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[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I reread.

Vote: No Hetero

dude is really scummy from connection and flips.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kanty, are you scum-reading Raz, or just not liking him? That's the subtext of your posts as of late and I would be curious as to know why you are feeling that way. You seemed to have left him out of your reads list for a reason, subconsciously or consciously. I have stated my town-read on Raz quiet a few times at this point and why I am feeling that.

 

[#HBC | J]

Circus kill was so weird. Seriously, one of the last people I expected to die last night. Just, I keep wondering the ulterior motive to wanting Circus dead.

Talk to me about Joey.

I am sick of people telling me I am **** at reading people. But here, what do you see here with Joey, I have a hard time seeing how far out he went to defend me as being scum driven.

I mean, I kind of went into detail in my big post.

[collapse=Joey Read]Joey, probably my biggest scum-read at this point and it is mainly for not a lot of reasons. I still detest his post on flip-flopping on KWK but that is all he has done this game and that was on D1 of the game. His vibes throughout the entire game has just not been here and I do not know for certain if he is just busy with life or that he is actively avoiding the thread which makes me want to think he is actually more likely to flip scum than not. The only time he has come into the thread on D2 would be at deadline and to vote BW at that which makes me believe that he has been reading the thread, but not commenting on things but saw an opportunity to try and gain some townie points by being on the BW lynch and being on the wagon. He has not come into this game at all yet and has not scum-hunted at all. That is a big problem for me, on D1 he was making a lot of hot air over KWK but that was just to net his lynch it seemed instead of actually trying to give Kanty a fair chance into the game and just looking to gain some early cred for "looking like he was doing work". It is something that I am remembering is more like scumJoey than that of TownJoey that asks questions and looks for scum rather than just fade out and not do anything and flip-flop on reads so harshly just to vote them for a lynch without providing any other reads. I have no idea where this slot stands and I also had no idea that he was feeling a BW lynch. I would say Joey is my highest priority to push right now and would love to see his lynch occur out of the lot. There is also a scum-read that I am trying to feel out for more here and that would be his vote on Gorf and his dislike for the slot. I do not know where this came from or where exactly he was going with this. Just a lot of weird plays coming from Joey and I do not like it at all.[/collapse]

When talking about Gorf, for me, he is a null-read after BW flipping scum, but their connection is a weird one. It doesn't make sense considering how they talked to each other in the thread, but Gorf's actions alone could be that of a scummy rather than a townie. It is really reliant on how you are looking at his actions. I do not see much to make him a "strong" scum-read, but there is no reason to think of him as a "strong" town-read since a lot of his actions are null.

 

[#HBC | J]

For me, I am seriously just waiting on NH and Joey to get in here and do things that have been asked and requested of them.

People who have me as null need to ask me questions if they want to develop their read on me better. Single one-on-one interactions will help not only them, but also help me determine my own reads better.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ugh, Joey is V/LA from now till Sunday, comes back Monday for one day, then disappears till like next next week? I will not be able to get anything done at all on this slot in terms of wanting more besides talking to others about it. At this point in time, I have to wait for him "maybe" coming back from V/LA because his previous post was incredibly empty and just him saying "I'll be back later to actually post things" so I'm very poker face at this junction.

I'm going to join the No Hetero wagon to give it more steam and urgency that they need to spill what they find "interesting" (nabe) or what they want to "hardbody" (marshy).

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Vote: No Hetero

I want Gorf's opinion on the debate on who should be lynched toDay. @ #HBC | Gorf Talk about your scum-reads, even if you aren't going to read. Do you think NH deserves the noose the most?

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

@J

Dietz has been doing all posting so far. It was planned to be this way. We're mainly doing this hydra thing because Dietz wanted somebody to talk privately to to help him flesh out his reads. We've agreed that I'd be doing no posting which is fine with me because I don't actually like playing as hydra outside of IR. I'm only posting this because I see you secifically asked for my input but I'll disappear into the background after this post and will let Dietz do the posting again.

Most importantly I agree with your notion from Day 1 that this game will likely come down to a PoE situation where you try to choke town reads out of people to minimize the lynch pool. That's why I was actually somewhat relieved to see Circus get killed because he likely would've sticked in that pool for a while. The two slots - apart from ourselves - that are on the safe side would be Kantrip [based on Badwolf's post #205] and Fanny [based on pointing out 205 in post #606]. I don't think your stance on Badwolf yesterDay was necessarily scummy, I am OK with your push on Joey and I've found myself agreeing with you a lot in this game so I think it's gonna be OK for you to stay for a while. That leaves two people out of Gorf, Joey, Raz, NH and Ryu as the remaining mafiosi. I haven't seen anything specific that would point out NH as particularly suspect but I haven't really been reading him that carefully either. Any particular post or sequence of posts that stand out?
For now I am OK with any of the 5 people I have mentioned to be pushed because finding two scumbags out of a pool of 5 people that have a realistic chance to be mafia are damn good odds and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't continue with the PoE game we've been playing so far. Pushing any of the 5 people is fine with me right now but based on post #205 we've agreed that it's OK to push Gorf. Starting to have my doubts about it already though and will discuss it with Dietz again.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Gheb_01
@ Blindfolded Philosophers

The thing about No Hetero is that there are no "posts" besides him just being in the background and pushing things. The most notable things he has done is just been the needler to others votes or coming in at deadline to be on the lynches.

