PAC-MAN's Frame Data [Deleted]

[KuroganeHammer]

Link to PAC-MAN's Complete Frame Data: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/PAC-MAN​

 

[Nu~]

Link to PAC-MAN's Complete Frame Data: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/PAC-MAN​

Ayyyy!!
Thanks man! We really needed this

 

[dragontamer]

Actually, that roll data is what I've been needing.

The differences between characters's rolls really challenges me, especially when opponents pick obscure characters with very different rolls (ie: Samus's late roll).

I know the project isn't complete, but thanks for working on this! This game really has an absurd amount of information, and its great to see it (beginning to be) collected in one place.

 

[Jepps]

could you do kirby next? Thanks in advance!!

 

[PEPESPAIN]

Can you explain what's FAF? Is it the whole frames duration?

 

[dragontamer]

Can you explain what's FAF? Is it the whole frames duration?

It is explained in the glossary.

Basically, it is "First Actionable Frame". This is important, because the "whole frames" of Pac-Man's Fair is rather long, but it has a very early IASA on frame 26. Understanding that Fair autocancels at 43 but is IASA on 26 is a very important distinction, especially because the 16f landing lag is quite significant!

 

[PEPESPAIN]

It is explained in the glossary.

Basically, it is "First Actionable Frame". This is important, because the "whole frames" of Pac-Man's Fair is rather long, but it has a very early IASA on frame 26. Understanding that Fair autocancels at 43 but is IASA on 26 is a very important distinction, especially because the 16f landing lag is quite significant!

Thanks, I didn't see it

 

[fromundaman]

Wow how did I only just now see this? This is amazing, thank you!

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to get ledge roll frame data?

 

[BSP]

It varies by character, as well as the type of throw.

I assume you're asking regarding Pac-Man specifically, so taken from sixriver:

• Forward: 8F
• Back: 11F
  
• Up: 12F
  
• Down: 7F
  
• Dash: 5F
  
• Discard (grounded neutral-Z): 6F

Reposting this here, as it's quite relevant. This is item toss frame data.

So throwing BF from hand while standing is 4 frames faster and can be done OoS. A dash throw is more than twice as fast as a normal BF throw.

 

[PEPESPAIN]

Dash throw is faster than forward throw?? I don't feel it like that

 

[fromundaman]

I can see that actually as it seems to leave his hand before the dash throw animation starts. That said, the end lag on it is considerably worse.

 

[BSP]

KuroganeHammer

Did you ever say why the Fruits' knockback numbers and such aren't there? I'm asking because if they weren't readily accessible to you, are the people who data mine the patches looking for Pac-Man's fruits? There may be changes that we miss.

 

[QUBiX]

How do we calculate the end lag of moves? Also, Is there a known formula for BKB/KBG as well, or can we only get that from the 'MasterCore?' There's a lot missing from this frame data compilation..

 

[KuroganeHammer]

There's a lot missing from this frame data compilation..

Example please. Feedback is always welcome.

 

[QUBiX]

Well I was wanting to know the frame advantage of pac-man's normals/smashes. which is why I was trying to find their endlag because that's the only thing I don't know about them atm.. also I was wanting to find the BKB/KBG of Bonus Fruit because only the Key has those statistics. I was trying to figure out how to use Dantarion's MasterCore, but I didn't know which moves are what in the data dump.

EDIT: I would also like to thank you for your effort in compiling all the frame data for not only pacman, but sm4sh as a whole.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Endlag = FAF - 1

 

[fromundaman]

Well I was wanting to know the frame advantage of pac-man's normals/smashes. which is why I was trying to find their endlag because that's the only thing I don't know about them atm.. also I was wanting to find the BKB/KBG of Bonus Fruit because only the Key has those statistics. I was trying to figure out how to use Dantarion's MasterCore, but I didn't know which moves are what in the data dump.

EDIT: I would also like to thank you for your effort in compiling all the frame data for not only pacman, but sm4sh as a whole.

I too would like to know the endlag. I know we're negative on a lot of our moveset, but I'd like to know exactly how much.

 

[Paper Maribro]

KuroganeHammer

Did you ever say why the Fruits' knockback numbers and such aren't there? I'm asking because if they weren't readily accessible to you, are the people who data mine the patches looking for Pac-Man's fruits? There may be changes that we miss.

They're articles and aren't in the same data pool as everything else. Aero told me before he doesn't have access to any BF data. Idk who would man

 

[KuroganeHammer]

This guide has been removed and is no longer available.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

This guide has been removed and is no longer available.

 

[dragontamer]

Unstickied. I really like this resource though, even if the frame data is old.