Rake's Canadafia Over!! Nabe won through the power of Poutine

[#HBC | Gorf]

Lemme clarify:

This isn't right; I was fine with getting rid of Paw Paw, and didn't want to lynch Raz or Fanny.

You wanted Bardull significantly more than pawn, and conceded to his lynch because Bardull wasn't gonna happen. Correct?

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I hate everything about the way J is posturing coming into ToDay...

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Just... the way you play the victim over all this is just TUEUGUEGHHGHGHHh I hate it. Then coming in defending Fandangox, putting down half assed reads on Badwolf and Joey without elaborating and then getting at Raz for having the "gall" to ask you about them... I HATE IT.

I can't even believe you have the nerve to push No Hetero at the same time you're buddying Circus when Circus was, out of the two, the one who put it best why Soup/Bardull was in no way clear. Don't even come in here saying "it was obvious" he was clear, he so was not clear. Don't even. DONT EVEN. That Badwolf stance is probs legit but the way you go about outing it is SO WRONG. All these stances just hit me as blatantly wrong.

Cut that **** right the **** out.

#vent

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

So J's scum? If so do tell.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I am heavily considering it despite Gheb's advice to focus on Frito because his stuff is more concrete.
The way he treated Raz and steps in to set up other avenues just rubs me so incredibly wrong I personally can't stand it.

J why did you feel the need to say any of this stuff the way you did?

I don't want Joey to be scum. I really don't. But more and more of me wants to push that slot.

Plus I guess I am a bit resentful towards the Pawn lynch because it was extremely cop-outty (ignore the pun, I swear). We gain hardly anything and there were much more insightful lynches on players who were not "present" and who actually had posts that we could drive things from. Pawn was at best a little sheepy but mainly inactive. That's what his play normally is. However, it was a quicklynch due to "welp can't lynch the cop" and I can't complain much, but I just wish we had a better lynch.

You're quite clearly playing up the victim here, and for... what reason? If you want to push the slot tell us why, don't just sit and cry about it. And that deflection on the Pawn lynch being a bad one is just awful if you didn't have a better idea.

Wolfy is town. Explanation when prodded but strongest town-read at the moment.

Again, specify what you want. I am not going to go into a town-read unless you back-up why besides "I wanna see if you see what I see." because if it ends in "We both agree" or "we both disagree" it'll be not telling if we are both town-reading the slot. So do you find Wolfy scummy?

And then here you basically go "I have a town read, but if you ask why **** you."

*waves hands alluringly to a better response*

Tell me why.

While still being quite okay with asking Circus the exact same thing on his own Frito read? What?

@Raziek : I got it! I have figured out how I can help you. You have played the Phoenix Wright games correct? You basically "press" all the wrong points in a person's testimony but someone needs to be your "helper *a.k.a. Maya/Athena/Apollo/Mia/Phoenix* to help you get to the crucial bit of the testimony. I hope that helps you understand where I am coming from in explaining that. It makes your questions look fluffy and not relevant. Curreent example: You question my town-read on Wolfy. It pertains nothing to my scum-reads or your own: so why ask it? The tangent would not help town unless you believe a possible J+Wolfy scum-team and the conversation would be able to help you connect us stronger.

And then this.

Whatever, Razzy can be town for now. I honestly am having a hard time grasping him as scum with his emotions.

WHY

Why did you even feel the need to do this, do discredit his slot so badly and then just turn it all around and go "eh town I guess" when the intent to mud sling was quite clearly present. What on earth were you hoping to accomplish riling him and calling him bad just to write him off as "emotional", if not just to **** on the slot more completely? WTF

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I'm just getting the impression this was all done for some ulterior scum motive and I don't like feeling that way at all.

 

[#HBC | J]

I have never seen so many alerts on SWF due to quotes/likes. I'll be responding to things throughout the day. Most shocking is BP dropping their "shtick" to explode on a scumJ read.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gonna flurry post so people don't have to try and find their responses in a big post.