Also, are you the reason why Ditzy completely dropped my slot from existence in terms of reads/pressure after being frothing at the mouth for me?

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

(back to the Dietz life)

I feel like you're giving BW too much credit here, BP.

There were several slots that he ignored entirely, and given that Gorf tends to be HELLA ABRASIVE, and BW has a tendency to get verbally crapped on, some of those comments seem exactly what I'd expect.

I will, however, re-read with that in mind, when I get a chance.

Ayy BP I like the effort n all but Raz has it on the money. I tend not to be the nicest guy to people I scum read (read: every game I've played like ever), and it's not damning that BWolf was targeting my slot the way he did. That sure makes him scummy, but that alone is like saying that scum will usually make direct statements about their partner. Why was he scared about putting a vote on me? Cuz he was scum. "Cuz I'm his mate" is not an answer to this question. Plus, since you read back, look at the timeline. It's just... I mean there's really nothing I can defend cuz you're damning me for badwolfs actions, which I can't control.

Honestly both of those points are totally fair, we know we're examining Badwolf's play and not so much yours so we don't really expect you to have any sort of direct defense (I'd be kind of worried if you tried). But since I had some observations to make we decided it was worth bringing up for other people to give opinions on, and we seem to have gotten some responses to work with which is great. Gheb was especially interested in giving Circus and Joey something solid to give their opinion on, and though Circus died, my hyper-skim sees Joey gave his opinion which is good to have. This game has gone so reasonably on course it's been hard to bring anything new to the table. We know how Badwolf can get, but he didn't really do a whole lot else barring I missed a big post from him.

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[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Lol, also this is still Dietz, but yes to that last post @J. He basically told me "forget it" after your first response.

Same goes for when the time came to actually lynch I'm afraid. Gheb gave me a "can die" and "can live" list, and Badwolf was on the "can live" and Frito (ryu) was on the "can die", No Hetero was neutral, so when someone came in and asked "Can we get No Hetero" I just said no. If it had really been a no-lynch scenario I'd have lynched NH, but at the time I went to bed it seemed like Frito lynch was still completely on the table.

I'd like to note though that we both really enjoyed Fandangox's observation on Badwolf when it came, and for a while I was actually on board with the idea Badwolf could go. I started to doubt myself though when there was that potential misunderstanding about what Badwolf meant when he said "being creative", because I did remember the time that KWK dismissed the fake Raz pressure that way and Badwolf voiced dislike of it. I started to think I could actually see where he was coming from and that he was just being Badwolf, so I realigned my read to be in line with Gheb's, which had been okay with Badwolf since much earlier. I'm glad when everything was said and done Badwolf went through though, because there's a good chance we would have got baited into defending him at some point to push a different read.

 

[#HBC | J]

Could you update who you feel should be lynched toDay since you seemed to have dropped Gorf for now?

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Yeah, but I personally am gonna have to either re-read what happened after I left at deadline or hear some more about why people seem to be putting Ryu down as town now.

I could see a NH/Joey/Ryu lynch all going down today barring I see what other people claim to be seeing on RyuTown.

 

[#HBC | J]

The fact of the matter is, how can you have Ruy as scum? It makes no sense with his play.

I am starting to play around with a NH+Gorf scum-team after re-reading D1. The only thing is BW does not fit with Gorf. Puzzles are hard.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Huh, why? There's no obvious villain in the room but I haven't heard a good concrete reason he's definitely town over just another slot in the PoE pool. Is there any specific couple of posts that makes you feel him hard town? (like I said, I need to read him again, but this can expedite it)

Why not BW/Ryu/NH or BW/Joey/NH?

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I'mma go take a shower and when I come back I'll look more in depth at those three in particular. Then I can probably get a final verdict of who I want most and whether Ryu is okay.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

EBWOP: Lies, league calls XD. Sometime today though.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ugh, Joey is V/LA from now till Sunday, comes back Monday for one day, then disappears till like next next week? I will not be able to get anything done at all on this slot in terms of wanting more besides talking to others about it. At this point in time, I have to wait for him "maybe" coming back from V/LA because his previous post was incredibly empty and just him saying "I'll be back later to actually post things" so I'm very poker face at this junction.

I'm going to join the No Hetero wagon to give it more steam and urgency that they need to spill what they find "interesting" (nabe) or what they want to "hardbody" (marshy).
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Vote: No Hetero

I want Gorf's opinion on the debate on who should be lynched toDay. @ #HBC | Gorf Talk about your scum-reads, even if you aren't going to read. Do you think NH deserves the noose the most?

No official comment until I reread (I will today I DEFINITELY have the time) but basically I don't know what direction(s) I am going to pursue of either you, Joey, or NH. I'll be surprised if I find myself disliking anybody else.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I can't disagree with this guy!

Vote: Raziek

This quote is from page 3, at a point where RVS has clearly been established as in the past. Joey not having any actual input but feeling the urge to post worries me. At around this point in time over at FFTA he was absolutely able to put his head somewhere and voice an opinion on SOMETHING (the going on and on about mechanics, that is) without any previous nudge. It's excusable for only a small frame of time to post nothing but RVS nonsense.

J I'll stay up for you! <3

I do like KWK so far, and it's partially because they are just hilarious.

