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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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I feel like there is a difference between hypocrisy and pulling a 180 after being shown something new.


90% of the fanbase thought cloud was a terrible idea. Then we were shown him in action and he was so damn impressive. It makes sense prople would chamge their minds.

Ok so about half the people fell victim to confirmation bias and it being awesome had nothing to do with it but only bwcause sakurai showed it off. . . My point still stands on the shaky legs it has.

Changing on new evidence is completely different than acting differently than what you say.
I don't think the majority of people thought Cloud would be bad

I think they just viewed him as impossible

At most some thought other FF characters fit in with nIntendo more or that a FF character that fit in with Nintendo more would make it over Cloud
 

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I thought the Godzilla creepy pasta was kinda dumb (the writing at times felt... really poorly written at spots and it was kinda cheesy). And I thought the sprite work was really unrealistic for the NES. Toooo many things that were a give away.


The only creepy pasta I've ever really enjoyed was Ben Drowned while it lasted
 
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I thought the Godzilla creepy pasta was kinda dumb. And I thought the sprite work was really unrealistic for the NES. Toooo many things that were a give away.


The only creepy pasta I've ever really enjoyed was Ben Drowned while it lasted
Oh no, you are right

The NES could not handle a lot of those sprites

I thought some of them were pretty well done though
 

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It depends actually. I do have funds set up.

Once I learn Spanish and get my Insurance License, I'm gonna be an insurance agent selling some in Cancun.
Spanish really isn't that all hard to learn, coming from someone who moved here without any knowledge of it at all.

You'll develop an obvious Spanglish accent, though.
 

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BREAKING NEWS gaming news sites are bad at verifying facts, and often add their own information into a story.

Oh wait...that was already known. My bad :p.

Anyway the new Pokemon Deck will have mostly X/Y cards, and not reprints of the original run.
.......honestly remove the link and that is still true lol :)

I mean, you did found stuff about Sakurai that contradicted what everyone and the news told :)
 

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Oh no, you are right

The NES could not handle a lot of those sprites

I thought some of them were pretty well done though
Yeah some of the sprites are actually pretty well made regardless of the limitations. Props for that.
 

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So.
On... better notes.
OFF OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I'm gonna go, series-by-series, and basically run over the biggest current candidates in each series and kinda reflect on their hopes with Smash 5, in a similar vain to the great work ChronoBound did before the game released.
Namely... make sure to highlight any oversights you see. Characters as a whole, notable evidence for a character I missed, or if I'm just talking out my rear.

Day 1: :4mario:

With the double-feature inclusions of :4bowserjr: and :rosalina: in Smash 4, the Mario series as a whole had honestly gotten pretty much the biggest names for it on lock. The way I see it, there are currently three big avenues if there is to be expansion.

1) (Captain) Toad - The last major character of the main games, even if people may argue the major part. Toad has had a popularity since Melee when it comes to requests and seems to only be growing with each installment. The character identity, in my opinion, cements a specific character instead of some of the possible argument for it just being "a generic toad." There is nothing, inherently, that Captain couldn't be able to that any standard Toad could. With Treasure Tracker being one of Nintendo's more experimental projects of being a budget title and I feel that, if he continues being used as he has since inception within Galaxy, he will be a sizable contender for Smash 5.

2) Paper Mario - The RPGs are one of the best wellsprings for new content within the Mario name outside the mainline series. With that there are three "branches" with Mario's RPGs. Super Mario RPG which I find there to be a small miracle that we got so much as a Geno costume and I really can't find faith for Geno to appear in spite of his Brawl-era popularity. Mario & Luigi RPGs are the ones that Nintendo seem to push the most but... it lacks any big standing characters for it who AREN'T just Mario & Luigi that would be able to be brung up. Fawful was the biggest option but was killed off in the conclusion of Bowser's Inside Story. That of course, leaves the namesake of the very distinct incarnation of Mario who people clamor for a proper sequel. He's, of course, got a legitimate amount of power behind him in terms of requests which is only more in his favor.

3) Waluigi or Daisy - Mario's "multiplayer" spinoffs such as Party, Kart, and the various sports games are one thing that certainly could be a pool to get material from. All at hand being two thirds of :4peach:'s forward Smash, two stages, and a handful of items (all from Kart). Both of these characters, as well, have a noticable amount of support behind them to the point of which Waluigi's popularity and "how hard he tried' being poked at, with tongue-in-cheek humor with his Assist Trophy's reveal. Now, I am considerably biased for Waluigi, but him making his steps to have already become an Assist Trophy, having far larger visual distinctness from the others of the series, being a more "zany" character with some more bizarre traits, and a seemingly larger fanbase among smash fans. Daisy is very much a popular character and a present rival for Waluigi in this niche, but I feel that he wins out in this situation.

