Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Mac]

i don't really like the FML push and he hasn't done much else... dude isn't a strong scum read or anything but he's on my list of ppl who could go

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I gotcha then.

 

[Xatres]

Initial response to Zen's case followed by reading Xatres' recent post together in one sitting:

I'm not in a mafia mood but I need to respond to things so I'll try and chip away at it.

AtE

Nevermind, I do not care to respond to Xatres' post because it is just terrible logic and just not worth the response due to the nature of his post style I doubt I would even go anywhere. If you want a response from this hydra @ Xatres bug the other side.

Belittling, dodging accusations, and offering no evidence for my supposed "terrible logic."

This game is all about meta>actual scum-tells and it annoys me.

Especially because if it is all about meta people should seriously know at this point that J is town and not scum.

Disingenuous.

Firstly, because the majority of my case against you had nothing to do with meta, but actual scumtells / anti-town behavior. If you don't want people making meta cases against you, it might be beneficial to answer the person not making a case against you based on meta. Secondly, because after complaining about meta, you immediately use meta as a defense. Thirdly, because you've continually said that you want your hydra viewed as a single slot, and yet you are continuing to use multiple heads as a defense.

 

[Jerkus]

Your case isn't based on meta, but you demand to know which head is speaking so that you can take into account specific playstyle, tone, etc.

*****, that's meta.

And to put this to rest, we've never used separate heads as a defense. We both stand by each other's actions, and therefor if someone finds something scummy, we feel we, as a slot, should be held accountable regardless of the head.

The only reasons separate heads even comes up is because other players demand to use individual meta on each head in order to try to read us, and then when we don't fit that, we have to clarify that they're talking to the wrong person and the meta, or the history they're referencing, if therefor irrelevant.

 

[Xatres]

 

[Jerkus]

Petty and unfair.

At this point, I almost wanna be lynched so you read our flip and weep.

 

[Jerkus]

By the way, no one has appealed to any emotions. We're both just genuinely full of the bull**** coming from you, Zen, Mac, etc. This ain't a fair trial, that much is clear by now.

BRING IN THE DANCING LOBSTERS.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So who's the play J?

 

[Jerkus]

Where's our vote, Mac?

 

[Xatres]

Your case isn't based on meta, but you demand to know which head is speaking so that you can take into account specific playstyle, tone, etc.

*****, that's meta.

And to put this to rest, we've never used separate heads as a defense. We both stand by each other's actions, and therefor if someone finds something scummy, we feel we, as a slot, should be held accountable regardless of the head.

Didn't you specifically say in an recent post: "It should be obvious to anyone who knows J that he is town?"

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Xatres? Word ok, how does his recent posts make you feel about the slot now? Still think he should go over other inactivates?

 

[Xatres]

He's flailing and clearly leaning hard on AtE. I don't see any reason not to make him the lynch for toDay.

 

[#HBC | J]

AtE isn't scummy and is a poor mans reason to call someone scum.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Xatres? Word ok, how does his recent posts make you feel about the slot now? Still think he should go over other inactivates?

Sorry this was directed at J

 

[FullMetalLynch]

J ate's regardless of alignment. Circus hasn't been very scummy either outside of not going for a full disclosure of things which really isn't that bad imo. Antitown yes but not scummy when you cam at least follow his mindset as hes going along

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think it's bad if you consider the lengths he's been going to dodge simple questions. Plus Zen had a couple good reasons for jerkuScum, for me his pushes haven't really felt genuine.

@ Jerkus , you may have explained this already, but what made you stop focusing on giraffe and my wagons?

I really hope Jerkus is scum though so I don't gotta feel bad whenever he gives me **** for suspecting him

 

[#HBC | Mac]

what I been thinkin bout FF and somewhat Gorf:
They both occupy similar places in my thoughts this game. A few days ago, they both expressed the dislike of all 3 ongoing wagons (mine/jerkus/giraffes) and Frozen explicitly expressed that he'd wait for a new wagon that he'd prefer. (So far his actions kept up with his words, he hopped on the xatres and FML wagons)

They both moved on to new wagons, specifically this FML wagon. FF hopped on xatres prior and Gorf expressed his reasoning for Bardull

I'm thinking that if ILUV, Jerkus, and I were all town, that scum wouldn't really have a reason to openly dislike all 3 wagons d1. I figure, such a scenario would be a good situation for scum and there's no need to wanna openly direct town's attention away from good ML wagons.