More when I'm not on mobile.

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Here he goes again!

Okay I'm caught up. Uhm, nothing much really to say. I would say out of those being pressured at the moment, Fanny has the biggest reason to be pushed.

The reason I say the Fanny push is more credible rather than the Raz push (which has the votes) is because although Raz is being hypocritical and kind of bland in his questions, I find it unfair to really judge him based on that because Philo pretty much put him into that corner. *His Gorf vote is the thing I dislike the most from him, however* Fanny, however, is truly interesting in his approach to the wagons and also his reasoning for going along with them. He hasn't even responded to KWK yet, but instead question the slot about a post which was pretty self-explanatory on what it means.

The Gorf push is exactly how KWK worded it and that would be that it is boring. There is nothing scummy about what he has done thus far and truly null in my book. Because of this my read on Bardull is "confused" because I do not know what to make of his nit-picky push of him especially since he has said now that Gorf has a 90% chance of being town and just being snarky (Gorf wasn't even snarky btw.). So I really am curious to see what Bardull does next because I will be watching him more closely this Day-phase.

Oh, before I completely forget, that Frito push on me seemed to garner conversation so that's good, but I agree with the consensus that they need to calm down. Since the questions they have asked don't really pertain to much now especially since I have come in pretty late, I am going to refrain from befuddling the thread with the trivial nature of the questions. I will say this though: I view on my phone a lot and it doesn't remove me from the "viewing" when I close my phone unless I close the browser so I tend to "lurk" a lot so I'll own up to that.

Otherwise, that's my thoughts at the current time. Nothing substantial but I have a feeling this game is going to be a lot of fun with the cast.

This is a summary of J's thoughts entering the thread, and I gotta say that even though the last two paragraphs feel stretched and overexerted, the first two read as a player looking at all angles and trying to assess a read from the thread in entirety. Cool posting, let's hope it's not just clever positioning of himself in thread.

Obtw at this point I highly doubt I'm going to find something that's going to make me open my horizons from J/Joey/NH, so don't be stunned if I end up saying nothing about any of the other slots.

I'll take back what I said about liking KWK. Both of their pushes have been very weak, and I don't see a legitimate reason why anyone would be on either of those wagons. They both seem way too opportunistic, and it looks like the KWK slot in general is just going for whatever they can point out at the time.

Vote: KWK

I'll just focus on the Dango one since you're not waiting for a response from him as much.

You call out Raziek for acting like a hypocrite. You do not question him about anything specifically in your post.

Look at the focus in Dango's post. Is he focused on Raziek being a hypocrite? No! He's questioning something different and going after a completely different thing. It's not like he ignored it, either. Dango had no posts between Raziek's pawn vote and your post. You're basically assuming that he wouldn't have questioned Raziek if you wouldn't have called him out. Is this true? I don't know! Neither do you! This is literally the definition of reaching! You're only putting pressure on him because he said the words "Yeah Raziek."

Dango's response to Gordito is another thing you're pressing him for. Really? This is Dango's third post in the game. His first post in the game was showing concern towards Bardull's post (although it got ignored generally). You attack him for not questioning it earlier, but he already showed concern. You're attacking him for not putting his concern into a question until he was asked for thoughts on Bardull's thoughts specifically. I don't see why this action of his is scummy in the slightest, especially when you consider the amount of posts he has between the first time he showed concern and this one.

Last thing, you calling anything that he has done "rolefishing" is really reaching. You're pushing him under a presumed fact that Bardull's post has everything to do with his role. How would Dango know that it has something to do with Bardull's role? None of us do! As a less experienced player, Dango questioning and showing concern for a post like that should be standard, not thrown under the rolefishing category. Making these things seem this severe on top of the "I've never seen this type of play from you" meta stuff that he can't defend against makes it seem like you're just trying to pressure him into a hole that he can't squirm out of.

I have to go. TL;DR: Your Dango push is a bunch of reaching bull**** and it looks like you're trying to make Dango dig himself into a deeper hole. I don't like it.

This ****ing REEKS of looking for an opportunity to posture himself in thread. He's got one focus in this post and it's reaching even harder than KWK's push on fandango is claimed to be. It's entirely surface based and easy as **** to use as a stance. It's ALMOST as easy as it was for badwolf to cling onto me or early Day frito. Let's see if he has any other words of wisdom to share in thread.

Was gonna post but I need reaction gifs to Joey 180 and Bardull so until then just say I am more confused.

If he's talking about being confused by joeys 180 I think it'd be fair to say Joeyscum =/= Jscum.

@ Dooms

I wouldn't say I am going to argue on it. I just find you beating down on KWK for...not the best of reasons. You say his push is reachy: Well yeah, welcome to D1, I'll be your host, J. What D1 push isn't reachy in some aspect especially when there are truly only about 3 1/2 pages of content thus far. Plus you failed to have shown a dislike of me for sharing a similar train of thought regarding Fanny. Why was I left out of the equation if you dislike KWK? Basically, for me, your flip on KWK came out of nowhere from liking him (albeit for a silly reason) to hating the slot with such venemousity to present a case on him on pg. 4.

You just make me tap my foot, at the moment, Joey. You are not being fair in your case to KWK and I don't see why. It's very one-sided and biased as hell.