And... I can't help but acknowledge

4) Nabbit - A... bit of a curveball. A character that sprung up as a small mechanic in New Super Mario Bros. Wii U and has stuck around longer than most expected. While not making the jump into Mario Party, Kart, or a standard Sports game, he did manage to be a stage hazard for the Mushroom Kingdom U stage and become one of the added characters for the Mario & Sonic Olympic roster. He has a level of a fandom, but he just doesn't seem to have a level of real impact in the series to be too large of a dog in the race.

Overall, with the main series now reaching 6 characters.. there is certainly a chance that Mario as a series won't get a newcomer as they did in Brawl, but I have confidence that it will come as it is still THE series for Nintendo and has some bigger names left to expand in.
You're pretty much spot on. With the Mario roster having nearly the complete main cast, it makes sense to add (Captain) Toad. One thing that makes me wonder about Nabbit is how popular he will become before 5mash. It's possible someone could pull a Waluigi and troll us with him being an AT. Right now, Nabbit is someone that I kinda want more than Waluigi and Daisy


"Cloud should stay far away from Smash Bros." - Me a week before Cloud's reveal

"W-What?! Wait... huh? Wait, what um, huh?" - Me on the second of his reveal

"OH ****" - when the FF7 battle songs kicked in

"OKAY I WAS WRONG." - Me after the reveal
Are you my twin? This was EXACTLY how I felt about Cloud...minus me going "Wtf is he doing on Smash?" for a few hours'




...well I see that I missed an argument. Here's my two cents:


- There's the ignore button for a reason. Use it.

- While I'm annoyed that Corrin and Bayo are the last two characters, they are called DLC for a reason. Don't like them? Don't buy them. Simple as that even though no one is forcing you to buy the DLC fighters. I mean...I was pissed about Robin's inclusion (some of you saw my rage moments upon Robin's reveal) and I calmed down after awhile after realizing that having Robin is not the end of the world. Yes, I'm disappointed that Bayo is the ballot winner and there are many other characters out there. Yes, I most likely will not buy her and that's my choice and decision. I don't need to just slam it on others (okay, minus the fact that I can be a little blunt, I do still believe there is a chance that Bayo could get the axe in the next Smash. Not gonna speak about that until the 2020's) because I wish not to have flame wars going on. It's the ****ing new year for ****'s sake and we already got hell raising in less than 24 hours (I'm eastern time so maybe I'm wrong depends on where you're from) is absurd.


So seriously, let's keep it chill before the mods throw some snowballs of bans on everyone. Okay? Okay



Let's make 2016 a great year, not sucking ass like 2015 :happysheep:




Now how great is Walking Dead? I mean...they got some kickass storylines regardless of it being predictable on the tv show sometimes
 
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the constitution says i have the right to free speech so you can't criticize me
 

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Spanish really isn't that all hard to learn, coming from someone who moved here without any knowledge of it at all.

You'll develop an obvious Spanglish accent, though.
I do hope so. It really doesn't depend on who's president because my country is already a ****hole no matter whose in office and it's mostly a pipedream anyway because it requires funds and expansive business knowledge to handle doing business in another country.


I know it isn't hard to learn but I want to speak it to where I don't get crucified for saying something wrong, I'm not Peggy Hill, I know my Spanish sucks
 
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the constitution says i have the right to free speech so you can't criticize me
Not be rude.... But what does that to do with anything right now?(I probably missed something.)

Though I agree. Free speech goes both ways.

Edit: Great, now everyone's going to think I'm the biggest idiot because I wasn't clear. :p
 
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So... I was planning on using my remaining money for Xenoblade 3D but I recently decided against it since XCX should keep me busy for a while.

That brings me to the question: Any 3DS eShop games you guys recommend?
 

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Not be rude.... But what does that to do with anything right now?(I probably missed something.)

Though I agree.
i think she was being sarcastic because free speech also includes allowing criticism :p

(also that free speech is constantly thrown around nowadays whenever someone says something bad as self defense)
 
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So...mom gave me the games and consoles that I bought for her a long time ago (long story) and she wanted to get rid of them. Looks like I'm gonna end up selling all of that tomorrow and hopefully have enough money with in-store credit. As much as I hate to get rid of any games, it must be done for the better
 

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So... I was planning on using my remaining money for Xenoblade 3D but I recently decided against it since XCX should keep me busy for a while.