What do you guys make of his stance when it came around the time soup replaced in and eyes starting looking elsewhere for a flip? He was adamantly against switching to pawn, which for a scum No Hetero doesn't really click, for either Nabe OR Marshy. I feel like they'd be up and at hardbodying pawn right out of here... But they were ambivalent.

I didn't get the imperssion that they were "adamant" against pawn but moreso adamant against not letting the "replacement" go for the actions of the true player. I literally think they just came in and voted with a "'Kay" and that was that.

 

[#HBC | J]

You see something that makes him more likely scum?

With his play, it seems more not townJoey if that makes sense? His most notable thing was his flip from KWKtown to KWKscum and now he has disappeared. (maybe due to business however) It's a slot I would have investigated had I the cop role.

why buddy him?

It may seem irrelevant to buddy, but it's how I read Circus. Always have, and it also helps him read me. I don't see a reason to go more into this besides it's just a way I read Circus.

 

[#HBC | J]

What is this in reference to?

This is what I am talking about:

(not gonna put it in spoilers so more people can see if they have forgotten.)

I'll take back what I said about liking KWK. Both of their pushes have been very weak, and I don't see a legitimate reason why anyone would be on either of those wagons. They both seem way too opportunistic, and it looks like the KWK slot in general is just going for whatever they can point out at the time.

Vote: KWK

I'll just focus on the Dango one since you're not waiting for a response from him as much.

You call out Raziek for acting like a hypocrite. You do not question him about anything specifically in your post.

Look at the focus in Dango's post. Is he focused on Raziek being a hypocrite? No! He's questioning something different and going after a completely different thing. It's not like he ignored it, either. Dango had no posts between Raziek's pawn vote and your post. You're basically assuming that he wouldn't have questioned Raziek if you wouldn't have called him out. Is this true? I don't know! Neither do you! This is literally the definition of reaching! You're only putting pressure on him because he said the words "Yeah Raziek."

Dango's response to Gordito is another thing you're pressing him for. Really? This is Dango's third post in the game. His first post in the game was showing concern towards Bardull's post (although it got ignored generally). You attack him for not questioning it earlier, but he already showed concern. You're attacking him for not putting his concern into a question until he was asked for thoughts on Bardull's thoughts specifically. I don't see why this action of his is scummy in the slightest, especially when you consider the amount of posts he has between the first time he showed concern and this one.

Last thing, you calling anything that he has done "rolefishing" is really reaching. You're pushing him under a presumed fact that Bardull's post has everything to do with his role. How would Dango know that it has something to do with Bardull's role? None of us do! As a less experienced player, Dango questioning and showing concern for a post like that should be standard, not thrown under the rolefishing category. Making these things seem this severe on top of the "I've never seen this type of play from you" meta stuff that he can't defend against makes it seem like you're just trying to pressure him into a hole that he can't squirm out of.

I have to go. TL;DR: Your Dango push is a bunch of reaching bull**** and it looks like you're trying to make Dango dig himself into a deeper hole. I don't like it.

This was on pg. 4 of the game after claiming a town-read on KWK.

 

[#HBC | J]

I hate everything about the way J is posturing coming into ToDay...

The thing that is is missing here is "Why is posturing scummy?". I am not going to deny I am posturing because I am. I am trying to make myself easier to read for people and now that it is D2, I, as a player, can finally begin to do more work. I am also trying to posture myself into a position of discussion so that more information may come about and also to come into a position of power to drive a lynch if I so choose. If you do not want me in the position I am, you need to show where my logic is faulty and where I am being "bad" in my posturing.

Just... the way you play the victim over all this is just TUEUGUEGHHGHGHHh I hate it. Then coming in defending Fandangox, putting down half ***** reads on Badwolf and Joey without elaborating and then getting at Raz for having the "gall" to ask you about them... I HATE IT.

I can't even believe you have the nerve to push No Hetero at the same time you're buddying Circus when Circus was, out of the two, the one who put it best why Soup/Bardull was in no way clear. Don't even come in here saying "it was obvious" he was clear, he so was not clear. Don't even. DONT EVEN. That Badwolf stance is probs legit but the way you go about outing it is SO WRONG. All these stances just hit me as blatantly wrong.

