Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[A Distant Demon]

As much as I hate to say it, this sums up the thread pretty much right now.

Why don't we all just take a few steps back and relax for a few moments?

replace "he" with "physical contact in a video game"

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If they just straight up went for sexual it would be less creepy IMO

 

[Fenriraga]

replace "he" with "physical contact in a video game"

I SAY... WE TIP SOMETHING OVER!

*Pushes over the Nintendo Treehouse*

...Now what?

...GET THE LOCALIZERS!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

About 2 minutes.


I legitimately have to put in an effort to restrain myself from outright telling someone off in the worst possible manner if they anger me, but some things do end up slipping through the cracks.

If you have anything to say to me, you can PM me, maybe I can learn

 

[Oasis Dealer]

To be fair, the Pokémon-amie was needed for some evolutions, so it wasn't exactly "optional" in some cases. Same with the Dream Eaters in DDD.

But it's a fair point regardless. Animals vs Humans after all.




Can we all please take these as a sign to step back and breathe for a minute, everyone? Please?

Regardless, to those stepping out, sorry things turned out this way.

And I now suddenly remember that's how Sylveon was obtained lol. Regardless, I still would have liked something different than FE amie.

 

[Opossum]

I'm gonna ask everyone to calm down. Inflammatory posts from here on in will be infracted harshly. Some people seem to be incapable of debating civilly.

Do not continue to fight. Debating is one thing, fighting is another. Don't even respond to this. Just drop it.

 

[Substitution]

So I think I've found the best way to play Sm4sh:
Have a couple characters maxed out in power with customs and 0.5 knockback. The damage you can rack up from a combo or two is astounding.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I SAY... WE TIP SOMETHING OVER!

*Pushes over the Nintendo Treehouse"

...Now what?

...GET THE LOCALIZERS!

"I said Tip the SCALES. I didnt say anything about tipping over other things!"

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've been regularly checking in for more news regarding Pikmin 4.

I've been a huge fan of the little series for many years (I played the sequel when I was really young. Unfortunately, we couldn't find any copies of the first game at the time so I had to go with playing the second game before the first.) and I really liked how Pikmin 3 turned out as well, so I'm looking forward to how they'll expand upon the gameplay, as well as the storyline in the next game.

 

[Deleted member]

"I said Tip the SCALES. I didnt say anything about tipping over other things!"

Completely unrelated, but that gives me an idea for a comic involving a disgusted WFT seeing a fat Robin "tip the (weight) scales"....

But of course, that brings the whole "inflation" stigma I'm not going for. I just want a sight gag.

EDIT:
Found a better way.
Robin says "Time to tip the scales".

So Dedede, Wario, and Bowser do just that much to WFT's disgust.

 

[Shroob]

Completely unrelated, but that gives me an idea for a comic involving a disgusted WFT seeing a fat Robin "tip the (weight) scales"....

But of course, that brings the whole "inflation" stigma I'm not going for. I just want a sight gag.

Out there, somewhere, you just gave a DeviantArtist an idea.

 

[Substitution]

"I said Tip the SCALES. I didnt say anything about tipping over other things"

Am I doing this right?

 

[ChikoLad]

It's context that's key.

With Hateful Eight, it's expected going in. When you watch a Tarantino film, you expect things like that. The violence is part of the package. And for the record, no one in my theater laughed at those parts, but that's anecdotal.

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It's also different since both of those characters were antagonists to begin with.

As well, film is a much more established medium with a far larger audience than games.

Games still have a bit of a stigma, no matter how much some try to deny it. Gaming is still much more of a subculture. People aren't going to be as judged when they go see a movie as they would be by playing a game. Fire Emblem, at its core, is an incredibly niche strategy RPG. This isn't even the type of game that goes against the whole "stigma against games" thing, which only the top-billed AAA titles manage to go against.

Naturally, to the general public, especially in a country where things like face-petting random anime-styled people is considered incredibly weird, there will be a stigma. Those things have connotations. Unpleasant, creepy ones. Like, the neckbeard/basement dweller kinds. A harsh reality, but it's the truth. So naturally, people will be turned off by it. They don't want to be associated with that stigma.

It's especially bad for fans of Fire Emblem pre-Fates. It helps promote that sort of stigma in a game series that had managed to avoid it for the most part. It's incredibly divisive even in the series' own fanbase. And it's not even like a pre-Awakening/post-Awakening thing either...from what I've seen, even most of the Awakening fans are put off by the feature, myself included.

