Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[FullMetalLynch]

If its that or no lynching yes

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Would sooner lynch an option like Gheb over Jerkus.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i ****ing hate giraffes approach to the jerkus push. like seriously you're gonna end up a ****ing fish out of water if he flips town.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

BarDulL has requested a replacement. Also, I'm going to just go on and replace Wanted. The deadline will be extended to 6/23/14 at 11:50pm EST.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (6) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Macman, ScaryLB59, Zen, Xatres
4. FrozenFlame (1) - BarDulL
5. Macman (1) - Werekill
6. BarDulL
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru)
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres (1) - Jerkus
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) (4) - Gheb_01, Nabe, Gorf, FrozenFlame
13. x WaNtEd x
14. Werekill
15. Zen

Not voting: X WaNtEd X, FullMetalLynch

 

[Dooms]

Hello! I replaced Wanted. I'm a replacement... so I can actually skip RVS!!! This is the best feeling. You guys don't understand. <3 <3 <3

I'm against the Jerkus lynch right now. Mostly because Zen's and Iluv's reasoning for being on him is pretty crappy, and I REALLY don't care for Macman being salty about Jerkus not going in depth about their interaction hunch.

In response to Zen's Jerkus post:

If reaching for Giraffe scum is grimy specifically for them, then why aren't they the only ones thinking it? Literally the only reason anyone has Giraffe as town is because they either like Ryu's posts (I don't remember any Ryu specific posts from my read, so no thoughts here) or because meta. If it was any other player doing the **** Ranmaru is doing, then it would be scummy. I've seen this multiple times throughout this day phase by multiple players (one of which you're town reading). Why are you focusing on Jerkus specifically with this? Why is Jerkus' play specifically scummy for not liking Giraffe?

Jerkus wasn't the only slot to react that way to comparing J's Zombies play to Monster. FML had the exact same reaction until it was explained. The side that wasn't in Moira was definitely had every right to be salty, and with the way Ranmaru played that out, J had no reason to give a big response. They were two completely different scenarios, and without a lot of the context, there was no reason to bring it up. J joined an RVS wagon, I was stating that there was something weird about a slot that literally everyone else was town reading and I was being all "but I could be wrong about it I don't know" about it, so there was reason to ask me for information.

Did you ever think that Werekill wasn't manipulated and that he's buddying Jerkus because he agrees with the slot? Because Werekill stated just that very clearly. Also, this is a game of manipulation. You have to manipulate people into thinking similarly as you so that you can get them on your lynch. Of course you still have to be open minded in case you're wrong, but calling someone scummy for manipulating people in mafia is 100% null. Also, did you consider that Werekill's buddying attempts are being ignored because it doesn't have to be stated word by word that they're strong town reading eachother? It's really clear. Stop pushing fake crap. The fact that you think Werekill is being manipulated when Jerkus says that they like Werekill because they're strongly town reading eachother... It's just that. They strongly town read each other. It's not manipulation if they just generally think one another is town.

Also, it's really easy to say that Jerkus is not going for Scary scum right off the bat because they don't have enough content to actually scum read them, and no one should just sit on their meta. Why specifically should Jerkus be sitting on their meta and scum reading a slot instead of having them as a null read that should die? Obviously more information is needed on the scary slot as a whole, so I'm not quite sure why you're so against it. Also, people have agreed with what Jerkus has stated pretty clearly. Not sure if it was just Werekill or others as well, but I will state that I also agree that Scary is a null read that can die if he doesn't bring more to the table soon.

We're not pushing just for information at this point in the day phase. White knighting doesn't matter at this part of the phase. It's the 20th. Deadline is the 24th. This game has been plagued with inactivity and Ranmaru posting 500 more times than he should. We need to decide what we're doing, and telling people not to go against lynches that they don't believe in is holding back information and can easily be used to set up mislynches. "If you really believed this slot was town, why did you not defend them when they were being lynched? It's obvious you didn't oppose it, and you only stated that you were against it after the lynch happened" is a stereotypical response that would apply perfectly to a townie player because they were told not to butt in. No thank you. If you're arguing to lynch a slot, you're arguing with all of the people that think that slot is town as well as the slot itself. Deal with it if you're going to push the slot. I actually like Gorf for stopping the FF push, but this doesn't make me dislike Jerkus because there is really no reason to clash heads with your stronger town reads when you're that close to deadline. You don't have all of the time in the world to convince everyone that x player is scummy, and since FF was new to the table in general and there were other players Jerkus wanted lynched, there was literally no reason to wait on FF to respond. He stated that he'd bring it up again if FF responded. What better response is there?

