Out of Shield Options frame data

[Wiseman.]

-------------=Out of Shield Options=-------------
Comment: This text explains how many frames it takes for hitboxes to come out for the most commonly used moves out of shield. I have not been able to test shield dropping, but according to other sources
it would let you use an aerial after 2 frames, which allows you to shave off a few frames on such moves. As I began working on this on the 25th of December, you could supposedly call it a Christmas present from me.

All sidesteps give you invincibility on frame 2.
All rolls give you invincibility on frame 4.

Samus
Dair: 21 frames
DownB: 13 frames (partially invincible on frames 13-31 and 33-46)
UpB: 5 frames (invincible on frames 2-6)
Uair: 8 frames
Usmash: 13 frames
Grab: 18 frames
Nair: 8 frames
Bair: 12 frames
Fair: 7 frames

Yoshi
Grab: 18 frames

Link
Grab: 11 frames
UpB: 9 frames
Nair: 10 frames
Uair: 11 frames
Bair: 12 frames
Usmash: 12 frames
Fair: 20 frames
Bomb toss: 7 frames
Dair: 19 frames

Fox
Nair: 7 frames
Bair: 7 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Fair: 9 frames
Shine: 4 frames (invincible on frame 4)
Usmash: 8 frames (head is invincible on frames 2-10)
Uair: 11 frames (first hit) 14 (second hit)
Dair: 8 frames

Falco
Nair: 9 frames
Bair: 9 frames
Fair: 11 frames
Shine: 6 frames (invincible on frame 6)
Grab: 7 frames
Dair: 10 frames
Uair: 13 frames (first hit) 16 (second hit)
Usmash: 8 frames (head is invincible on frames 2-11)

Luigi
UpB: 7 frames (invincible on frames 6-9)
Grab: 7 frames
Nair: 7 frames
Usmash: 10 frames (head is invincible on frames 10-12)
Dair: 14 frames
Uair: 9 frames
Bair: 10 frames
Fair: 11 frames

Sheik
Usmash: 13 frames (first hit) 15 (second hit) (arms are invincible on frames 13-17)
Grab: 7 frames
Nair: 6 frames
Bair: 7 frames
Fair: 8 frames
Uair: 8 frames
Dair: 18 frames

Dr. Mario
UpB: 4 frames (invincible on frame 4)
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 10 frames (head is invincible on frames 10-12)
Nair: 7 frames
Bair: 10 frames
Dair: 14 frames
Uair: 8 frames
Fair: 22 frames

Marth
UpB: 6 frames (invincible on frame 6)
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 14 frames
Dair: 10 frames
Uair: 9 frames
Fair: 8 frames
Nair: 10 frames (first hit) 19 (second hit)
Bair: 11 frames
DownB: 9 frames

Mr. Game & Watch
UpB: 2 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 25 frames (head is invincible on frames 25-29)
Nair: 24 frames
Dair: 16 frames
Bair: 14 frames
Uair: 11 frames (first hit) 25 (second hit)
Fair: 14 frames

Captain Falcon
UpB: 14 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 22 frames (first hit) 28 (second hit)
Uair: 10 frames
Nair: 11 frames
Dair: 20 frames
Bair: 14 frames
Fair: 18 frames

Donkey Kong
UpB: 4 frames (invincible on frames 4-6)
Grab: 8 frames
Usmash: 15 frames (arms and head are invincible on frames 13-17)
Uair: 11 frames
Dair: 23 frames
Bair: 12 frames
Nair: 15 frames
Fair: 30 frames

Mario
UpB: 4 frames (invincible on frames 4-7)
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 10 frames (head is invincible on frames 10-12)
Nair: 7 frames
Bair: 10 frames
Fair: 22 frames
Uair: 8 frames
Dair: 14 frames

Bowser
UpB: 6 frames (fully invincible on frames 2-5, stomach is invincible on frames 7-50)
Grab: 9 frames
Usmash: 17 frames (invincible on frames 17-18)
Dair: 22 frames
Fair: 16 frames
Bair: 17 frames
Nair: 16 frames
Uair: 30 frames

Peach
UpB: 7 frames (invincible on frame 4)
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 14 frames (arms are invincible on frames 14-23)
Dair: 17 frames
Fair: 21 frames
Bair: 11 frames
Nair: 8 frames
Uair: 12 frames
Turnip toss: 10 frames

Jigglypuff
Usmash: 8 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Uair: 14 frames
Nair: 11 frames
Fair: 12 frames
Bair: 14 frames
Dair: 10 frames
Rest: 6 frames (invincible on frames 6-31)

