Poll: Would you be fine with different Ice Climbers for both games?

[FunAtParties]

We all know the Ice Climbers got cut mainly because of 3DS limitations, and that Sakurai doesn't want to "rip off" 3DS owners by giving them a gimped version. I wonder though, how many 3DS owners would feel "ripped off" if they got a solo Ice Climber, while Wii U owners still got the full on, dual IC version?

 

[KimKarsmashian]

I would prefer the IC be a Wii U exclusive (you know, like most everything else worthwhile was). A solo Popo would be a huge change, you could potentially treat him as a new character compared to the old IC (of course, if this means double IC representation... ). Then we'd have a 3DS exclusive character (that can run on the Wii U version) and a Wii U exclusive character, and what kind of mess will that create for future Smash titles?

If I had to choose between no IC and this, though, I'd choose this.

 

[~Krystal~]

I would be completely fine with this. I have no attachment to the 3DS version. The pledge to keep the rosters virtually the same no matter what didn't sit well with me. I think that if a system is capable of handling characters, especially a veteran like the Ice Climbers, it should absolutely have it no questions asked. Pokemon had version exclusive monsters from day one and that hasn't withered away under intense consumer backlash. No reason to believe a popular game like Smash Bros. would either.

 

[Splebel]

As Someone who loved to play as Ice Climbers in Brawl and was disappointed that they weren't in Smash 4. I agree with the decision to keep the roster of both games equal. I only have the 3DS version I would feel gipped if I couldn't get characters that the Wii U could. We didn't get the Miiverse stage either for some reason but it was basically another battlefield so I don't care.

Also for the Pokémon example; Even though both versions had different Pokémon both version could handle all the Pokémon. So it's not really the same thing.

I wouldn't mind a Solo Ice Climber for both versions though.

 

[FunAtParties]

I'm honestly surprised at all the "No" answers I'm seeing. Can anyone that answered "No" please explain your reasoning?

 

[Dsull]

Yaknow i've been thinking about IC.

We have 3DS characters that utilize either a drone (Luma) that only leads your attacks rather than copy it or another entity thats not always there (Zelda's Knight). Why, then, dont they just make it a solo IC and have the other pop out of nowhere for special attacks and smashes? Keeps the multihit from having two, its not a solid drone following you around so no 3DS issue.
Admittedly it would be a little out of character for one IC to simply "poof" in and out, but it would let them work and be pretty close to what they used to be.

And i play both games, i voted no because i dont want differences in characters let alone roster between the games.

 

[ryuu seika]

I already tend to feel left out when it comes to competetive talk. Giving a character specifically to a version I don't own would place me even further out of the loop and, given I actually enjoy Ice Climbers, I'd feel like my 3DS Smash was even more worthless than at the moment.

 

[FunAtParties]

Yaknow i've been thinking about IC.

We have 3DS characters that utilize either a drone (Luma) that only leads your attacks rather than copy it or another entity thats not always there (Zelda's Knight). Why, then, dont they just make it a solo IC and have the other pop out of nowhere for special attacks and smashes? Keeps the multihit from having two, its not a solid drone following you around so no 3DS issue.
Admittedly it would be a little out of character for one IC to simply "poof" in and out, but it would let them work and be pretty close to what they used to be.

And i play both games, i voted no because i dont want differences in characters let alone roster between the games.

What if Sakurai implemented this idea for the 3DS version only though? While also keep the dual IC's for the Wii U. The rosters would technically be the same, and the move sets would be the same as well, it would just look different.
Would you accept that?

 

[FunAtParties]

I already tend to feel left out when it comes to competetive talk. Giving a character specifically to a version I don't own would place me even further out of the loop and, given I actually enjoy Ice Climbers, I'd feel like my 3DS Smash was even more worthless than at the moment.

Would still get SoPo though, probably a buffed version at that. Or if we follow Dsull's idea, you could get the IC's in spurts. Would you feel out of the loop then?