I don't know how but I somehow read "prick" as "town". Welp gg, please report. Anyways, so you are still pushing Gorf then? I would say that it still contrives an odd look from me because you have played with Gorf and you have seen him play this type of game before. However, you are really kind of reaching to call his play snarky. I mean, that's just Gorf. It's like trying to point out Marshy for being all swag or Gheb for being all salt. It just is like "welp". What I've yet to see from you is why Gorf is scummy. Nothing about his tone reaches me as scummy and nothing of his play thus far does that either. If you want me to seriously consider Gorf you have to bring up valid concern against him rather than these blight statements. You say "us vets are protecting", but I have to say we aren't really protecting, moreso just not going for faulty logic. Especially with my personal experience with Gorf, scum-reading him so quickly and brashly is haphazard. *shrug* I just do not agree to your push at the time because the logic behind it has no true ground to stand on.

Fantastic. I want Joey dead before J.

I'll plant my vote here for now. I'd continue but I'm on the train and I REALLY have to pee. Like holy ****.

vote masquerain

 

[No Hetero]

you, nabe, were the one making cases and **** on ruy

and you stressed your scumread on him

what about his play caused the 180?

specifically

I was already feeling softer on Ryu than I was letting on, because like I said he wasn't getting shaken by our push, and then at deadline Raz tried to get Ryu to vote NH:

Right now?

Sorry not gonna dig it with NH, not today at least. I might be wrong but I think he's just reading me wrong ATM.

I's rather lynch Badwolf.

If Ryu were scum, not joining the NH wagon doesn't make sense. He could have turned the lynch onto us here at crunch time and blamed Raz on town flip. So this post was a slap in the face -- Ryu's not playing maliciously, he really is a semi-inactive with a bad read on Circus.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hey so how about you guys start ****ting on players who deserve to be **** on?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@j I want you to talk to me about how Joey went out of his way to white knight me on D2 with his back and forth with Hetero and Gorf.

I get the 180 looks scummy but him doing that and pushing Badwolf over me, when I was an easier wagon, doesn't make me think he is aligned.

He could have easily bussed but I don't see that as easily. His D2 play is better than his D1 heck he came in with a large analysis post on D2 do you not like that?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I was already feeling softer on Ryu than I was letting on, because like I said he wasn't getting shaken by our push, and then at deadline Raz tried to get Ryu to vote NH:

If Ryu were scum, not joining the NH wagon doesn't make sense. He could have turned the lynch onto us here at crunch time and blamed Raz on town flip. So this post was a slap in the face -- Ryu's not playing maliciously, he really is a semi-inactive with a bad read on Circus.

Who is scum?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@j I want you to talk to me about how Joey went out of his way to white knight me on D2 with his back and forth with Hetero and Gorf.

I get the 180 looks scummy but him doing that and pushing Badwolf over me, when I was an easier wagon, doesn't make me think he is aligned.

He could have easily bussed but I don't see that as easily. His D2 play is better than his D1 heck he came in with a large analysis post on D2 do you not like that?

Who Joey? I was his main push with that iirc, along with No Hetero. Did he even like remotely voice suspicion of badwolf before the deadline approached?

 

[Dooms]

VT. Yukon territory.

Just incase I'm lynched before Monday.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Who Joey? I was his main push with that iirc, along with No Hetero. Did he even like remotely voice suspicion of badwolf before the deadline approached?

I'll give you that, and it is what is making me ask people about this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

VT. Yukon territory.

Just incase I'm lynched before Monday.

wish you didn't claim.

 

[Fandangox]

Head's up, I wrote this during the night-time, before Circus' flip/etc.

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So I am writing this post during the Night Phase of the game because I am bored and I cannot sleep so let me just flesh some things out because I was wrong on BW and that does perplex me. I think my problem was I was giving way too much credit to his genuineness and by reading his early play as genuine I put that read on auto-pilot and continued to just think as such throughout the rest of the game without truly reading his posts. It's a problem I have with town-reads most of the time because I turn them on mute unless they become a part of a debate with a scum-read of mine. Kind of glad I was not here around the BW lynch because I honestly would have tried to cockblock it and that would have been a misfortunate misplay on my part. This game is just going incredibly fast and it's weird because I keep thinking I have more time to read, but by the time I get in a lynch has already occurred.

This is mostly highly emotional content, which by itself is not a bad thing, but you are not explaining what specifically about Badwolf's play you liked, which I already asked you twice about. What about his push made it look so genuine to you? What do you think of the way he treated Gorf and KWK?

Joey, probably my biggest scum-read at this point and it is mainly for not a lot of reasons. I still detest his post on flip-flopping on KWK but that is all he has done this game and that was on D1 of the game. His vibes throughout the entire game has just not been here and I do not know for certain if he is just busy with life or that he is actively avoiding the thread which makes me want to think he is actually more likely to flip scum than not. The only time he has come into the thread on D2 would be at deadline and to vote BW at that which makes me believe that he has been reading the thread, but not commenting on things but saw an opportunity to try and gain some townie points by being on the BW lynch and being on the wagon. He has not come into this game at all yet and has not scum-hunted at all. That is a big problem for me, on D1 he was making a lot of hot air over KWK but that was just to net his lynch it seemed instead of actually trying to give Kanty a fair chance into the game and just looking to gain some early cred for "looking like he was doing work". It is something that I am remembering is more like scumJoey than that of TownJoey that asks questions and looks for scum rather than just fade out and not do anything and flip-flop on reads so harshly just to vote them for a lynch without providing any other reads. I have no idea where this slot stands and I also had no idea that he was feeling a BW lynch. I would say Joey is my highest priority to push right now and would love to see his lynch occur out of the lot. There is also a scum-read that I am trying to feel out for more here and that would be his vote on Gorf and his dislike for the slot. I do not know where this came from or where exactly he was going with this. Just a lot of weird plays coming from Joey and I do not like it at all.