I'll still be getting Fates, as I love Fire Emblem. But at the same time, the whole petting thing was always something that made me cringe. How could I take that game traveling while people on a bus can see it? What if they see it and think, "Oh, that's the game with the creepy weeb **** in it" out of earshot? To a lot of people, many people, that matters. It doesn't matter if it's optional, it exists. That's all most people need. This game, for me, would have been a behind-closed-doors guilty-pleasure no-one-can-know type of game for me. The social stigma associated with something like face-petting is too large for me to even consider otherwise. It's embarrassing.

And that's when you realize a feature may not be so great, to say the least. If a good portion of the fanbase is embarrassed to play the game due to the feature being present, it shouldn't be in the game. People can call it an unhealthy self-confidence issue all they like, but I see it more as a natural reaction to this kind of thing going back to basic evolutionary psychology (you get embarrassed about this kind of thing due to the stigma, which goes against the psychological need to fit in and be accepted). That's why, if the rumors are true and it's removed from the localized version, it'll be a huge relief. I'd no longer feel embarrassed to say I enjoy a Fire Emblem game. And honestly, that's a win for me, and likely a lot of other people.



So yeah, that got kinda ranty, and it's not directed at you in particular, but I felt as though I should say my piece.

While I understand this viewpoint, I don't consider this a valid criticism towards the game or developer itself, or a valid reason to demand content be fully removed from a game.

Games don't exist to boost your self-confidence or social standing (they CAN do that but it's not their intended purpose most of the time), or to bring it down, they exist for entertainment and for artists to express a vision.

At the end of the day, if someone is making fun of you for playing a game on the bus or something, it falls on you and you alone to be able to deal with that, be that with just not playing the game on the bus, or shrugging it off and continuing to enjoy yourself. It is not the responsibility of the developer to account for people's personal self-consciousness. Removing content from games (when there are ALTERNATIVES to removing it) because people feel embarrassed to engage in it, is just as much under the definition of pandering, as including sexual content for people who demand sexual stimulation from your game when it otherwise isn't about that (and I don't even think FE Fates does this much beyond some of the dialogue).

Different people play different games under different contexts, and developers cannot and should not be expected to account for this given the amount of responsibilities they already have. It is up to the player to choose to play the game in a context that THEY feel is personally appropriate for them and their environment and lifestyle.

 

[Fenriraga]

I've been regularly checking in for more news regarding Pikmin 4.

I've been a huge fan of the little series for many years (I played the sequel when I was really young. Unfortunately, we couldn't find any copies of the first game at the time so I had to go with playing the second game before the first.) and I really liked how Pikmin 3 turned out as well, so I'm looking forward to how they'll expand upon the gameplay, as well as the storyline in the next game.

It is really weird hearing about all these NX possibilities, even hearing that Pikmin 4 is practically DONE, yet we still don't even know what the system is.

I honestly miss the giant world Pikmin 2 had. I know Pikmin works better as a speed running, survival kind of game, but there was something really fun about all the dungeons in Pikmin 2. I'd like to see a kind of return to that.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I've been regularly checking in for more news regarding Pikmin 4.

I've been a huge fan of the little series for many years (I played the sequel when I was really young. Unfortunately, we couldn't find any copies of the first game at the time so I had to go with playing the second game before the first.) and I really liked how Pikmin 3 turned out as well, so I'm looking forward to how they'll expand upon the gameplay, as well as the storyline in the next game.

Telling us Pikmin 4 existed and then leaving us in the dark for months was such a huge tease. The fact we haven't gotten any news since is excruciating

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah, they probably took the feedback to heart and secretly worked to polish and redesign it, to make a more fleshed out and friendly original spinoff that would appeal to everyone. Seems to have worked to as it got trendy and well received by the trailer pretty fast!

As long as the villain still isn't a blue Pikachu like they originally intended, I think this game should do fine.

 

[Deleted member]

As long as the villain still isn't a blue Pikachu like they originally intended, I think this game should do fine.

But.....but....Pikablu.....

 

[Substitution]

But.....but....Pikablu.....

He's dead, Golden.

 

[Deleted member]

He's dead, Golden.

Shut up!
*sobs*
It's......NOT TRUE!


*runs away crying*

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I found a screenshot on the internet

Pikablu is obviously true

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Shut up!
*sobs*
It's......NOT TRUE!


*runs away crying*

Look on the bright side, Pikablu is more alive than Maria will ever be

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Look on the bright side, Pikablu is more alive than Maria will ever be

You really know how to kick a man in the nuts, don't ya?

 

[A Distant Demon]

You really know how to kick a man in the nuts, don't ya?

Im not sure Shadow even has those. They surely aren't visible.

Not much use to GIVE them when you are creating an ultimate lifeform anyway. Unless Gerald was really ****ed up when he created Shadow >_>

 

[Substitution]

You really know how to kick a man in the nuts, don't ya?

Oh God your avatar!
Those eyes see into my soul...

 

[Burruni]

You really know how to kick a man in the nuts, don't ya?