 

[ErenJager]

The Wii U shouldn't have to suffer because the 3DS isn't powerful enough.

Why hinder the better version of the game?

Make Smash less good so it can be equal to the less powerful version.

Makes zero sense.

Smash has traditionally been a console game, to have all these capabilities on the Wii U compared to the Wii only to have a 3DS version draw it back down, is lame!

I'd rather have the Ice Climbers playable in one version than not at all... like wot. Mind blown, everyone who voted No is just playing Smash poverty version for poors. Buy a Wii U guys.

 

[ryuu seika]

What if Sakurai implemented this idea for the 3DS version only though? While also keep the dual IC's for the Wii U. The rosters would technically be the same, and the move sets would be the same as well, it would just look different.
Would you accept that?

No, they wouldn't be the same. The way the characters can be seperated has a huge effect on play.

Would still get SoPo though, probably a buffed version at that. Or if we follow Dsull's idea, you could get the IC's in spurts. Would you feel out of the loop then?

If both versions got Popo only, my complaint would be that we'd've lost what made the Ice Climbers unique. I would feel better about how my copy of the game stacked up to everyone elses but worse about the character in general. What is the point of asking for Ice Climbers if you lose everything that makes them the Ice Climbers.

 

[FunAtParties]

The Wii U shouldn't have to suffer because the 3DS isn't powerful enough.

Why hinder the better version of the game?

Make Smash less good so it can be equal to the less powerful version.

Makes zero sense.

Smash has traditionally been a console game, to have all these capabilities on the Wii U compared to the Wii only to have a 3DS version draw it back down, is lame!

I'd rather have the Ice Climbers playable in one version than not at all... like wot. Mind blown, everyone who voted No is just playing Smash poverty version for poors. Buy a Wii U guys.

I feel the same way, but apparently we're in the minority. I really just don't get why anyone would want to deprive others of characters just so everything stays equal. If I was a 3DS only player and payed 20$ less for a game, I'd expect some downgrades other than just graphics.

 

[ErenJager]

I feel the same way, but apparently we're in the minority. I really just don't get why anyone would want to deprive others of characters just so everything stays equal. If I was a 3DS only player and payed 20$ less for a game, I'd expect some downgrades other than just graphics.

If you want to drive the sales of your major console usually you should make one of the consoles best games exclusive to a single version... giving ppl a chance to opt out is well... taking away from potential console buyers.

It's the typical if I can't have it no one should have it mentality.
All these pinko liberals and their ideas of fairness.

 

[FunAtParties]

If you want to drive the sales of your major console usually you should make one of the consoles best games exclusive to a single version... giving ppl a chance to opt out is well... taking away from potential console buyers.

It's the typical if I can't have it no one should have it mentality.
All these pinko liberals and their ideas of fairness.

Let's not bring politics in this please, I'm not trying to get this thread locked.

Other than that I agree.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

Honestly i see no problem with Wii U exclusive DLC. wouldn't be the first time there's been console exclusie dlc for a game. it's not like anybody is getting "ripped off" as far as the base game goes anymore. and besides like it or not, 3ds is essentially a gimped wii u version with the fact tat it overall has less content(such as a rather small stage selection) anyway and most people who are sticking with smash 4 for the long run(aka: those who who are most likely to buy DLC) enerally have switched to wii u or are planning on switching over to the wii u version.

 

[Splebel]

Well there are many differences and downgrades the 3DS version has that the Wii U doesn't. Music, Trophies, Amount of Stages, Smash Tour, Tournament Mode (Although I ain't mad because you know), Stage Creation, etc. So we do have downgrades.

Also another example. I go to local tournaments sometimes and they use the Wii U version. How would it be fair if I play on the 3DS learning the matchups and then go to a tournament and lose to people because I couldn't practice those match ups. So I don't want one version to get Ice Climbers and one a stripped down version. Olimar is a little like that but items don't usually come into play competitively so it isn't a big deal.