Last of all, why are you hounding on Jerkus specifically for voting Xatres? There have been multiple people state that they are fine with lynching Xatres, and there are quite a few votes on him when your post was made. You don't go into why Jerkus specifically is scummy for pushing Xatres. What about all of the other players voting him? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean other people should see it the way you do. Ranmaru syndrome pls stop.

We have a few more days with me replacing Wanted, so I'm fine with not voting Xatres yet, but if we get to deadline and we need to lynch someone, that is where my vote is going. If this is standard Xatres play, then I don't want to see him exist in this game.

Right now:

Vote: Zen

Yeah you're reaching really hard on Jerkus for a lot of things that can be applied to multiple players, and I don't like it one bit.

Xatres can go as well, I agree with Jerkus on Scary, and that's pretty much it for my scum reads at the moment. Finishing my read through. It's obvious I stopped on Zen's post.

 

[Dooms]

Its also what I've said multiple times as town as well. And never as a scummer iirc

Please stop. You gain nothing from saying **** like this. :|

 

[Dooms]

That's just terrible logic. OF COURSE it's important which head is speaking. We don't read these posts in the vacuum. We have to take individual playstyles, speech patterns, tone, attitude, ect. into account when we read a post. This is especially true if you keep on mentioning that a new head is speaking without clarifying.

I would argue that continuing to bounce between heads while still refusing to clarify is actively anti-town behavior. First, you are sowing confusion. And second, you are jamming it down people's throat when they ask for clarity, which is pretty reachy logic and ALSO scummy.



I've already explained this, but basically the answer is: It's not that I "dislike" your response, it's that your response was unhelpful, emotional, and attempting to cast me in a negative light without actually coming out and making a direct accusation. It's EXACTLY the type of response I was looking for.

And while we're on the subject of "dislike."



I've gone ahead and bolded a bunch of garbage from your post that I see as scumtells from a writerly point of view. They fit in 3 basic categories.

1) Emotional/wishy-washy language - "dislike," "displeased," "pretty bad"

2) Emphatic/sassy points with no support - "The answer is nothing," "faked and not real"

3) Awkward sentence structure, pointing to heavy editing before posting - "playstyle dislike," "see oppositely to that"

Basically, this entire post reeks of scumminess, with bad logic, vague/emotional wording, and manufactured (as opposed to natural) writing patterns.

Congratulations, you've moved up to my #1 slot!

Unvote

Vote: Jerkus

This is supposed to be town posting?

He's harping on J and/or Circus for emotional and wishy-washy posting and sassy points, and he's harping on them for editing their post. Why is it scummy to edit your post? Even if edited = scummy, how does awkward = edited?

What are you even talking about regarding Jerkus being confusing with hydra heads? Why are you not harping on FML for the same thing? How does this make them scummy?

Last of all, why did you quote that post specifically? Like, everyone knew that the fun side was J because he made it clear earlier in the game (which you missed, by the way). I started my read from Page 10, and I got a very clear understanding based on reading the thread that J was the fun side, and I honestly can't tell the difference between the heads if it's not stated clearly. You're basically harping on them for being a hydra and not color coding their posts. Stop it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ Dooms @th3kuzinator AYYOOOOOOOO MUDDA FUQQAS!

BLECK! THERE'S SEMEN IN MY MOUTH!

 

[Dooms]

@ Dooms @th3kuzinator AYYOOOOOOOO MUDDA FUQQAS!

BLECK! THERE'S SEMEN IN MY MOUTH!

 

[Dooms]

because I can't edit...

Read the conversation on this image. I died. Good times.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Eyyyy yo Joey! I can understand how glad you are to skip RVS. Funnily enough Wanted didn't really participate much in RVS (well he introduced himself and that's all folks). Welcome to the game man!

I disagree strongly with your Zen read though. Have you looked at his #405?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ #HBC | J @Jerkus

Can you guys actually reply to me? You have been viewing all day. Don't leave me hanging. Thanks.

 

[#HBC | J]

It's no secret I view from my phone and shows me viewing more than I actually. I have things to do outside of mafia.

*shrug* you'll get a response later.