But if one of our slots (*cough* Jerkus *cough*) IS scum, then FF and Gorf making such a statement would be a great way to direct heat away from their scummate while also not explicitly defending them individually.

So basically if Jerkus flips town, than FF and Gorf's slot will seem pretty townie to me, though if Jerkus flips scum I'm thinking it won't look good for those two slots.

I feel like this applies more heavily to FF than Gorf, since pretty much all FF has done this game was express his dislike for the wagons and hop on FML and Xatres, whereas Gorf has been doing a bunch of other ****, many of which give me a townlean on his slot.

 

[Jerkus]

I think it's bad if you consider the lengths he's been going to dodge simple questions. Plus Zen had a couple good reasons for jerkuScum, for me his pushes haven't really felt genuine.

WHAT LENGTHS?

I have gone to no lengths to dodge anything. I've simply stated there are certain questions (at this point, pretty much just one) that I feel would be better not to answer right now. And I've given completely valid reasons for why that is. You have been derailing this whole game by refusing to drop it. Holy ****. Pick your head up once in a while. You're so deep in this **** that you can't see how blown out of proportion this point is.

@ Jerkus , you may have explained this already, but what made you stop focusing on giraffe and my wagons?

Your recent play has improved, even though you are incorrect about my slot and still don't appear very confident planting your flag in many places. Xatres is scummy for essentially lurking the whole game, catching up, deciding that you-me-ilg contains scum arbitrarily, then waiting to throw his vote behind one of us until later. He basically said "yeah, one of the main wagons probably holds scum, but I'll wait a little bit before I decide which one it is so that I can effect the momentum of that wagon more forcefully," since, as well know, the closer we get to deadline, the harder it is to shift focus away from the main wagon.

He hardly even sights reasons for why any of us individually is doing something scummy. He just looked at us as a group, decided scum was there, and then picked our slot seemingly because he just disliked us the most (maybe because we're voting him? I don't know, just riffin', man).

I really hope Jerkus is scum though so I don't gotta feel bad whenever he gives me **** for suspecting him

 

[Jerkus]

If you want my honest opinion though, I do think that a large portion of the scum team is in the lurker pile. So somebody seriously better vig one of those ******* toNight.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You have been derailing this whole game by refusing to drop it. Holy ****. Pick your head up once in a while. You're so deep in this **** that you can't see how blown out of proportion this point is.

my continuing to push this point is just as stubborn as your refusal to simply answer. anyways, we agree to disagree so we don't gotta discuss this no more. I was just commenting to FML


wrt rest of your post: what about ILuv? how do you feel about that slot now? would you support his lynch?

 

[Jerkus]

Nah. I don't really read him as individually scummy at this point as much as I do just terrible for town because he's all over the place. I'd lynch any of the inactives before him, probably. If that slot's going to stick in this game then Zen needs to corral him or something.

 

[Jerkus]

I say Zen because it is my perception that Ran is the issue I'm having with that hydra, and it is also my perception that Zen can pacify Ran.

 

[Jerkus]

That is also assuming Zen is town, which I'm less confident about than I was before.

 

[Xatres]

WHAT LENGTHS?

I have gone to no lengths to dodge anything. I've simply stated there are certain questions (at this point, pretty much just one) that I feel would be better not to answer right now. And I've given completely valid reasons for why that is. You have been derailing this whole game by refusing to drop it. Holy ****. Pick your head up once in a while. You're so deep in this **** that you can't see how blown out of proportion this point is.

You straight up said you were just going to ignore my entire case against you without giving any evidence or reasoning. So yeah... you're dodging accusations.

Also, more AtE.