Cut that **** right the **** out.

#vent

Ditzy, I have not even been playing the victim at all. I have nothing to victimize myself about because I have been a background player until now I hadn't done much of anything. I have not defended Fanny and I believe I have not even brought up his name this day-phase. Then we move onto my "half-ass" reads on Wolfy and Joey, yet that's because I have not begun to expound because during the time of those posts I was doing a re-read which I stated. Plus on Wolfy, there was no need to explaiin that read since it was a town-read and no one is pushing him. If there was a case on Wolfy or a push to lynch him, my read would have had more detail in it. Joey on the other hand is a questionable scum-lean. Not a full-hard scum-read. I do not have enough to push him because he hasn't even posted toDay yet. For Joey, I need more from him and I am going to be watching him. Also, I did not even act in a manner where I would say the word "gall" in turns to talking to Raz. I was prodding him for responses as to what he gained from asking for a town-read. In the end, he asked a better question which I responded in full detail as to why I am reading Wolfy.

Then you say I am pushing No Hetero? That isn't even true. I have been saying I have nothing to push No Hetero on because he has a way out to any push I were to commence at this point. That should read as I am rendering the slot as null. Circus is more of a town-lean and I will buddy him, but do not try to compare the two as if they are the same slots. Their play, respectively, is different.

You say all my stances are wrong, but you aren't even looking into my reasonings as to why I am saying what I saying, how I am doing what I am doing, and you do not even have any of your facts straight against me. You are blowing a lot of hot air of hate towards me, but it isn't doing much in terms of convincing me you are of sound mind to make such qualms with my play. You say that I "should not" have had Soup as clear, but I did through my thought process and gaining my own independent read, I even stated I had Bardull's slot as scum or PR and that was what I was expecting. I am sorry I did not show your venehmonsity towards wanting that slot dead but I am not sorry for saying he was clear because at the end of the day, my logic was correct and sound. He flipped town PR, not scum. Therefore picking a problem with what I said is moot unless you have better reasoning to dislike what I said.

 

[#HBC | J]

J why did you feel the need to say any of this stuff the way you did?

You're quite clearly playing up the victim here, and for... what reason? If you want to push the slot tell us why, don't just sit and cry about it. And that deflection on the Pawn lynch being a bad one is just awful if you didn't have a better idea.

You are using the wrong words to describe what you want to say. I am not victimizing myself or anything in those posts. I am expressing my discontent for what happened. I haven't been sitting and crying about it. Pawn died, big whoop. I didn't have a town-read on him and he was a null, but his lynch was un-interesting because we got very little based on it. I wasn't here at the time of the pawn lynch so I couldn't have even said I had a better idea. I will say the Pawn lynch was a bad one, because it was.

Think about it this way, if we had lynched Soup instead of Pawn we would have found out that Soup was a cop earlier and been able to do a re-read during the night, plus Mafia would have had to choose someone else to NK, which in turn, creates more connections for us to delve into. Pawn lynch is just our one "inactive" lynch and it's just lucky for us he wasn't a PR because we would have lost 2 PRs back to back. Also who is to say Soup would have even gotten an action off last Night? He more then likely was RB'd to hell if mafia had choose to not NK'd him.

If I was playing the victim, I wouldn't be doing what I am doing at this juncture and trying to find other things to talk about besides the negativity that D1's impact had on the game for town. I am trying to find more things to garner since D1 didn't have much to gain besides "welp inactive and our cop who had claimed is dead."

And then here you basically go "I have a town read, but if you ask why **** you."

Did you read the post, clearly? I explained why I was saying he had to give me a reason to wanting my town-read. I didn't even give a "**** you" response but asked him to expand on it. I even asked if he found Wolfy to be scummy, which he hasn't even said anything to yet as to if he does or not. So far, he has a "null" read on Wolfy because I cannot read his mind as to what he is truly thinking about him. I wanted to know if he had a scum-read on Wolfy which would turn on the defensive button in me to go more into the read. However, he did not so, for a null or even a "town" read on the slot, I saw no reason to extrapolate.