 

[KimKarsmashian]

Honestly, I felt like I got ripped off with the 3DS version once I saw the 50-fact extravaganza, so there really isn't anything more they could do to make me feel like I wasted my money. It's one thing if there's material that could be on the 3DS but is kept Wii U exclusive, just to create incentives to buy the Wii U version - that would be unfair and I'd be upset about it. But the Ice Climbers can't be on the 3DS, as far as Sakurai has tried. Neither can the Miiverse stage, but nobody seems particularly upset about that because they understand why it can't happen (and also nobody cares about Miiverse, but shh).

DLC also inherently creates differences in rosters among people, since not everyone is willing to buy every character, or willing to buy each character for each system, so this isn't even the first time we'll be having different rosters among the same Smash games. I'm already behind two DLC characters because I can't drop money willy-nilly. But this inequality didn't stop them from making DLC, and for the most part people here seem very open to the idea of DLC.

I'm mostly nervous that if the next Smash game is not Sakurai-led and ends up being wildly different, Brawl would be the last Sakurai-led Smash the IC appeared in... and I'm not okay with that.

But I'm a casual gamer, so the competitive stuff doesn't affect me at all. I just want to see the Ice Climbers running around Gaur Plains beating Ryu with a hammer.

 

[ryuu seika]

I feel the same way, but apparently we're in the minority. I really just don't get why anyone would want to deprive others of characters just so everything stays equal. If I was a 3DS only player and payed 20$ less for a game, I'd expect some downgrades other than just graphics.

Were it sold that way from the start, I would be ok with it. I bought the 3DS version specifically on the grounds that it wouldn't be worse though.

 

[KimKarsmashian]

Were it sold that way from the start, I would be ok with it. I bought the 3DS version specifically on the grounds that it wouldn't be worse though.

To be honest, so did I. When the 50 fact extravaganza happened, I felt awful. It felt like having the rug pulled out from under my feet. "You thought they'd be more or less the same, eh? Joke's on you!" So I understand feeling lied to and possibly having buyer's regret.

 

[ErenJager]

Were it sold that way from the start, I would be ok with it. I bought the 3DS version specifically on the grounds that it wouldn't be worse though.

It looked like crap before it was even released compared to the Wii U version.
I have both versions and it's been worse since day one.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

Well there are many differences and downgrades the 3DS version has that the Wii U doesn't. Music, Trophies, Amount of Stages, Smash Tour, Tournament Mode (Although I ain't mad because you know), Stage Creation, etc. So we do have downgrades.

Also another example. I go to local tournaments sometimes and they use the Wii U version. How would it be fair if I play on the 3DS learning the matchups and then go to a tournament and lose to people because I couldn't practice those match ups. So I don't want one version to get Ice Climbers and one a stripped down version. Olimar is a little like that but items don't usually come into play competitively so it isn't a big deal.

To be fair, a 3ds player would have the disadvantage at a wii u tournament anyway due to being unable to practice on most of the stages other than battlefield and FD. heck, somebody who didn't have lay down the extra money to get the dlc characters would have a disadvantage there too in that sense!

Honestly, I felt like I got ripped off with the 3DS version once I saw the 50-fact extravaganza, so there really isn't anything more they could do to make me feel like I wasted my money. It's one thing if there's material that could be on the 3DS but is kept Wii U exclusive, just to create incentives to buy the Wii U version - that would be unfair and I'd be upset about it. But the Ice Climbers can't be on the 3DS, as far as Sakurai has tried. Neither can the Miiverse stage, but nobody seems particularly upset about that because they understand why it can't happen (and also nobody cares about Miiverse, but shh)..

Same here, honestly i haven't known a single 3ds player who didn't feel ripped off by the 50 facts extravaganza, definitely made me feel like i shouldn't have bothered and instead just waited until i could get a wii u XD I mean that whole "both versions will be equal" **** was such a big fat lie!