I agree with most of this though, the way he was absent through most of D2 and the fact the most significant post I remember from that slot on D2 was his very late BW post doesn't make him look good to me. I however realize that people are indeed busy and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and I don't want to make him a policy lynch, but I wouldn't want him in endgame, so he needs to get on posting.

Not feeling it after another day on the farm but a couple quick hits.

We have Ryu down as town now, for me on play but for Marsh by the Circus kill which he thinks doesn't make sense from Ryu. I think Ryu responded well to what was laid down on three fronts, and while (again) he didn't push Circus or make any push at all, which still irks me, he was at least vocal and consistent about the read despite it being called trash across the board.

I agree on Scum Ryu night killing Circus doesn't make sense, but this is at the start of D3. I want to know what made you change your mind and vote Bwolf so late when it seemed that you were already okay with a badwolf lynch earlier than that yet you didn't vote him.

 

[No Hetero]

(I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH GORF ATM CAUSE HIS D2 HAS GOTTEN BETTER I HAVE A NULL-TOWN READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD)

(I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH KANT ATM CAUSE HIS D2 HAS GOTTEN BETTER I HAVE A NULL READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD)

I thought it was important that Badwolf phrased both of these defensive lines the same way while he was talking up his reads. It's like he was trying to frame them as if they were equally important or valid reads to him. Then there's this EBWOP:

**** that copy past and forgetting to edit

(I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH KANT ATM CAUSE HIS D2 HAS GOTTEN BETTER I HAVE A NULL READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD)

that part should read
(I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH KANT ATM I HAVE A NULL READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD)

Here he reveals that he really did copy and paste this line, which got me thinking on possible BW/Potassium. Then there's this in BW's first post of D1:

@ #HBC | Gorf Are you in a neighborhood with KWK?

I can't see anything that would have prompted asking this. So from the start BW makes an association between Gorf and KWK that doesn't make sense in any thread context, and he makes a different soft association at the end. Weird.

But then Marshy bit into it over the Night, and things got crazy. It turns out that Badwolf's posts are full of comparisons between Gorf and KWK/Potato, and EVERY post he made mentions Potato.

As of that post my thoughts are that if KWK is scum Gorf is cool, but if Gorf is scum I'm down with pushing Frito.

kwkscum means gorftown. gorfscum means fritoscum. both straight-up bull**** and the first is to tie slots together

This is kinda funny IMO, J is calling Gorf town for meta, but then calling KWK scum for using meta? Bad play. Null on J cause earlier posts were goodish.

bwolf forces this comparison to make gorf and kwk equal. and bonus

@BadWolf28738: I am not calling KWK scum. Plus I haven't even called Gorf town.

THE CALLOUT
bwolf is whiteknighting kantplay against LITERALLY NOTHING and making **** up to tie kant to obvtown gorf

list that matters to me:

Soup/BD - Towny (but that doesn't really matter)
KWK/Kant - null-meh
Circus - Cool town
J - Null town
Gorf - scummy (I've had points before, I'm not going to dredge them up atm)

bwolfs vote is on kwk here but now kwks null and gorf is the scumread

I've already hitched to KWK.... although I do agree that's probably not going to happen.

I'd rather not lynch the basically confirmed cop, so let's go with this:

Vote Pawn

talking up his kwk vote and scumread again even though he called him null. and bonus

Vote pawn

im down with this too

kantplay is the next post

d2

Gorf's been better this day. I'm good with calling him a nulltown at this point. Very slight tho.

The reasoning behind the KWK push was that he was:
1. Reaching his *** off. I explained this in my wall.
2. Bad reasoning
3. Subsequent blaming of bad reasoning on "being creative"
4. Wagon crasher
5. Really bad points.

gorf is nulltown now. makes sure to DEFEND his kwk scumread AND THEN

Oh I forgot this,

Vote: Frito

Slot's dead in every way but being dead.... Didn't really care for his D1 at all.

(If you want other reasons look at my D1, I have it spelled out there a couple of times.)

next post he ignores kwk to vote FRITO

Also since this is basically useless where it is.

Unvote

unvotes TEN POSTS LATER. reason given

Well since you idiots ruined the idea that it wasn't a serious vote, I thought there was no point to leaving it on him. IMO it wasn't worth trying to save the push. Was kinda a afterthought anyway :/

bwolfs literally using the frito vote to drop his kwk read
kantplay votes for badwolf at this point AND THEN

I love you and I hate you. Why pray tell are you voting me?

bwolfs garbageass response to kantplays vote. bwolf makes just this one post and ignores EVERY OTHER PLAYER talking about him

why do love and hate even play into this? what makes you love/hate me?

i already said why im voting you

youre ****ing scum

also good gorf that post was awkward from you

work on sounding more natural when you roll scum

kantplay going for the hard bus to distance from bwolf falling to pieces


so check it. strong possibility kantplay is bwolfs partner. feel out kantplays posts for the other side if you want but i promise this is what NEEDS to happen d3



So I did check out Potato. Surprisingly, Joey shows up as a potential third.