I fail to see why you forget to mention Circus had a similar post on the same page regarding Raz' push for wanting a town-read of mine.

While still being quite okay with asking Circus the exact same thing on his own Frito read? What?

The "Why?" is there. Circus has a scum-lean on Frito. Not a town-lean. That is the "Why?". Raz was asking for a town-read while I was asking for a scum-read on a slot I do not have much on besides a discontent for his case on the said slot (Circus). Therefore, the reasoning for asking Circus does not even pertain to the logic regarding Raz.

Then you ask this:

And then this.

Which doesn't make sense because why are you asking a question on a post where I am trying to help Raz as a player? You have to go more into this if you want a more valid response because I do not know what you are wanting from this.

WHY

Why did you even feel the need to do this, do discredit his slot so badly and then just turn it all around and go "eh town I guess" when the intent to mud sling was quite clearly present. What on earth were you hoping to accomplish riling him and calling him bad just to write him off as "emotional", if not just to **** on the slot more completely? WTF

I did not discredit his slot. Stop posting things you clearly have no true understanding of or not even having a simple amount of knowledge as to what my posts are saying. I said Razzy can be town based on his emotions. I was not mud-slinging his slot, nor calling for his lynch. You say it was "clearly present" but that isn't even the case. By asking him for questions, I was gaining a read on a slot I had trouble reading and have had trouble reading. I didn't even say he was "emotional" I said "His emotions" which are two different descriptions. I am known to read players based off their emotions and present logic to it. This is my way of reading. You say I was "****ting" on the slot, but that isn't even true. In fact, you need to ask @Raziek if he got "riled up" or felt "****ted on" by my responses to him before you assume things that have not been correct with your track record regarding what I have been doing.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gonna flurry post so people don't have to try and find their responses in a big post.



I didn't get the imperssion that they were "adamant" against pawn but moreso adamant against not letting the "replacement" go for the actions of the true player. I literally think they just came in and voted with a "'Kay" and that was that.

Refer to: my response to Hetero. I acknowledge that it wasn't as severe but my point stands.

 

[Fandangox]

Being fair, it was an ISO not a case.

I went over everything in detail, even if I ignored on posts I posted with "nothing here"

Heh, still don't see much sense in quoting posts in that wall that you were gonna get nothing from, but that's mostly irrelevant I guess.

Think about it this way, if we had lynched Soup instead of Pawn we would have found out that Soup was a cop earlier and been able to do a re-read during the night, plus Mafia would have had to choose someone else to NK, which in turn, creates more connections for us to delve into. Pawn lynch is just our one "inactive" lynch and it's just lucky for us he wasn't a PR because we would have lost 2 PRs back to back. Also who is to say Soup would have even gotten an action off last Night? He more then likely was RB'd to hell if mafia had choose to not NK'd him.

I disagree, I mean in retrospect its easier to say this, but I agree with Circus in that either you thought he was town and didn't vote him, or you thought he was scum and voted him. We might have not gotten much out of Pawn's lynch, but Soup not being the Lynch means that Scum was forced to nkill him instead of someone else they would have wanted to target.

Also your town read on Bwolf is entirely meta, what do you think of his D1?

 

[Circus]

But I mean from scumRaz' POV he's deflecting pressure from a player he KNOWS is legit, and redirecting that pressure onto a name that can be universally agreed upon, only to NK it because cop. Win win.

Him lynching cop would look atrocious, and if he's scum i bet he knew that in his position. On paper, lynching pawn doesn't look bad. That's a fact. But it IS being on a lynch.