 

[ryuu seika]

Same here, honestly i haven't known a single 3ds player who didn't feel ripped off by the 50 facts extravaganza, definitely made me feel like i shouldn't have bothered and instead just waited until i could get a wii u XD I mean that whole "both versions will be equal" **** was such a big fat lie!

I lie to myself and convince myself I'm ok with it but then I want to play online and suddenly none of my friends own a 3DS and there's no cross compatability. That's what most hurts for me. The stagebuilder sucks, 8-player is a logistical improbability and Smashopoly is a stupid gimmick. Better graphics I can live without and no boss on Guar Plains is actually a plus but no special Smash and no friend play is a killer.

I would rather not feel yet more conned.

 

[Splebel]

To be fair, a 3ds player would have the disadvantage at a wii u tournament anyway due to being unable to practice on most of the stages other than battlefield and FD. heck, somebody who didn't have lay down the extra money to get the dlc characters would have a disadvantage there too in that sense!

It's not that bad. A lot of the stages are repeats or simple. I did well in a tournament and I did well on Duck Hunt even though I never played on it before.

 

[ryuu seika]

Tournament legal stages tend to be the more straightforward ones anyway.

 

[FunAtParties]

Anybody got suggestion for a "fair" compromise then, because ready all this as an IC fan is really depressing.

 

[~Krystal~]

Anybody got suggestion for a "fair" compromise then, because ready all this as an IC fan is really depressing.

If you'd like to see the Ice Climbers as a dynamic duo, that could be out of the question. A discount on the Wii U version is the best compromise I can think of. It won't deface everything that makes the Ice Climbers who they are by splitting them up into single characters, tempting as it may be to do just that and turn Nana into an alt.

 

[Splebel]

If they can fit them on the new 3DS then I could see it working but then that would alienate normal 3DS users.

 

[FunAtParties]

If you'd like to see the Ice Climbers as a dynamic duo, that could be out of the question. A discount on the Wii U version is the best compromise I can think of. It won't deface everything that makes the Ice Climbers who they are by splitting them up into single characters, tempting as it may be to do just that and turn Nana into an alt.

I said this in the Ice Climber support thread as well but I think it bears repeating. As an Ice Climber fan, I'd be fine with doing this as long as this doesn't inhibit their future appearances. The last thing I want is for Sakurai to put them in solo-style as a compromise, and then run with it in future games. I love the duality of the IC's, it what got me interested in them in the first place, and while I can compromise for one game, I'll be really upset to have them lazily thrown out that way afterwards.

That's why I'll never 100% back SoPo, the fact that it might be the only one we get them in future editions (if it gains in popularity) is a risk I'm hesitant to take.

 

[SnowmanEX711]

At this point, I am willing to accept them in anyway. It sucks that the 3DS had to gimp the Wii U from having them in, but that's what happens when you try to make something like the 3DS in equal terms as the Wii U (you just can't judge them the same way)

I think the idea about the disappearing Nana could work, but we all know Sakurai doesn't like making major changes to characters.

 

[FunAtParties]

At this point, I am willing to accept them in anyway. It sucks that the 3DS had to gimp the Wii U from having them in, but that's what happens when you try to make something like the 3DS in equal terms as the Wii U (you just can't judge them the same way)

I think the idea about the disappearing Nana could work, but we all know Sakurai doesn't like making major changes to characters.

I think if we IC fans show enough support, we can force his hand. It's not going to be easy though, as I think this poll proves; people are pretty far apart on this. I too just want my character back, and will sacrifice the way they've played to do so, but I really wish people would realize how much this sucks for us IC fans, and maybe attempt to compromise too.

 

[SnowmanEX711]

I think if we IC fans show enough support, we can force his hand. It's not going to be easy though, as I think this poll proves; people are pretty far apart on this. I too just want my character back, and will sacrifice the way they've played to do so, but I really wish people would realize how much this sucks for us IC fans, and maybe attempt to compromise too.