Ganondorf
UpB: 14 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 22 frames (first hit) 27 (second hit)
Uair: 12 frames
Nair: 13 frames
Bair: 16 frames
Fair: 20 frames
Dair: 22 frames

Ice Climbers
UpB: 26 frames (other climber is invincible on frames 14-25)
Bair: 11 frames
Dair: 6 frames
Fair: 22 frames
Nair: 9 frames
Uair: 9 frames
Usmash: 15 frames
Grab: 7 frames

Kirby
UpB: 24 frames
Usmash: 14 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Nair: 13 frames
Fair: 13 frames
Bair: 9 frames
Uair: 14 frames
Dair: 21 frames

Pikachu
Usmash: 9 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Nair: 6 frames
Bair: 7 frames
Fair: 13 frames
Uair: 6 frames
Dair: 17 frames

Young Link
UpB: 9 frames
Usmash: 12 frames
Grab: 11 frames
Nair: 8 frames
Fair: 18 frames
Bair: 10 frames
Uair: 9 frames
Dair: 17 frames
Bomb toss: 7 frames

Roy
UpB: 10 frames (invincible on frame 10)
Usmash: 16 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Fair: 10 frames
Dair: 12 frames
Bair: 13 frames
Nair: 12 frames (first hit) 22 (second hit)
Uair: 10 frames
DownB: 13 frames

Ness
Usmash: 13 frames
Grab: 8 frames
Fair: 12 frames
Dair: 24 frames
Nair: 9 frames
Uair: 12 frames
Bair: 14 frames

Pichu
Usmash: 10 frames
Grab: 7 frames
Nair: 6 frames
Fair: 13 frames
Bair: 7 frames
Uair: 7 frames
Dair: 17 frames

Zelda
Usmash: 6 frames
Grab: 12 frames
Nair: 12 frames
Fair: 14 frames
Bair: 11 frames
Uair: 20 frames
Dair: 20 frames

Mewtwo
Grab: 7 frames
Usmash: 10 frames
Nair: 10 frames
Fair: 10 frames
Dair: 23 frames
Bair: 17 frames
Uair: 14 frames

 

[metalreflectslime]

I like this thread. Request for sticky.

 

[Bones0]

Wiseman is wise.

Awesome thread is awesome.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

omg at docs up b.

upb cancel oos is better than i thought

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

sheik's nair is frame 7 don't give them flase hope and fox's shine would be frame 5 right?

really http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/frames.html add in jump times if needed.

yeah didn't you know how fast mario's up-B came out? however the lag ruins it.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Wavedash OOS = Character's jump startup + 10 frames landing lag

 

[Roneblaster]

oh good, i've been wondering that forever. how long is a shield drop?

 

[Pi]

Wavedash OOS = Character's jump startup + 10 frames landing lag

+ any delay between becoming airborne and air dodging, and landing

 

[Nø Ca$h]

game and watches up b is 1 frame...

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

game and watches up b is 1 frame...

Really? No way..

And, do Marth soon please!

 

[KirbyKaze]

@ 3

So what I said +1 (or more if they're sloppy)

 

[outofdashdwz]

Yoshi
Grab: 18 frames

At first I laughed, then I was sad

Good thread! Can't wait til it's done. Thanks

 

[Wiseman.]

sheik's nair is frame 7 don't give them flase hope and fox's shine would be frame 5 right?

Sadly, you're wrong. Sheik's neutral air out of shield has the following data:
1-3 Jump startup
4-5 Nair startup
6 Nair hits

Thusly, it does not take 7 frames. Fox's Shine out of shield takes 4 frames as he can Shine on the first frame that he's airborne on, which happens to be frame 4.

On a related note, I've finished the OP. Currently, I'm planning to investigate and add how many frames of shield stun you receive from various moves, and hopefully I'll be able to post a little about it before this year reaches its end.

 

[Roneblaster]

HOW LONG DOES A SHIELD DROP TAKE?!
caps

 

[KirbyKaze]

smash statistics thingy by mew2king has it

for most relevant characters it's your wd time + 1 or 2 frames iirc

 

[P.C. Jona]

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10char

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i dont know why people dont ***** about sheiks bair.. it comes out as fast as marths fair and has significantly more range

 

[P.C. Jona]

because bair is behind her... ?

 

[Rubyiris]

how many frames is dropping down a platform from shield?

 

[Strong Badam]

HOW LONG DOES A SHIELD DROP TAKE?!
caps

Shield Release Recovery Time - this rates how much of a lag there is after you release the shield button (R, L, and sometimes used is Z).