Like I said, could be scum with foresight. It just doesn't read that way to me. And I contest the idea that Raz specifically would have looked "atrocious" on a soup lynch. Plenty of people were happy to default to that lynch, most of which had to have been townies. No one else was even close to getting lynched and it was 7 hours to deadline. Raz could have said "well, this or nothing" and thrown his vote on soup and basically no one would have been able to say anything about it. I mean, maybe he could have done it in a way that would be telling of scum alignment, but the action itself would be null. Instead, he chose to hail marry on Pawn, a player with only one vote on him, to try to get someone other than soup lynched. If Raz is scum, then he knowingly endangered scum's chances of getting a lynch at all, with the Cop primed and ready to hang. There's simply no need to do that, especially when it clearly doesn't get you many town points to begin with.

 

[Circus]

What do you guys make of his stance when it came around the time soup replaced in and eyes starting looking elsewhere for a flip? He was adamantly against switching to pawn, which for a scum No Hetero doesn't really click, for either Nabe OR Marshy. I feel like they'd be up and at hardbodying pawn right out of here... But they were ambivalent.

I seem to be reading this exactly the opposite way that you did. To me, No Hetero's late switch to Pawn is not telling of a town slot at all. To me, that looks like a slot that knows it can play hardbody whenever it wants, and all the better when the momentum's already solidly on the claimed town Cop with the deadline fast approaching. In fact, I think town Marshy specifically would have been much more interested in bodying a deadweight slot like Pawn (no offense, Pawn) over potential contributor soup. Unless he was CERTAIN the slot was scum.

 

[Circus]

"That thing". If I had been right on Bardscum, which I had every reason to think that I was, would you look at pushing hard with no hesitation to be good? If so, you're expressing a gut expectation of my play where I'd do it regardless of my role, but to be judged based on the flipped player's role, rather than for taking the actual action and the motivations of that action... motivations I made very clear.

I'm responsible for Bard's death. It's the same as what would have been the conclusion to the Bard wagon that I spearheaded. The result is that the cop is dead, because I drove him to claim, and he likely wasn't protected because of my loud and public suspicion on the slot, for his crumb and claim and the rest of his garbage posts.

I hold myself accountable for our scummy cop getting shot, and in the next game where someone plays like Bard did, I'll do it again.

One little, off-hand comment and you write me paragraphs.

I still need to reread you before I can decide if my gut is worth following on this. It's not worth your time or mine to get into this now. I hope you'll give some reads aside from the two slots that are now dead pretty soon.

 

[Circus]

Like Ryu says, their post was an ISO on Circus rather than a case. The distinction isn't entirely relevant, because the ISO was undertaken with at least a scumlean expressed on Circus. But did they drop a vote there? The reads on Circus' posts are all the opposite of my readings, which jives with my feelings in the rest of D1 that they were scummy, but I didn't get a sense that they were trying for any push on Jerkus.

"But did they drop a vote there?"

Yes.

"I didn't get a sense that they were trying for any push on Jerkus."

The slot ISO'd me, finished stating I was straight up scum and voted me. Kantrip asked him if he really believed what he said because it obviously read like hot air and he doubled down on the read. If Red Ryu himself is to be believed, he sincerely thought I was scum for my play yesterDay. Make of that what you will. You come dangerously close to looking like you're trying to tweak history in this post.

 

[#HBC | J]

So after re-reading the end of D1 again, totally see townRaz over scumRaz and will not be lynching him in a long while. I'm also pretty sure of CircusTown so my buddying of that slot will come to a cease more than likely. I'd say Ditzy is more than likely his usual DitzTown and with the odds, they also play into his favor of being a town-read rather than a scum-read.

Seems this is going to be a slow PoE game due to no one really showing me anything inherently scummy but I see connections if flips were to occur. More people need to post though and more pushes.

@Potassium @ Dooms @ Fandangox

Talk, give scum-reads, stop not being here. *TO Fanny, I want you to do more yourself and actually pursue a read or something*

@ #HBC | Gorf

Can you remove your vote from Raz? Which hydra would you lynch the most Frito or NH? If one of Kanty or Joey were scum, who would it be and why?

@ No Hetero

Talk to me about 2 players. Dealer's choice.