"Yeah! A HYPOCRITE! And he IGNORED me!"

Vote: Raziek

I can't disagree with this guy!

Vote: Raziek

Jumping to KWK's wagon, not too bad in D1.

J I'll stay up for you! <3

I do like KWK so far, and it's partially because they are just hilarious.

More when I'm not on mobile.

Unvote

Joey lets go of the shared Raz vote, and

On re-reading KWK's Raziek push, I'll say I don't like it, but I'll let Raziek respond to it first.

starts distancing from the wagon, then

I'll take back what I said about liking KWK. Both of their pushes have been very weak, and I don't see a legitimate reason why anyone would be on either of those wagons. They both seem way too opportunistic, and it looks like the KWK slot in general is just going for whatever they can point out at the time.

Vote: KWK

I'll just focus on the Dango one since you're not waiting for a response from him as much.

You call out Raziek for acting like a hypocrite. You do not question him about anything specifically in your post.

Look at the focus in Dango's post. Is he focused on Raziek being a hypocrite? No! He's questioning something different and going after a completely different thing. It's not like he ignored it, either. Dango had no posts between Raziek's pawn vote and your post. You're basically assuming that he wouldn't have questioned Raziek if you wouldn't have called him out. Is this true? I don't know! Neither do you! This is literally the definition of reaching! You're only putting pressure on him because he said the words "Yeah Raziek."

Dango's response to Gordito is another thing you're pressing him for. Really? This is Dango's third post in the game. His first post in the game was showing concern towards Bardull's post (although it got ignored generally). You attack him for not questioning it earlier, but he already showed concern. You're attacking him for not putting his concern into a question until he was asked for thoughts on Bardull's thoughts specifically. I don't see why this action of his is scummy in the slightest, especially when you consider the amount of posts he has between the first time he showed concern and this one.

Last thing, you calling anything that he has done "rolefishing" is really reaching. You're pushing him under a presumed fact that Bardull's post has everything to do with his role. How would Dango know that it has something to do with Bardull's role? None of us do! As a less experienced player, Dango questioning and showing concern for a post like that should be standard, not thrown under the rolefishing category. Making these things seem this severe on top of the "I've never seen this type of play from you" meta stuff that he can't defend against makes it seem like you're just trying to pressure him into a hole that he can't squirm out of.

I have to go. TL;DR: Your Dango push is a bunch of reaching bull**** and it looks like you're trying to make Dango dig himself into a deeper hole. I don't like it.

Joey makes a sudden and violent 180 to vote KWK.

"Alright guys, it's time to get creative! This means you too, Joey."

"Yeah, J-joey."

"Take a look at my Raziek push! And tell me please, what do you see?"

"It's just a boring old Raziek push!"

"Maybe for you, but not for me! I see a silly joke, some random vote pressure in the early game!"

"That sounds really boring."

"Because you're not thinking creatively! It was RVS!"

"Then WHY didn't we switch our vote to FANNY? I thought Raz was being a HYPOCRITE!"

"Not really. We were reaching our point to justify the vote!"

"That... scummy."

"You need to be creative! All we could have done is generate discussion with such a vote! And we didn't switch to Fanny because we wanted to see what Raziek would say when we asked him if we should switch our vote to Fanny! His answer there could have been really telling if he were actually playing the game instead of milling about by himself!"

"Wait, so RAZIEK isn't SCUM?"

"He might be, but not off our reasoning! We weren't trying to make a case, we were trying to feel him out! He wasn't very cooperative though, so we're still at square one and Joey went and defended him before he could even respond."

"HOW RUDE! Joey MUST be SCUM!"

"I think he's just boring. Won't let us have any fun."

KWK tapers off of Raz as well, and creates more room between him and Joey.

I don't see any reason for a scum Joey to do an 180 as fast as he did, as he would probably be fearful of being looked at funny for it. I see scum Joey just letting a read be for a bit after vocalizing it, not immediately flipping it around into a mini-case on the player he said he was fine with.

Joey town

KWK very quickly justifies Joey's behaviour, and very strongly holds to the position that Joey is town for doing what he did.

So is this a meta reason for Joey town or legit that you do not see him as scum for pulling a 180? This is a very sticky reason for what seems to be a stronger read on Joey so early.

Not meta related at all, except I guess that if he were a "strong" player who liked to take risks it may be more of a null tell.

Just the fact that I don't see any scum player flipping a stance so fast like that.

Then I will disagree with you on that point. Nothing more to really comment on that from my side, but I do not agree that it gives Joey any more "town" points then it would "scum" points.

Why would a scum player call someone town and then turn around a make a case on them?

Assuming scum players fake their reads, why would they put themselves at risk of being looked at funny for flip-flopping one around so quickly. If anything, they'd wait if they decided they want to pressure the slot they just called town.

I can honestly think of multiple occassions where I have "personally" done this as scum. That's just using my own self-meta and experience. I may just be that type of player though since I am very risky/ballsy as scum.