Also Joey gave me a mafia hard on. Like daaaaaaaamn that post.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Oh sorry. I'm just asking to make sure because I'll be going to martial arts soon. Thanks.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@ Ilovegiraffes I'm leaning town on jerkus so I don't really like the idea of lynching them right now. Its an informational flip for sure, but I don't think they're the play right now tbh

Can we just lynch bardulls slot just cuz? Replacements are so gross. Joey steppin up doe, thats some good **** right there

@Nameless V/LA until Tuesday June 24th. Gonna be out of town for some alumni event shenanagins + my Bday

so yeah don't expect too much from me. I feel mostly like following Nabe and Gorf atm cuz Ive liked what Ive seen from them (even though Nabe is being stingy =( )

I'll have net access and what not so if new **** comes up ill be tryin to keep up, tag me if you need somethin specific from me

 

[Xatres]

This is supposed to be town posting?

He's harping on J and/or Circus for emotional and wishy-washy posting and sassy points, and he's harping on them for editing their post. Why is it scummy to edit your post? Even if edited = scummy, how does awkward = edited?

1) You mentioned all three of my points, but only criticized the one that is easiest to criticize. This is downright manipulative. Fact is, people being sassy/emotional without content IS scummy, because they use attitude and tone to mask the fact that they have no evidence to support their claims.

2) I'm not simply talking about editing your posts for spelling/grammar. People may or may not do that all they want. It means nothing. What I'm actually talking about is what happens when someone is trying to fake content and SOUND like a townie when they actually aren't. They go through and make little tweeks and changes to get their post sounding as townie as possible. That's how little wishy-washy things like "dislike" and "displeased" get into a post. They express a point ambiguously enough that they can't be held to it later. It's also how you get weird phrasing like "see oppositely to that" in a post. It's grammatically correct, but not at all phrased in a natural way. It implies that the person writing the post wasn't just free writing his actual thoughts, but actively trying to manage their image (picture a little kid trying to lie his way out of stealing a cookie). This is actually a pretty big scumtell if you know to look for it.

What are you even talking about regarding Jerkus being confusing with hydra heads? Why are you not harping on FML for the same thing? How does this make them scummy?

Last of all, why did you quote that post specifically? Like, everyone knew that the fun side was J because he made it clear earlier in the game (which you missed, by the way). I started my read from Page 10, and I got a very clear understanding based on reading the thread that J was the fun side, and I honestly can't tell the difference between the heads if it's not stated clearly. You're basically harping on them for being a hydra and not color coding their posts. Stop it.

FML says things like "rake here" or "orbo here."

Jerkus was saying things like, "Fun side here!" or "other head here!" ... and then getting pissy when people ask for clarification. My problem is not with the simple fact that they are playing as a hydra, but that they are using it to sow confusion and harass other players.

1) By continually pointing out when a new head is talking, they are contradicting an early post (before page 10) when they said they wanted to be treated as a single slot, not as two heads. Contradicting oneself is a scumtell.

2) By mentioning when a new head is speaking, they are inviting players to ask which is which. Turning around and complaining when people ask and blaming it on the other players is disingenuous at best and manipulative at worst. Either way, it's scummy.

3) The fact that I've continually stated that I only want to know which head is talking for clarity/context and keep being accused of relying solely on meta or being salty about hydra-ing in general is ALSO disingenuous and manipulative. Despite explaining myself several times, he (and now you) keep coming back to the same accusations while completely failing to refute my explanations. This is ALSO scummy.

So yeah, my points stand.

 

[Dooms]

I haven't really seen anything that hard grips me as a scumtell that isn't just "but playerslotx does this as town too"
Trust me. Its why I'm bouncing reads so much between town and trying to find something I can definitely say is scummy. I really wanna just say lynch something like wanted or nabe, maybe bardull but I figure he'll actually be into this game soonish

I can understand this 100%, and this alone explains so much about the hydra and makes me like the slot a lot more. Funny how that works out.

This is the last quote worthy post I see.

Last thing I'll talk about before I go play some ranked LoL (rip me #crappybronzeplayerlyfe) is that I started my read on Page 10 so that I wouldn't even have to go anywhere near RVS. The only things I missed are the following based on what people are talking about:

~Jerkus pushing Bardull that people got upset about
~iLuv's reasoning for being on Jerkus

Regarding the first one... It won't change my opinion on Jerkus, because what's being held against him is the fact that he stayed on the wagon longer than anyone else (Don't curr) and that he didn't state why he was on an RVS wagon clearly (Also don't curr).