@Friday Townie

One, please post on the hydra more or replace to just yourself Ruy. I keep thinking the slot is different from Ruy. Two, who are your scum-reads and for Ruy, I'll make an exception and ask for a town read as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also your town read on Bwolf is entirely meta, what do you think of his D1?

Genuine would be the best word to describe it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Fine

unvote

I'd vote frito of the two. I'm still not convinced Hetero is scum (although their posts toDay don't quite help em out), and frito is a hydra of an absent person and mother ****ing Ruy. You're absolutely right in saying that @ Fandangox @Potassium and @ Dooms NEED to talk, because I'm having a legitimately hard time finding scum for some reason.

 

[No Hetero]

One little, off-hand comment and you write me paragraphs.

I still need to reread you before I can decide if my gut is worth following on this. It's not worth your time or mine to get into this now. I hope you'll give some reads aside from the two slots that are now dead pretty soon.

No, it's definitely worth the time, or else I wouldn't be ****ing doing it. People seem to think they can toss my accusations aside when I haven't dropped a full and passive reads list in D2, as if that justifies their pretense. Well, I've called you out, so put down a stance on whether or not you think HBC is inherently scummy. We're not pussyfooting around this when it's my motivation being called into question, because that passive-aggressive **** intentionally limits how effectively I can **** scum out of here.

The slot ISO'd me, finished stating I was straight up scum and voted me. Kantrip asked him if he really believed what he said because it obviously read like hot air and he doubled down on the read. If Red Ryu himself is to be believed, he sincerely thought I was scum for my play yesterDay. Make of that what you will. You come dangerously close to looking like you're trying to tweak history in this post.

Cool. I don't remember their vote on you, which suggests to me that they didn't put in actual effort to get your lynch, which is my take on the slot. That they did put a vote on you doesn't affect that conclusion, it just calls them into further question for parking a vote on you and posturing on a push.

 

[No Hetero]

@ No Hetero

Talk to me about 2 players. Dealer's choice.

I have something on tap here but talk to me about Badwolf first. I'm seeing talk about Raz kicking up the Pawn wagon last Day, but it was actually Badwolf who voted and generated the momentum. Did you notice / does that affect your reads?

 

[Dooms]

Like Fandango.

I slight town read Ryu, but I'll be 100% honest and say that it is mostly meta. I don't see scum Ryu making that case on Circus and being that careless about his vote when combined with Rajam's really odd early-game play. I don't see any scum intent in what they're doing, especially when he did the TL;DR version of his Circus ISO.

I like Circus day 2 play and his reaction to the Frito push. Outside of that, I don't really have anything else on Circus.

Circus responded to it better than I ever could, but I hate NH's defense on Frito's ISO. That's partially because the slot is under the assumption that Frito didn't vote in their ISO, thus didn't push Circus slot. In reality, Frito had a vote on Circus prior to the ISO, revoted in the ISO, and then voted again after the ISO. I don't understand why NH would say stuff like this about Frito's slot and then say something along the lines of "I don't agree with anything they're saying, and this made me scum read their slot for a while, but they weren't really pushing Circus' slot". I don't understand why NH needed to add that part, as it comes across as very non-committed to his read on either of the two slots and it seems very fence-sitty. Also makes me wonder where NH's read on Ryu currently stands after they realize that it actually was a Circus push attempt. I don't like how NH rode on Gordito's tail for day 1 and didn't even reconsider the Soup slot regardless of the claim + Soup's obvtown play (mostly Soup's play). Not enough to make me scum read the slot as a whole once you consider #HBC, but definitely not feeling too well with NH as a whole.

Based on how BP posted about J, I can easily see where they're coming from. I actually like that he's trying to learn more about the slot as a whole instead of just diving down his throat. I don't like how they handled Soup, but not for the same reason as I dislike NH/Gord (soon to be explained). His Bardull push seems to be based on "town cop wouldn't be that stupid", but that is logic that can also be applied to scum as well. Outside of that, though, I don't have any other problems with how BP has played.