Yeah, I'm willing to compromise too. But apparently people think the smartest move is to wait another 6 to 7 and pray that people still want them back. I don't think IC fans want to wait that long.

 

[KimKarsmashian]

Yeah, I'm willing to compromise too. But apparently people think the smartest move is to wait another 6 to 7 and pray that people still want them back. I don't think IC fans want to wait that long.

Yeah, we don't know when there will be another Smash. It doesn't seem fair to punish IC fans because the 3DS version can't handle them. And who knows, maybe whoever does Smash in the future will decide they can safely get rid of the IC because they're too much of a nuisance to program and nobody really missed them anyway.

To avoid that awful situation, vote Ice Climbers in the ballot #IceClimbersNiceClimbers #IceClimbers4Sm4sh

 

[Aetheri]

No
1. They are the Ice Climber(s)...not SoPo...Having just one solo Ice Climber is not even close to being the same...Their whole gimmick revolved around their duality...Sure Zelda/Sheik's gimmick was removed but most users of the character(s) preferred one or the other, not to mention the added special move

2. The sole reason they were cut to begin with was due to their limitations on the 3DS and Sakurai has already expressed his thoughts on making version exclusive characters (why he has no problems with Stages (not counting the bigger stages of course) and Smash Run is beyond me) but for those who don't want solo Ice Climbers but don't own a Wii U is a bit unfair...

 

[dangeraaron10]

As an owner of the 3DS version, I used to have a Wii U with the Wii U version of Smash. Yes it is superior in every single way EXCEPT Smash Tour is a joke of a feature, and Smash Run would be much more entertaining if you could actually customize the rule set AT ALL outside of music. Frickin SHEESH, I can't even adjust the difficulty of CPUs or decrease the number of them, or change the time of Smash Run, or decided which enemies and items appear, or what mini games appear, or what the end challenges are. Some of those mini games I'd love to access OUTSIDE of Smash Run.

HOW DO YOU **** THIS UP!?!??!

How?

Just how lame does the 3DS version really have to be anyway?

/rant over, I wasn't playing the Wii U much at all and there was nothing I wanted coming out for it with the NX looming over the horizon so I sold it because I was hard up on cash, keeping my 3DS. My ONLY REGRET is losing Smash for Wii U, the rest I don't care about.



...so anyway, about Ice Climbers, I don't care one way or another whether they are in the game or not and in what form they take. I never felt any strong attachment to them. I know the roster feels incomplete right now for me but I completely forgot the Ice Climbers were even in the previous games. So my vote goes to "indifferent".

 

[FunAtParties]

No
...
2. The sole reason they were cut to begin with was due to their limitations on the 3DS and Sakurai has already expressed his thoughts on making version exclusive characters (why he has no problems with Stages (not counting the bigger stages of course) and Smash Run is beyond me) but for those who don't want solo Ice Climbers but don't own a Wii U is a bit unfair...

We're talking about fair in a thread that represents a character that got cut for the limitations of a system that a lot of people didn't think it should've came out for anyway. Is it fair that a group of people lose their favorite character, so fans that bought a game that costs 20$ less w/o factoring in the costs of the system itself, have the same roster?

Nothing's really fair about any of this, so please drop all this fairness talk.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

Without turning this into a "3DS ruined everything" thread like this certain topic tends to bring, I figure a good solution for Ice Climbers to still have Nana onboard would be either:

1. Have Nana visibly tied down to Popo and have her closely follow him at all times. Somewhat like how Duck Hunt has Dog and Duck together. The only reason Nana would need to separate is for the Belay recovery. It could easily be swapped for the Condor lift like others have suggested.