The second one bothers me. Not because it's focused on Jerkus, but because from Page 10 to now, 90% of what I've seen from that slot is literally Ranmaru asking people what they thought about other players. Out of that 90%, 90% of that was asking people what they thought about Jerkus or asking why they weren't voting Jerkus.

The only reasoning-esque things I've seen have been based on a connection between Zombies and here with two completely different scenarios. I was hoping that I'd get a huge dump of information regarding their read on Jerkus, but I'm at the end of Page 18. That hasn't happened.

I'm not saying that I scum read iLuv. I haven't read their reasoning for disliking Jerkus, so I need to see if it is something that doesn't need further clarification from pre-page 10 to page 19. If it's not something that still stands strong to this page with how Jerkus has been playing, that is when I will start questioning your reasoning itself.

I'd like to ask people why they town read iLuv. I'm assuming it's either Pre-page 10 or it's regarding his question asking and some meta connection. We've been playing long enough where one player can fake their town meta as scum. If I can do it (or at least make people believe that I can), anyone else can. Stop giving people meta excuses.

iLuv, Gorf is right. You're going to be a fish out of water if Jerkus flips town. Where are you looking aside from that slot? In the past 10 pages, I've seen very little from you regarding things aside from Jerkus and inactive slots. Please tell me where else you're looking.

 

[Xatres]

Sidebar: I had a bet with myself that Wanted's replacement would immediately white night Jerkus (based on me feeling that Wanted's sole post was kinda scummy) and it turned out true. I owe myself a prize.

 

[Dooms]

Eyyyy yo Joey! I can understand how glad you are to skip RVS. Funnily enough Wanted didn't really participate much in RVS (well he introduced himself and that's all folks). Welcome to the game man!

I disagree strongly with your Zen read though. Have you looked at his #405?

Hello, iLuv! ^_^

I don't like it too much, but I need to read Bardull stuff to get the full context.

I will say that he says that you would be found scummy if it wasn't for meta, yet he jumps on Jerkus for finding you scummy. Of course, this is just one reason he finds that slot scummy, but I really hate that he is holding Jerkus to some different standards for whatever reason.

Why do you find him townie? What do you like about his 405? I'd like to know more about your slot this game.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

1. They were two completely different scenarios, and without a lot of the context, there was no reason to bring it up.

2. They strongly town read each other. It's not manipulation if they just generally think one another is town.

1. It had nothing to do with the scenario, that's the problem. I explained why I brought it up. I was wondering why the hydra wasn't thinking about the logic already stated by the hydra in that game. Circus thought I was bringing it up from your perspective, but I was bringing it up from Moira's perspective. So it was a harmless, curious question I brought up and he jumped on that, as if I was trying to accuse him of something, when I had said no such thing.

2. You say this, but why would Jerkus state this quote below, at such an early stage of the game? This reeks of manupulation, because a town read there would be pre-mature. Quote:

Zen, don't play with your food.

 

[Dooms]

1) You mentioned all three of my points, but only criticized the one that is easiest to criticize. This is downright manipulative. Fact is, people being sassy/emotional without content IS scummy, because they use attitude and tone to mask the fact that they have no evidence to support their claims.

2) I'm not simply talking about editing your posts for spelling/grammar. People may or may not do that all they want. It means nothing. What I'm actually talking about is what happens when someone is trying to fake content and SOUND like a townie when they actually aren't. They go through and make little tweeks and changes to get their post sounding as townie as possible. That's how little wishy-washy things like "dislike" and "displeased" get into a post. They express a point ambiguously enough that they can't be held to it later. It's also how you get weird phrasing like "see oppositely to that" in a post. It's grammatically correct, but not at all phrased in a natural way. It implies that the person writing the post wasn't just free writing his actual thoughts, but actively trying to manage their image (picture a little kid trying to lie his way out of stealing a cookie). This is actually a pretty big scumtell if you know to look for it.



FML says things like "rake here" or "orbo here."

Jerkus was saying things like, "Fun side here!" or "other head here!" ... and then getting pissy when people ask for clarification. My problem is not with the simple fact that they are playing as a hydra, but that they are using it to sow confusion and harass other players.

1) By continually pointing out when a new head is talking, they are contradicting an early post (before page 10) when they said they wanted to be treated as a single slot, not as two heads. Contradicting oneself is a scumtell.

2) By mentioning when a new head is speaking, they are inviting players to ask which is which. Turning around and complaining when people ask and blaming it on the other players is disingenuous at best and manipulative at worst. Either way, it's scummy.