The only thing I disliked about Kantrip's slot was the Fanny push. After Kantrip went into it again when he replaced KWK, the scum read I had on the slot went away pretty much. Soup's 312 and 313 actually contributed a lot to my read on Kantrip as well. I read over those two posts and I pretty much agreed with Soup at that point. Feeling more townie about the slot as a whole now.

Raziek's 426 made me fall in love with the slot. J & Raz interaction just made me love the slot even more. Raziek is honestly probably my strongest town read.

I don't really like Gord too much at this point. His Raz push is ew. His 581 is very fence-sitty and also ew. I don't like how he sat on Soup and didn't really re-read the slot at all, like Bardull was just destined to flip scum. This is the same thing that NH did, and I don't like how NH did it either, but Gord's 415 is disgusting! I don't see a reason for town not to reconsider a slot's play ESPECIALLY after a cop claim and to just call a slot "the play" because (according to 449) it's going to be impossible to read the slot if it's not lynched right away or because you're just that far in your tunneling goggles from Bardull's play. Looking back on his Bardull push with his recent play + the last part of day 1 really makes me dislike Gord's slot. I don't see him scum hunting with Soup. I see him sitting on Soup because it should have been an easy lynch at that point, and this line of logic really shows for me after he starts talking to Soup. Read Gord's 435, and then his 438. Soup called this out, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it's ****ing awful (and also not true, as Soup ends up talking about his own slot prior to Gord's 438 anyways).

I can't read J. At all. I'm generally with BP, but I don't get scum vibes from what J has done at all. I don't get any vibes. I have no idea why J is doing things the way he's doing it. I have no clue why J would play like this for either alignment. I don't know what to ask that will make it clearer for me. It's kind of just like "what?" I'm just going to let J's slot play out a bit more before I have a read on it. Consider J my biggest null read.

I think that's it. Huh.

Vote: Gord

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea I don't like Joey.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@J I am looking at circus still.

Circus still doesn't look sincere at all, wanted Bardull but didn't try to vote and even opted off fur Pawn even though he spent 2 paragraphs dancing around what he wanted to do with him. I think that sideline behavior is scummy, and it's the same with his stance on me. He wanted me, but opted no support nor attempt to legitimately push. Then when I do respond to him he flat out ignores it when I talked to him today. He's not trying to form a read on my slot.

Other than that nothing firm either.

I don't like Hetero but I'm trying to see the head of Marshy and Nabe yesturday with how votes I can't really figure out where his alignment is focused.

Joey, not gonna lie rereading that flip isn't making me feel good about him. This issue is from what I have played with Joey, hydra or not, flip flopping is pretty standard. He has trouble being decisive even in games like Luigi's where he hard white knights me, he 180'd and voted me later. He needs to post more and of the inactives is the one who should have our focus.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ebwop

Sorry I skimmed when I said that. I'll put em back to null.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No, it's definitely worth the time, or else I wouldn't be ****ing doing it. People seem to think they can toss my accusations aside when I haven't dropped a full and passive reads list in D2, as if that justifies their pretense. Well, I've called you out, so put down a stance on whether or not you think HBC is inherently scummy. We're not *****footing around this when it's my motivation being called into question, because that passive-aggressive **** intentionally limits how effectively I can **** scum out of here.


Cool. I don't remember their vote on you, which suggests to me that they didn't put in actual effort to get your lynch, which is my take on the slot. That they did put a vote on you doesn't affect that conclusion, it just calls them into further question for parking a vote on you and posturing on a push.

It's literally in my ISO days after I was busy and Rajam vanished.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Fine

unvote

I'd vote frito of the two. I'm still not convinced Hetero is scum (although their posts toDay don't quite help em out), and frito is a hydra of an absent person and mother ****ing Ruy. You're absolutely right in saying that @ Fandangox @Potassium and @ Dooms NEED to talk, because I'm having a legitimately hard time finding scum for some reason.

I don't get this, every game you do this and it is baffling, not just Ruy but your always willing to lynch on name alone and I don't get it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ninja'd by Joey.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hey Joey get off your armchair and get @ me.

 

[Dooms]

Hey Joey get off your armchair and get @ me.