That brings me to the question: Any 3DS eShop games you guys recommend?
i've heard steamworld heist is really good
pushmo's good too
 
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So... I was planning on using my remaining money for Xenoblade 3D but I recently decided against it since XCX should keep me busy for a while.

That brings me to the question: Any 3DS eShop games you guys recommend?
Assuming you dont have them. . .
Phoenix wright trilogy
Dillon's rolling western (only played some of the second but it was pretty damn good)
Stretchmo (i think it's that one)
Phoenix Wright trilogy
Shocel Knight (wii u version is probably better. . .)
Get xenoblade anyway (not my 2nd favorite fame ever or anything)
Phoenix wright 5
Phoenix wright trilogy
Kid Icarus
 

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So... I was planning on using my remaining money for Xenoblade 3D but I recently decided against it since XCX should keep me busy for a while.

That brings me to the question: Any 3DS eShop games you guys recommend?
Have you played Shantae and the Pirate's Curse? If not, I highly recommend that one.
 

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i think she was being sarcastic because free speech also includes allowing criticism :p

(also that free speech is constantly thrown around nowadays whenever someone says something bad as self defense)
One of my former co-workers often said "FREE SPEECH" to the point where no one would take him seriously based on his immature and reckless behavior

He lost his job a few months later
 

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Shocel Knight (wii u version is probably better. . .)
afaik the only actual difference is the whole nfc thing if you plan on using the amiibo
otherwise they're the same

easily superior to other versions, though, because of the touch screens for item swapping
 
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i think she was being sarcastic because free speech also includes allowing criticism :p

(also that free speech is constantly thrown around nowadays whenever someone says something bad as self defense)
Yes, I was 100% aware of that... I was just wondering if it had to do with... Well, anything at the moment. Because it seemed like a sarcastic reply to something.

I'm not THAT clueless. :p Ugh, this is so embarrasing...
 
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So... I was planning on using my remaining money for Xenoblade 3D but I recently decided against it since XCX should keep me busy for a while.

That brings me to the question: Any 3DS eShop games you guys recommend?
I would say to wait for Xenoblade to get released on the Wii U eShop.

Already happened in Europe, so it's only a matter of time for the US. It's the cheapest and best version of the game too.

As for 3DS eShop games...I played a demo of an eShop game once. I think it was called "Fractured Soul".

It was a puzzle platformer that involved switching the character's soul between two states that granted different abilities. I thought it was pretty cool.
 
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Decided to start a new save file for my Fire Emblem Awakening game... because I want to get ready for Fire Emblem Fates when it comes out next month, and the only time I'll really get to enjoy FE:Awakening is during my winter break when I'll have more free time.

Man, just playing FE:Awakening already brings back so many awesome memories (it's one of my favorite video games of all time), not to mention that this time I'll be sure not to repeat some big mistakes I made in my first play through (most notably, completely forgetting to have Miriel give Vaike his axe in Chapter 2 and accidentally killing Gaius in the chapter you recruit him:facepalm:).
 

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Happy New Year my SmashBoard Friends :)
A day late but hey better late than never right :p
Here's to an awesome 2016 :seuss:
Thanks for a ton of supportive tags guys. However, it seems there may actually be some good news on this front. Might be still doing work but under a different capacity. Can't say much yet, we'll figure it out soon :)
Your always welcome to hang out here dude. Thank you for the work you did on the boards over the years :)
 

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I feel like there is a difference between hypocrisy and pulling a 180 after being shown something new.


90% of the fanbase thought cloud was a terrible idea. Then we were shown him in action and he was so damn impressive. It makes sense prople would chamge their minds.

Ok so about half the people fell victim to confirmation bias and it being awesome had nothing to do with it but only bwcause sakurai showed it off. . . My point still stands on the shaky legs it has.

Changing on new evidence is completely different than acting differently than what you say.
Also, we shouldn't penalize people who "change" their opinion for a good reason.

Nothing is wrong with being a "flip-flopper" when you change your mind based on new evidence.

That doesn't make them "weak". It makes them open to new ideas.

I wish Trump would be a "flip-flopper" and stop saying racist stuff.
 
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After some thought, I just realized who we could have gotten instead of Corrin as a promotional character.....



Though at the same time, while we know a "Pokémon Z" is coming based on the latest season of the anime, such a title has not been officially been revealed yet, which may have been problematic.
 

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Someone just sent me a link to a new Naruto movie.

I said "Oh, I haven't read Naruto since neji died"

He says "Yeah, this is after he becomes Hokage"

...Thanks for spoiling that
 

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Someone just sent me a link to a new Naruto movie.