What nuts?
What purpose would a bioweapon have for nuts?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

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What the **** even IS this avi?

You really know how to kick a man in the nuts, don't ya?

You don't know a tenth of it

 

[A Distant Demon]

What nuts?
What purpose would a bioweapon have for nuts?

You know. . .for once it is relevant. Now I have to post it.

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[Schnee117]

You really know how to kick a man in the nuts, don't ya?

She does worse than that.
I'll let Grif be an example

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Maid Shadow. I have a version of him in a roleplay that likes to crossdress. That is all.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

It is really weird hearing about all these NX possibilities, even hearing that Pikmin 4 is practically DONE, yet we still don't even know what the system is.

I honestly miss the giant world Pikmin 2 had. I know Pikmin works better as a speed running, survival kind of game, but there was something really fun about all the dungeons in Pikmin 2. I'd like to see a kind of return to that.

You have no idea how much I would love that.

Back when the game was still pretty new to me, I had ages of fun just farming Pikmin, fighting and collecting enemies and other supplies, exploring the maps, going through all those new caverns, etc. One thing I particularly liked is that nearly every single dungeon floor in the game was randomly generated. The themes would always be the same, but the layouts were always different from one and other, with different placement of treasures and enemies, meaning you'd have to change your strategy and explore something new each time. All things considered and how they could expand on it further with greater technology, I'd love to see the dungeon aspect of the series make a return. And while I wouldn't beg for it to be added, I've always liked the idea of a Pikmin game with a "Cave Editor" so that you could build and create your own challenge levels, and share them through an online feature so that other players could play them.

I wouldn't mind another game in the series with a time limit either though, as long as it isn't like the original. The gameplay of the first one was still great, unique, and what began the series entirely leaving room for more improvement on it, but the 30 day limit always felt kind of suffocating to me. I like how they handled the time limit in Pikmin 3 much better.

Telling us Pikmin 4 existed and then leaving us in the dark for months was such a huge tease. The fact we haven't gotten any news since is excruciating

Agreed. That's why I check every single day. I'm eager to find out more about the game.

On the bright-side, it's probably safe to say it won't be nearly as bad with the wait for Pikmin 3, which I think is a fine example of a development hell.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Maid Shadow. I have a version of him in a roleplay that likes to crossdress. That is all.

Knowing you this isn't sarcasm. I am perplexed and intrigued. And a tiny little bit disgusted.



Playlist came to this song. May as well

 

[Cutie Gwen]

She does worse than that.
I'll let Grif be an example

And that's only if I don't get something to munch on

 

[Z25]

As long as the villain still isn't a blue Pikachu like they originally intended, I think this game should do fine.

True, although I think it could still work. I liked the concept people had of the blue pikachu being a hologram by Team Flare, meant to trick the police and frame pikachu for crimes. I still think that somehow it will connect to the maingames. It's also worth noting that the city seems based on Boston and at one point they go investigate a cafe it seems. Which is a reason as to why I think it could go back to XY. Because in XY Team Flare's base is inside a cafe owned by Lysandre. Maybe something similar will happen here. I do think it be cool if we have to take down some big, actual crime syndicate in the game though.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Maid Shadow. I have a version of him in a roleplay that likes to crossdress. That is all.

That isn't creepy at all. Not in the slightest.

(Still think he's cool and edgy, Eggman?)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Knowing you this isn't sarcasm. I am perplexed and intrigued. And a tiny little bit disgusted.



Playlist came to this song. May as well

Well, I was born male, and identify as female. Is it so odd to have one character that crossdresses?

And no, not sarcasm. No need for it. He's one of my most fun choices. I love his over the top hamminess.

That isn't creepy at all. Not in the slightest.

(Still think he's cool and edgy, Eggman?)

Probably does.

 

[ChikoLad]

On the topic of Fire Emblem, and even loosely on Fates:

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"Everyone, look at my wares!"
"I build for my friends!"

"Time to tip the scales!....after a burger or two..."

"My path is clear!"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That isn't creepy at all. Not in the slightest.

(Still think he's cool and edgy, Eggman?)

The maid outfit has been torn slightly with bloodstains and the word '****' written on it with permanent marker, so yeah

 

[Schnee117]

And that's only if I don't get something to munch on

And I doubt cones protect people there.

 

[Substitution]

Maid Shadow. I have a version of him in a roleplay that likes to crossdress. That is all.

...Where do you go that I can't follow?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Pikmin 2 was also my favorite of the series but I do admit there's something satisfying about getting in a full "work day" and completing everything you wanted to do just as the sunset counter kicks in. The Pikmin games are oddly serene and stressful at the same time. It's like taking a math exam but someone's giving you a shoulder rub the whole time.