I don't understand what you mean. I don't understand the term "armchair" in a mafia setting.

 

[Dooms]

But I will get at you.

Mostly your ****.

100% homo.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't get this, every game you do this and it is baffling, not just Ruy but your always willing to lynch on name alone and I don't get it.

I got tired of saying the same damn thing about the same damn slots. You aren't a town read to me, so I'm willing to lynch you. Remember where I said "can we just policy Ruy?" If you used a smudge of critical thinking you'd realize that THAT was the point where you officially went ****** mode. I LIKED early rajam. I now think you're slot is flat null. Clear now?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Didn't read in depth, lazy phone reading, but I like that from Joey.

@J @ Dooms if you think I am wrong on Circus what in particular makes you think he is town? Do you consider what Circus said about my slot or his actions with bardull?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ Dooms

It means you're just chillin on the side letting the action happen and making a comment about it and dipping. You have thoughts and I can actually dig some of em. But I'm your biggest scum read and I wanna cure that, so you gotta get off of your armchair (get it now?) and get @ me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I got tired of saying the same damn thing about the same damn slots. You aren't a town read to me, so I'm willing to lynch you. Remember where I said "can we just policy Ruy?" If you used a smudge of critical thinking you'd realize that THAT was the point where you officially went ****** mode. I LIKED early rajam. I now think you're slot is flat null. Clear now?

Good to see you follow the genius logic Ryker used in Mario Party 2.

Tell me about Why you initially didn't like Joey's post though and drop that kind if mudslinging.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Cuz I was mobile n semi reading and all of a sudden BAM a fat Joey post. I was just like "ugh his this guy really arm chairing this hard?" But I went on to read the whole thing and, coupled with the fact that I like some of his points, he WAS V/LA n I gave em the benefit of the doubt, I'll keep looking at his play.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Good to see you follow the genius logic Ryker used in Mario Party 2.

Oh ho not at all. Are you comparing your situation to EE's?

 

[Dooms]

I got tired of saying the same damn thing about the same damn slots. You aren't a town read to me, so I'm willing to lynch you. Remember where I said "can we just policy Ruy?" If you used a smudge of critical thinking you'd realize that THAT was the point where you officially went ****** mode. I LIKED early rajam. I now think you're slot is flat null. Clear now?

Okay, I'll start here.

Compare Ryu's slot to NH's for me.

Why are you wanting to keep NH's slot around compared to Ryu's?

Are you null reading NH? You're telling us that you're not convinced of NH scum, but how does that put them above a flat null Ryu?

Continuing onto more questions:

Why did you not reconsider Soup? Like, at all? I understand that you disliked Bardull's slot a lot, but you just sat on Soup, regardless of how he played. From my understanding (and from what you posted earlier), it's because the slot would be a question mark the whole game. If this is the case, then how come you, NH, Circus, and BP were pretty much the only slots not to re-consider Soup's slot? You never mentioned Soup's play being bad or scummy at all. You just stated that the slot ****ed itself over pretty much. It looks like you didn't even take a stab at reading Soup's play and comparing it to Bardull's play to see if the slot maybe was just really awful town early on. Why is this?

What are your thoughts on Raziek's 426? You stated Raziek was doing nothing through Day 1, but this doesn't seem like nothing, and things like this make Raz' play come across as Raziek coming in whenever he possibly can. Do you consider this nothing, or did you state that Raziek was doing nothing prior to this post? I can't remember which is which.

Speaking of Raziek, what was specifically scummy with Raziek's early play? What makes that play so scummy that his current play is completely out the window? All I see is Raz talking about his thoughts from RVS stuff for a bit too long (which I can't see as scummy per-say. More-so null since we had people like Fandango still talking about his RVS play), and Raz not being here, which seems to be a standard for school-based Raz (which is also null). Tell me what you see specifically about Raz' early play that makes him scummy. Or is it not his early play? You mentioned how we can't dismiss his early play, but then you generalize what he did in his early play as a whole as if we are to just assume that's correct. I don't follow.