3) The fact that I've continually stated that I only want to know which head is talking for clarity/context and keep being accused of relying solely on meta or being salty about hydra-ing in general is ALSO disingenuous and manipulative. Despite explaining myself several times, he (and now you) keep coming back to the same accusations while completely failing to refute my explanations. This is ALSO scummy.

So yeah, my points stand.

Allow me to clarify:

J and Circus both have a VERY intense meta of being emotional as any alignment. They also tend to be sassy when people make really idiotic cases on them. I could kind of understand harping on most people with this stuff, but with J/Circus it's 100% null.

I understand not wanting to use meta, but we're playing a game to win here, and you have to make your chances of winning as strong as possible by using all of the information you have. The fact that J and Circus both have a strong usage of emotion and snark should indicate that emotional posting and snarky attitude from that slot is expected from them as any alignment, therefore it should not indicate how they are read.

They started talking as separate heads when Macman was talking to Jerkus specifically, because J was asked things he could not answer. This doesn't help when iLuv asks Jerkus something only J can know about when Circus is the one pushing the anti-J mentality supposedly? I don't know if that makes sense, but what I am trying to say is that there is no reason to try to have people talk about you as one slot if they're only going to question the actions of one head. If one head can't answer specific questions, you have to wait for the other head, so asking each head specific things give us more information in the long run, which is why I assume they have given up on trying to be talked to as one slot in general.

The only reason why they've "gotten pissy" when it comes to clarifying (prove this please, I don't remember this) is probably because they've made it pretty clear through a very basic usage of context clues, which is something I've stated already.

I don't think they've called you (or anyone) scummy for not knowing which head is which. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

Have you ever thought that you're attacking them for something they've previously stated 10 pages ago regarding hydras that honestly doesn't matter much at all, and that they're doing things all hydras tend to do in the long run, so that's why they're pissy with you? Also, when people ask which head is which, it generally means they know how one head posts or they know how to read one head better than the other (which generally connects to meta), so I don't see how this is scummy.

League time talk later bye J teach me how to support pls D:

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ #HBC | FrozeηFlame #707

man... I don't like this post at all

can you go a lil more in depth about what made you switch to FML? or explain what makes him a better lynch than your previous vote Xatres?

Is Xatres still a play in your mind?

 

[Dooms]

1. It had nothing to do with the scenario, that's the problem. I explained why I brought it up. I was wondering why the hydra wasn't thinking about the logic already stated by the hydra in that game. Circus thought I was bringing it up from your perspective, but I was bringing it up from Moira's perspective. So it was a harmless, curious question I brought up and he jumped on that, as if I was trying to accuse him of something, when I had said no such thing.

2. You say this, but why would Jerkus state this quote below, at such an early stage of the game? This reeks of manupulation, because a town read there would be pre-mature. Quote:

Regarding number 2 since I can say this quickly:

It's RVS more than likely. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if that was a joke, and I can easily read it as such. I'll let Jerkus confirm if it's a joke or not though. Why are you looking at this so strongly? I don't want to read around the context because I was sooooo happy to skip RVS, but I will if I have to. After League of course lool.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Hello, iLuv! ^_^

I don't like it too much, but I need to read Bardull stuff to get the full context.

I will say that he says that you would be found scummy if it wasn't for meta, yet he jumps on Jerkus for finding you scummy. Of course, this is just one reason he finds that slot scummy, but I really hate that he is holding Jerkus to some different standards for whatever reason.

Why do you find him townie? What do you like about his 405? I'd like to know more about your slot this game.

I find Zen townie because earlier he was doubting me, even though he had me as obvious town before that. That shows that he is actually town without knowledge of other's alignments, because he even is second guessing his obv town read. I also really agree with his Jerkus push. I have noticed that even though I can be crazy at times (such as in FFtA), J still can read me, and doesn't try to actually paint me as scum. There he had me as null the whole time, I just doubted him. Here he comes out of no where with a Mac and Iluv read sprouting from a 'mac + iluv' connection, but then it somehow turns into an iluv scumread. That was abrubt, and I feel his scumread on me isn't genuine. I would like for you to actually talk about 405 first before I go into it. It's unfair to Zen to critisize his scumread on Jerkus without also going into 405. I'll go into what I like about it after you do.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Regarding number 2 since I can say this quickly:

It's RVS more than likely. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if that was a joke, and I can easily read it as such. I'll let Jerkus confirm if it's a joke or not though. Why are you looking at this so strongly? I don't want to read around the context because I was sooooo happy to skip RVS, but I will if I have to. After League of course lool.