It may be WIFOM, but it's an action town could take instinctively, while scum would have to do it knowingly. I don't see Joey thinking of doing something like that. Call it WIFOM, but that's how I see it

No, it's still definitely WIFOM. No matter how you see it or call it haha.

Meanwhile Joey is going hard on KWK.

Okay. Explain it to me. I don't get why I should be accusing you of crap like KWK's 121 when you have posted so little about it.

But what does Badwolf think about all of this?

KWK's 95 is bad. He points a finger at Raz for a nonexistent point. Bad play.

Then gets Joey to follow him. Ugh the blind sheeping this game is going to be fun to wade through.

He calls Joey a sheep, but

I'm good with this actually. I've not been happy with either of them, but I really don't like KWK's posting style and his reaches are just wayyyyy out of hand sometimes.

he doesn't acknowledge the 180, focusing on KWK.

Pre-claim with no explanation:

Vote: Bardull

L-2

Post-claim with "explanation":

god ****ing dammit you weren't supposed to claim

my vote was useless sitting on my rvs target and I've liked fanny recently more and I haven't been keeping up too well so I thought "hey I'll just help the pressure, I mean he is grimier than Gorf as far as their interaction goes and he tends to flail and reveal his alignment in times like this"

He sure is upset about this claim. But then this:

I'm pretty sure he's town

(anyone feel free to CC)

Bardull was bad town, soup is good town, slot is town town. Whoever is still questioning the slot should back off, we're not lynching our cop.

Joey still town

Right, because you're going to shoot him.

little thing @ the bolded: that he's the cop, if that is indeed the case, is irrelevant at this point. Scum is either going to kill him toNight or roleblock him into oblivion. No one should care whether or not we're lynching out cop at this point. We should just care about whether or not we're lynching a townie.

it's not irrelevant to the fact that him being our cop contributes to why we're not lynching him

sure he won't get to use his cop powers, but we're still not lynching our cop

"He's the cop! I'm not letting you bloodthirsty people lynch our cop!"

only insofar as him being our cop would also mean he's town. Saying "we're not lynching our cop" implies that we have a vested interest in saving the role for its ability. "We're not lynching bardull's slot because I think he told the truth about being the cop and is therefor town" would be the real argument for keeping him.

you're reading farther into it than I intended to convey with my message

I just meant we're not lynching our cop as in Bardull is our cop, and we're not lynching him. Not "we're not lynching him BECAUSE he's our cop."

we're not lynching him because he's town

he also happens to be our cop

ergo, we're not lynching our cop

anyways this is irrelevant so i shall stop

Potassium the townie drawing a hard line in the sand. "He IS the cop but what I actually mean is that I have a townread not that I know he's the cop because I'm scum or anything and I'm certainly not avoiding the lynch now since I know I'll shoot him tonight and can score a different ML without making myself visible!"


D2:

The only thing I disliked about Kantrip's slot was the Fanny push. After Kantrip went into it again when he replaced KWK, the scum read I had on the slot went away pretty much. Soup's 312 and 313 actually contributed a lot to my read on Kantrip as well. I read over those two posts and I pretty much agreed with Soup at that point. Feeling more townie about the slot as a whole now.

Joey's scumread on KVK vanished into the ether, and this post contains reads on every player except for Badwolf. Joey then goes on in many posts following to argue a lot about Raz being town with his scumread Gorf.

from what ive seen fanny has gotten better

bwolf confuses me and his sentence where he justifies his case on me and then goes all "why you agreeing with bad points kantrip" is grimy

can someone give me the low-down on why frito? is he playing bad or have people caught him in lies? people who are saying that when i had to prod him to say if he bought into his case or not is a point against him, it's not.

Vote: Badwolf

Here's where Potato starts the bus on Badwolf -- this is after the post where Badwolf was defending his KWK scumread and the vote/unvote on Frito.

and by badwolf confuses me i mean badwolf is ****ing scum

Best to leave no room for doubt.

i'll honestly truly try to read the thread this weekend if i find time but i'll be doing a lot of drinking

brewtassium incoming

Hops out of the thread with an excuse to sit on Badwolf while making occasional posts from the sidelines.

vote badwolf

"but before I go guys I really want to make sure you notice that I want badwolf dead"

I love you and I hate you. Why pray tell are you voting me?

why do love and hate even play into this? what makes you love/hate me?

i already said why im voting you

youre ****ing scum

also good gorf that post was awkward from you

work on sounding more natural when you roll scum

"please die stop talking please die
hey I have a surprising amount of time to talk about badwolf after all"

@ Blindfolded Philosophers

dost thou seest badwolf for the scoundrel he is?

Methinks thou hast gotten me mixed up with the Un-Hetero then

No more stalling, elaborate on those reads. It's important because you haven't said jack **** yet Today and now you're putting a vote down on one over the other, in the direction I don't agree with, is that clear?

its cuz dat statue is so sexy i think its just a statue of no hetero

thoust hot

ill elaborate later im going out

maybe brewtassium will grace the thread later

Going for the town points. DENIED.

wow J y u white knight brah

bwolf scummeh still

but its sexy that he likes my personality

sorry bro but im taken

sorry bro but its hardbus time

yep we defs got a bwolf lynch

so you were scum right badscum?

notice me town, notice me




Vote: Potassium

Answers to other people tonight.