I said "Oh, I haven't read Naruto since neji died"

He says "Yeah, this is after he becomes Hokage"

...Thanks for spoiling that
Come on, it's a shonen anime, if you didn't BELIEVE IT that Naruto would become Hokage, then I don't know what to say man.
 
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Someone just sent me a link to a new Naruto movie.

I said "Oh, I haven't read Naruto since neji died"

He says "Yeah, this is after he becomes Hokage"

...Thanks for spoiling that
.....there was only two ways the series was going to end (before the whole sequel series thing); Naruto would either (eventually) become Hokage, or it would be a tragedy ending and Naruto would die while his legend would live on.
 

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Come on, it's a shonen anime, if you didn't BELIEVE IT that Naruto would become Hokage, then I don't know what to say man.
I thought it was going to have some kind of twist where he doesn't end up hokage.

I mean, didn't he not even make it to chuunin or whatever

Find some kind of other meaning in his life
 
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I thought it was going to have some kind of twist where he doesn't end up hokage.

I mean, didn't he not even make it to chuunin or whatever

Find some kind of other meaning in his life
He only wasn't a Chuunin because he never completed a Chuunin exam (the one he was in was interrupted by Orochimaru and Gaara doing their ****s and then he was away training with Jiraiya between the end of the pre-Shippuden saga and Shippuden).
That being said, ranking doesn't matter when it comes to Kage status, I don't think.
 

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OMG

The next 2 weeks after this I am only working 22 hours a week

...

I mean, it's going to be easy weeks. But my poor wallet

I was about to complain Wednesday they scheduled me at a time against my availability

But it's going to be the last 8 hour day I get
 
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After some thought, I just realized who we could have gotten instead of Corrin as a promotional character.....



Though at the same time, while we know a "Pokémon Z" is coming based on the latest season of the anime, such a title has not been officially been revealed yet, which may have been problematic.
Not going to lie, I too thought about the possibility of having Zygarde's 10% Forme in Smash, and I was somewhat interested in the idea. It would make for an interesting fighter with a quake style/dog-like moveset, not to mention the Smash 4 roster doesn't have any quadruped fighters. A transformation into Zygarde's Complete Form for its Final Smash would also be epic (and I'm one of the few that really likes the Complete Forme as well).

However, I don't think Zygarde is the only plausible option for a Pokemon Z rep. Perhaps they could've also included a Pokemon that may look like a random inclusion now, but maybe it will actually have an important role in Pokemon Z, as in that Pokemon gets a Mega Evolution and becomes the signature Pokemon of a key character in Pokemon Z's story (or has an important role in the XY&Z anime pretty soon and has one or the other/both of the previous assets listed).

Think Gardevoir; while she was already a popular Pokemon prior to getting a Mega in generation 6 and thus could be a justifiable potential Smash fighter, there are others who would argue that she'd be too random of an inclusion because her star power might've been a little lacking. However, when Pokemon X and Y came around, she got a Mega and became the signature Pokemon of an important character in X and Y's story, so some argued that this allowed to gain good star power to make her a plausible Pokemon rep in Smash 4. Thus, maybe in Pokemon Z, there will be a Pokemon that was originally considered too "random" to be in Smash, but all of sudden, that Pokemon gets a Mega/is the signature Pokemon in a main character's team/gets some sort of important anime role in the future/plays some sort of important role in the story (or has two, three, or all the assets listed), and then that Pokemon's inclusion becomes reasonable for Smash Bros to promote Pokemon Z.

While I can definitely understand why Pokemon Z not being officially revealed was a reason why adding another Pokemon rep for promotion reasons was disregarded (not to mention it is a little tough to have a Pokemon included into Smash Bros in the first place), part of my Pokemon bias wishes that in the scenario we actually did another Pokemon added to Smash 4 to promote Pokemon Z before that game was officially revealed, Sakurai would leave a cryptic message saying, "You'll understand why I included this character in the coming months," as a way of hinting that Pokemon's inclusion was to promote Pokemon Z in some sort of way.
 

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I don't get why he has a dog form when all his all forms all reptilian like
 

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I don't get why he has a dog form when all his all forms all reptilian like
Zygarde's forms are based around the Children of Loki lore from Norse Mythology. The Children of Loki consisted of Fenrir, the monstrous wolf, Jörmungandr, the serpent described to keep the Earth balanced by grasping it with its tail, and Hel, the ruler of the realm of the dead who was described as being half alive and half dead. This Youtube video by TyranitarTube does a really good job explaining all of this in more detail.
:4duckhunt: is heartbroken.
Whoops, completely forgot.:facepalm:

I still think it'd be nice to have more quadrupeds in Smash anyways. Duck Hunt sure feels lonely being the only one.
 