Group A
---14 frames recovery time
---3 characters: Jigglypuff / Peach / Zelda

Group B
---15 frames recovery time
---14 characters: DK / Dr. Mario / Falco / Fox / Ice Climbers / Kirby / Link / Luigi / Mario / Ness / Pichu / Pikachu / Sheik / Young Link

Group C
---16 frames recovery time
---8 characters: Bowser / Captain Falcon / Ganondorf / Marth / Mewtwo / Mr. Game & Watch / Roy / Samus

Group D
---17 frames recovery time
---1 character: Yoshi

really guys.

also, I think OP is wrong on some accounts. whenever you need to JC something such as Up-B or Up-Smash, you should be adding 1 frame because you can't jump and perform the attack on the same frame.

rubyiris: iirc shield drop takes 2 frames after you input it.

 

[Wiseman.]

Strong Bad, I have already counted in the JC frame in my data. Also, no offense taken, but I'm interested in hearing what accounts you believe me to be wrong on.

 

[Pi]

Sadly, you're wrong. Sheik's neutral air out of shield has the following data:
1-3 Jump startup
4-5 Nair startup
6 Nair hits

Thusly, it does not take 7 frames. Fox's Shine out of shield takes 4 frames as he can Shine on the first frame that he's airborne on, which happens to be frame 4.

On a related note, I've finished the OP. Currently, I'm planning to investigate and add how many frames of shield stun you receive from various moves, and hopefully I'll be able to post a little about it before this year reaches its end.

http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/frames.html

sdm has the shield hitstun for some moves already

 

[ss118]

What about sheik's up b OoS?

 

[Strong Badam]

^....37 frames?

Strong Bad, I have already counted in the JC frame in my data. Also, no offense taken, but I'm interested in hearing what accounts you believe me to be wrong on.

oh, if you counted the JC frame then all the data should be correct. my bad.

 

[slartibartfast42]

Can't yoshi drop his shield faster than other characters to make up for the fact that he can't jump out of it? I think that if he drops his shield and uses downsmash or jab it's faster than his grab out of shield. you should put data for his other moves after dropping his shield, if not just how long it takes to drop it.

 

[mers]

Jesus. GnW's up-B is nuts.

EDIT:

Can't yoshi drop his shield faster than other characters to make up for the fact that he can't jump out of it? I think that if he drops his shield and uses downsmash or jab it's faster than his grab out of shield. you should put data for his other moves after dropping his shield, if not just how long it takes to drop it.

I've always thought that was an illusion because of the fact that his shield drop animation isn't as obvious as other characters. So it looks like he's attacking sooner after his shield drop starts than he really is.

But IDK, I'd love to know for sure.

 

[Strong Badam]

takes 17 frames for yoshi. i posted the list in post #20. unless you're convinced that Yoshi has a 1-frame move, grab is the fastest thing he's got.

 

[-ACE-]

Lol, jona is easily one of my favorite posters nowadays.

Thanks for posting this.

 

[V3ctorMan]

takes 17 frames for yoshi. i posted the list in post #20. unless you're convinced that Yoshi has a 1-frame move, grab is the fastest thing he's got.

Or a "parry" which elminates all hitlag... so Yoshi's shield > the cast. just sayin ^^

/troll post

<3 you guys

play yoshi.

 

[ViciousEnd]

What about Peach double jump out of shield downsmash? Rarely, if ever, used, but still pretty nasty to get caught by.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Jesus. GnW's up-B is nuts.

.

Too bad it's actually terrible for escaping shield pressure.

Unless you want to quickly escape to a top platform. I'll try it more against falcos that I play against. It beats being stuck in lightsheild all the time.

 

[Roneblaster]

thank you strongbad

 

[Acryte]

aaaw, yoshi fail

if only he had them options, and could down B for height like he does when on the ground, in the air :O
somebody needs to find some superjump glitch with egg roll

Now we need a thread with frame data for shield hitstun for moves

 

[Jekyll]

Wiseman. Doesn't the hitbox for Luigi's Up+B start on the same frame as his invincibility (Frame 5 of the attack, or frame 6 OOS)?

Edit: ...That magic moment when you realize the thread is ancient...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I should go figure out the wavedash and shield drop actions as well at some point.

 

[SunnieHD]

omg at docs up b.

upb cancel oos is better than i thought

Doc secondary is looking strong now kappa

 

[SunnieHD]

because bair is behind her... ?

And because it hits diagonal up, Marth fair swings forward

 

[Blixen]

Thank you so much I was going to write this down and lab but you already had it THANK YOU SO SO MUCH