 

[Raziek]

I was already feeling softer on Ryu than I was letting on, because like I said he wasn't getting shaken by our push, and then at deadline Raz tried to get Ryu to vote NH:

If Ryu were scum, not joining the NH wagon doesn't make sense. He could have turned the lynch onto us here at crunch time and blamed Raz on town flip. So this post was a slap in the face -- Ryu's not playing maliciously, he really is a semi-inactive with a bad read on Circus.

This is actually a reeeeally good post.

I'm going to try to get a re-read in today. Skimmed the NH post that just appeared, actually looks like a fairly promising angle.

 

[#HBC | J]

My interest is piqued.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

that's somethin I can get behind

but check it. it's time for bard to get ****ed right out of here

vote bard

original #hbc in the house baybey
don't let me down j. there's sex in it for you or something

This was what I interpret as the first stream of content from this slot. Nothing too far fetched, but it is shallow, can't let it go unsaid.

holy **** where are the votes

And this

J-off has voiced my exact question, Brett Hull. You strongly suggested a scumread there, honey butt. And we're only one slot (omg that's a dirty term) so I'm not sure why you're trying to make us wear two hats. Put your tongue to good use by taking a stance rather than sticking it in my ear while "whispering" that you're a PR.

The original hardbody is here and it's rubbin' up on you, so you best get your spurs in!

And this

why mention it? #hbc please


yo this is why you dont do footwork. putting it out is an opening to get **** on with twisted wording when bardscum is obvscum anyway. try something like this

#hbc where you at, that man needs votes
vote bard **** ain't hard just hardbody

And this

yo circus i admire what youre doing and also your butt but strongly consider just ****ing bard right out of here


theres a joke somewhere in there that wont come together but focus appropriately on the part where you vote bard

And this

@marshy and @Nabe I know you're both not keen on putting cards on the table but this is ridiculous. There is no scum hunting going on. At all. No feeling slots out. No direction. No drive. Nothing.

Gord simply didn't do anything wrong. Like, none of his play has been scummy at all. I don't see how anyone could scum read him right now.

Here's to hoping that D2 post he made where he voted me is chick full of contradictions to his earlier feels about my slot.

are you ****ing kidding me of course theres no need to scramble. lynch soup, straight up. sucks that he replaced into a scum slot that had pretty much claimed scum
but that ***** is still scum

Oh and this too

Just finished D1. My vote is equally on No Hetero and Joey, I'll keep it on the latter for as long as the Day is still young and the former has votes n pressure.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ahh **** a wall.

This is actually a reeeeally good post.

I'm going to try to get a re-read in today. Skimmed the NH post that just appeared, actually looks like a fairly promising angle.

It's logic based. Sure it's good logic but assuming you were talking about a good post being a townie post... Why?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ahh **** if that wasn't as NASTY of a catch as it was I'd call bull****...

...

But damn.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gonna replace Gorf with Kantrip on my don't like list.

Gorf is either been stuck in a lazy tunnel most of the game or he is scum. The former being more likely.

I still hate his I was caught with Ruy post and only said GJ on lynching Badwolf after the fact. Same with Hetero.

Skimmed Hetero wall, it's something.

Joey does need to post some more substance, his day 2 play is still something I want J to talk to me about.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Watchu mean all I said was gj on lynching badwolf I was riding his ass hard, I just had tunnel vision (yes I admit that that's what happened) on your slot while it was happening.

 

[Kantrip]

Kanty, are you scum-reading Raz, or just not liking him? That's the subtext of your posts as of late and I would be curious as to know why you are feeling that way. You seemed to have left him out of your reads list for a reason, subconsciously or consciously. I have stated my town-read on Raz quiet a few times at this point and why I am feeling that.

im pretty null on him and expect to be because he's drilled into my head enough times that he doesn't really get into a game until D3 on average

i had a huge chunk of one of my posts dedicated to him and thought that implied that i was looking for answers from him to be able to read him. i have questions ive posed throughout the game and ive patiently waited until D3 for him to "start playing" so i can read him properly.

so no, im not scumreading him and you probably just noticed a hint of cynical impatience in my posts that looked like the toxicity that would lace my posts if i was speaking to a scumread

 

[Kantrip]

jesus christ that's a huge wall

badwolf's votes jumped everywhere because he was faking reads and was scum and all his unvotes made zero sense, it wasn't just his vote pattern on me. it was on gorf, frito, and literally everyone he voted

it's possible that he threw a scummate into his list of scummers, but if he did it was gorf

 

[Kantrip]

**** slots with thread presence

just cuz its a wall...

 

[Kantrip]

**** all that reaching

 

[Kantrip]

and omgus

and that slot in general

the answer for why nabe fell off scumreading ruy is not good enough.

"I was already starting to falter on it I was just pretending I still wanted him dead and I still said I was making a case on him"

that's bull ****

 

[Kantrip]

reading that wall and seeing how many of the points are

bad

bull****

reaching

misconstruing things

and confirmation bias

makes me physically angry

people please actually read the things he's saying and then look at what he's referring it to IN CONTEXT (yes i know thats a lot of work, and its work i dont want to do as much as you dont want to do it) and see that he's making **** up

NH can **** outta hear

Vote: No Hetero