2. Have Popo in basic form be on his own, but have Nana appear from hammerspace and attack only when required (for smash attacks and specials)

Though honestly I am nothing of a game programmer so I'd imagine some difficulty still lies.
My hope is that NX is the next home console that launches with an Ultimate Edition that contains both Wii U and 3DS stages and a few exclusive characters like the Ice Climbers. That's at least the idea that's been floating around.

 

[Violenceman]

As someone who only owns the 3DS version, if I found out one of my favorite characters would be coming returning as a Wii U exclusive, I would honestly be pretty salty about it. I certainly understand where everyone else is coming from, but i hope the Wii U players could see how us 3DS folks might feel about there being just one character we won't be getting and it being a popular veteran.

I'm not a fan of SoPo (although I would take it, if offered) any more than I am a fan of having Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon split up since it reduces the unique factors that made them so much fun. I would prefer if Nana's autonomy was tuned down and she behaved a little more like Luma so the two climbers could stay together.

 

[dangeraaron10]

The thing is, according to Sakurai, he tried everything in his power to make the IC's work. Removing every bone he could, even trying to remove gravity still didn't make them work. Olimar only barely got in and even he had to lose half his pikmin. The IC's are sadly not coming this installment. I don't think a lot of people would be okay with SoPo because it's...no longer the Ice Climbers. And Sakurai already made his stance clear on exclusive characters.

Frankly I wouldn't mind the Wii U getting Ice Climbers exclusively but I know a lot of people would mind very much.

 

[MacDaddyNook]

I think everyone is underestimating the 3DS and its market base. Let's face it, sadly the Wii U was a flop from the start and hasn't recovered since, and Nintendo shifting focus to the NX isn't exactly the best sign. Meanwhile, the 3DS is dancing circles around the circles it's dancing around the Wii U, PS4 and XBox One combined. From a business perspective, it wouldn't make sense to alienate half, if not more, of the customers, and potential customers, just to appease one fraction of the fans.

I know someone might try to counter this by saying it'd bring more sales to the Wii U, but the truth it, it'd be negligible, if any at all. if Mario Kart and Smash Bros can barely up the system's sales, a single character wont make an impact. Making them exclusive would only doom them to be the lowest selling DLC by simply halving, at least, the market for them.

To compare costs, we're forgetting that for every player to play together, each person must have a 3DS and the copy of the game. While the game is $20 less than its home console counterpart, it has to be sold three more times to have a four-person match. In the long run, the 3DS is the most expensive version, and thus the more profitable in Nintendo's eyes.

I want them in the game very much, they are my second most wanted "character." Is it fair to their fans that they are cut? Absolutely not. But it's even less fair to alienate the 3DS fans by either excluding them or giving them an inferior product as compromise. And with the 3DS by far outselling the Wii U, it's just not a smart idea from a business standpoint.

Personally, I would rather see them "dumb down" Nana to function like Luma or adhere them together like Duck Hunt to make them work. We may lose the ability to desync, but we still keep what makes them special and could make them work. I think that's a compromise all fans can accept.

 

[udime123]

Honestly, I don't care for Ice Climbers. And I'm getting tired of all the DLC being cut veterans. I expect them all back eventually, but out of the four characters we got, three were just guys we've already seen. But I digress. The thing about Ice Climbers is that, everyone says that their iconic for being two in one, but in all honesty, Ice Climbers was simply a two-player game. You could beat the entire game just playing as Popo, and I persoanlly think it's more fun that way. So, the only reason Ice Climbers should have both Popo and Nana is the same reason that we already have so many cut characters: people are too scared of losing their previous mains. I have to admit, if R.O.B got cut, I'd be the same way, but I think people have to move on and live with just one Ice Climber on their 3DS or just deal with none at all and go play as them in Melee or Project M or Brawl. Just because they aren't in the current game doesn't mean you'll never play them again, you just have to go back and enjoy them. Now, sorry for the rant, becauze I entirely see why people want cut characters like IC back so badly, that was just my take on the subject.