Yeah but it *********** an avenue of scumhunting from Zen. Why do that without having a read on a person, in rvs?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Joey I guess I'm sorry to say that you'll never escape the rvs

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ Dooms do you lean town on Jerkus (and if so why?) or do you think he is NULL and think he's a bad lynch candidate?

 

[Xivii]

Jerkus, you down to snap to scary?

 

[Lore]

Still technically v/la, but may have more time tonight than expected. I'm reading the thread a bit while on the toilet and had to say this.

Sidebar: I had a bet with myself that Wanted's replacement would immediately white night Jerkus (based on me feeling that Wanted's sole post was kinda scummy) and it turned out true. I owe myself a prize.

Holy ****, don't hurt yourself patting your own ****ing back.

You have such a smug attitude in almost all your posts, and it's driving me crazy.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

for ****'s sake
@BarDulL
come back, you're obviously town as evidenced by your buttmad-ery and it oozes out of every virtual pore you have

you're the hero this game needs and the one who is deciding to fly away to france

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I'd like to ask people why they town read iLuv. I'm assuming it's either Pre-page 10 or it's regarding his question asking and some meta connection. We've been playing long enough where one player can fake their town meta as scum. If I can do it (or at least make people believe that I can), anyone else can. Stop giving people meta excuses.

This is unfair compared to this quote here:

J and Circus both have a VERY intense meta of being emotional as any alignment. They also tend to be sassy when people make really idiotic cases on them. I could kind of understand harping on most people with this stuff, but with J/Circus it's 100% null.

I understand not wanting to use meta, but we're playing a game to win here, and you have to make your chances of winning as strong as possible by using all of the information you have. The fact that J and Circus both have a strong usage of emotion and snark should indicate that emotional posting and snarky attitude from that slot is expected from them as any alignment, therefore it should not indicate how they are read.

Can you explain your opposing views here?

 

[Dooms]

oh also

This song is literally sex

 

[Dooms]

Vote: ilovegiraffes

Much vote. Such informative. Very ilovegiraffes. Wow.

That vote literally has me dying.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Joey was Pink Greninja, Town Pocket Monster

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Zen likes asking stupid questions and seeing if people fall for them.

At least he's dropping town-tells like bombs away this game.

Joey since you are now reading RVS context, can you tell me what you think of this?

 

[Dooms]

Before I respond to current things:

Jerkus:

Why are you not sharing your read on Bardull? It's obvious that you have Ranmaru on your back, so it's not going to disappear.

Why did you never reveal your thoughts on Macman and iLuv together? Is that still a thing?

I will respond to people after I get answers to these. I would like to be as informed as possible.

 

[Dooms]

Joey since you are now reading RVS context, can you tell me what you think of this?

This probably means that Zen was playing stereotypical RVS town Zen? I don't know. I don't know Zen meta nearly as well as I should, so I don't get where they're coming from personally ._.

 

[Xatres]

You have such a smug attitude in almost all your posts, and it's driving me crazy.

Sorry, that's kind of a family trait. We can be unintentional jackasses when we argue/debate.

- - -

I'll be out of the house for the remainder of the evening, but hopefully won't be too tired when I get in to at least check the thread.

 

[Dooms]

This is unfair compared to this quote here:



Can you explain your opposing views here?

I can respond to this though, and regret deleting the response I already had typed up prior to reading RVS ;_;

Basically, context.

You know how players generally play the game. Not as each role, but as individuals. J, Soup, and Circus come to mind as emotional and/or snarky posters. Am I going to scum read these three for either of those things? No! They will do that regardless of alignment, so that's not a very intelligent decision to read them as scum for those things.

While people have had this developed town meta on players for multiple years, it hasn't changed much for most people. This is proven to be true by the fact that I can act like I played back in 2012/early 2013 and people either town read me or doubt their scum read on me fairly consistently regardless of what alignment I am. I don't know if I emulate my style well, but I've had multiple people say that I do regardless of me trying or not trying to, so -shrug-.

That's just an example, of course. How do I know that you can't do the same? Am I really going to let the fact that you're playing "stereotypical town Ranmaru" stop me from getting a fully developed read on you and just let that carry you to end game? That doesn't sound like an intelligent decision to me personally.