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Zygarde's forms are based around the Children of Loki lore from Norse Mythology. The Children of Loki consisted of Fenrir, the monstrous wolf, Jörmungandr, the serpent described to keep the Earth balanced by grasping it with its tail, and Hel, the ruler of the realm of the dead who was described as being half alive and half dead. This Youtube video by TyranitarTube does a really good job explaining all of this in more detail.
that's always seemed like a pretty big stretch to me
the roles fit, sure, but it could definitely be a coincidence
 
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Not going to lie, I too thought about the possibility of having Zygarde's 10% Forme in Smash, and I was somewhat interested in the idea. It would make for an interesting fighter with a quake style/dog-like moveset, not to mention the Smash 4 roster doesn't have any quadruped fighters. A transformation into Zygarde's Complete Form for its Final Smash would also be epic (and I'm one of the few that really likes the Complete Forme as well).
Well, Smash 4 does have a quadruped fighter who is also coincidentally a dog. Duck Hunt. Though Zygarde is nothing like that dog.
I also had the idea that for some Special moves, it would transform into 50% for the attack.

However, I don't think Zygarde is the only plausible option for a Pokemon Z rep. Perhaps they could've also included a Pokemon that may look like a random inclusion now, but maybe it will actually have an important role in Pokemon Z, as in that Pokemon gets a Mega Evolution and becomes the signature Pokemon of a key character in Pokemon Z's story (or has an important role in the XY&Z anime pretty soon and has one or the other/both of the previous assets listed).

Think Gardevoir; while she was already a popular Pokemon prior to getting a Mega in generation 6 and thus could be a justifiable potential Smash fighter, there are others who would argue that she'd be too random of an inclusion because her star power might've been a little lacking. However, when Pokemon X and Y came around, she got a Mega and became the signature Pokemon of an important character in X and Y's story, so some argued that this allowed to gain good star power to make her a plausible Pokemon rep in Smash 4. Thus, maybe in Pokemon Z, there will be a Pokemon that was originally considered too "random" to be in Smash, but all of sudden, that Pokemon gets a Mega/is the signature Pokemon in a main character's team/gets some sort of important anime role in the future/plays some sort of important role in the story (or has two, three, or all the assets listed), and then that Pokemon's inclusion becomes reasonable for Smash Bros to promote Pokemon Z.
You make a good case, but remember that Gardevoir didn't actually make it into Smash as the token "XY Pokémon" regardless of being a major characters' main Pokémon for the game and what people thought of it.
Instead, we got Greninja, who was a true "XY Pokémon" in the sense that it made its grand debut in the game.

With that in mind, if a Pokémon is going to promote "Z", it would be on the order of Zygarde, the hypothetical cover mascot with new forms and heavy promotion, or a new Kalos Pokémon making their debut in "Z".
....or Greninja again if the "Ash-Greninja" is anything to go by. But that would be if Greninja wasn't already in Smash...

While I can definitely understand why Pokemon Z not being officially revealed was a reason why adding another Pokemon rep for promotion reasons was disregarded (not to mention it is a little tough to have a Pokemon included into Smash Bros in the first place), part of my Pokemon bias wishes that in the scenario we actually did another Pokemon added to Smash 4 to promote Pokemon Z before that game was officially revealed, Sakurai would leave a cryptic message saying, "You'll understand why I included this character in the coming months," as a way of hinting that Pokemon's inclusion was to promote Pokemon Z in some sort of way.
If it was Zygarde, Sakurai wouldn't really need a cryptic message.

Though, the main issue now that I'm thinking of it is timing.
Since we don't know when "Pokémon Z" or any expectation-defying game(s) like Black 2/White 2 is going to be officially announced, it may not even be released until too late for character promotion.
With Corrin at least, he fit the timing perfectly; his game was to be released outside Japan around the same time he would be released for Smash.
This is why someone like Elma wouldn't work here; by the time she'd have been released for Smash (or even announced as DLC), her game would have been released all over the world already.

So now that I think about it, maybe there really wasn't any feasible substitute to begin with.
Unless Pikachu Libre counts for Pokken Tournament's Wii U release in March in Japan.
 
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However, when Pokemon X and Y came around, she got a Mega and became the signature Pokemon of an important character in X and Y's story, so some argued that this allowed to gain good star power to make her a plausible Pokemon rep in Smash 4.
>Diantha
>Important character in X and Y's story

You have to make a choice here.
 
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