Xatres is scummy for essentially lurking the whole game, catching up, deciding that you-me-ilg contains scum arbitrarily, then waiting to throw his vote behind one of us until later. He basically said "yeah, one of the main wagons probably holds scum, but I'll wait a little bit before I decide which one it is so that I can effect the momentum of that wagon more forcefully," since, as well know, the closer we get to deadline, the harder it is to shift focus away from the main wagon.

He hardly even sights reasons for why any of us individually is doing something scummy. He just looked at us as a group, decided scum was there, and then picked our slot seemingly because he just disliked us the most (maybe because we're voting him? I don't know, just riffin', man).

Nice try misrepresenting my play. Read my posts over the course of the past two days, and you'll see quite a bit of reasoning behind my views. I also firmly planted a vote on Giraffes from the get-go, without there being a wagon there at all. I only changed my vote to you when you started piling on the scumminess, as noted in previous posts.

So basically, y'know, the opposite of what you just accused me of.

 

[Xatres]

Peacing out for the night, fellas. I should be able to check in tomorrow morning/afternoon, but the evening is booked with social stuff and Saturday morning I have my aunt's funeral. I'll be sure to check in whenever I have time.

 

[Jerkus]

You straight up said you were just going to ignore my entire case against you without giving any evidence or reasoning. So yeah... you're dodging accusations.

Your "case" doesn't have anything in it. It's literally just you crying AtE a couple of times (as you continue to do) and breaking down my ****ing sentence structure and trying to pain that as scummy. One of my scumtells, according to you, is apparently J's grammar. I'm not dodging your accusations; I'm straight up refusing to dignify them. All your case deserves is a spit-take gif.

If you are town—and I say this as a truth, not as my opinion—you don't know how to scumhunt.

Also, more AtE.

I am not a robot.

I'm sorry if I mistakenly gave you the impression that I was a robot.

I'm also sorry that you seem to think that exhibiting emotion, as humans who are not robots are wont to do, is the same as appealing to emotion.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

and breaking down my ****ing sentence structure and trying to pain that as scummy. One of my scumtells, according to you, is apparently J's grammar.

i thought this was hilarious

 

[#HBC | Mac]

gheb's right that FMLs inconsistent stances are whack as ****, didn't give that case enough cred

Nabe's #645 is pretty on ****ing point

zen doesn't wanna be bros with me which makes me sad but I can't say I blame him

gorf's a p chill guy with p chill reads and a p chill lynch order, Ill do what that kids doin

Vote: FML

man... I don't like this post at all

can you go a lil more in depth about what made you switch to FML? or explain what makes him a better lynch than your previous vote Xatres?

Is Xatres still a play in your mind?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

hmm

after reading xat's string of posts it makes it easier for me to call the slot town. i dont agree with the stubborn "play my cards to my chest" schtick but now seeing em show himself makes em cool. kinda curious to see if anyone actually thinks otherwise.

Nevermind, I do not care to respond to Xatres' post because it is just terrible logic and just not worth the response due to the nature of his post style I doubt I would even go anywhere. If you want a response from this hydra @ Xatres bug the other side.

Zen's not a lost cause so I can start there.

damn like even for both your heads you're being extra sassy. i mean if you're town i totally feel you cuz of the whole being misunderstood thing but like yea take a chill pill lol, this isn't gonna get anyone off your hide.

This game is all about meta>actual scum-tells and it annoys me.

Especially because if it is all about meta people should seriously know at this point that J is town and not scum.

dood that's like the majority of mafia games now. meta has become like THE fad no matter how hard people wanna say they don't think it is.

also... you still think xat is scum after that string of posts from em? if so can you go into what about his recent strings of posts either backs your suspicion or doesn't dissuade you?

jerkus' response to zen makes me feel better about the slot n id MUCH prefer we look somewhere else... if it comes to making or breaking a lynch ill join but ehh...

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

You might be able to convince me to vote jerkus or giraffe at deadline.
Would prefer a nabe

Why only by deadline? Why Nabe?

Mac if you can't swing jerkus (I know hes right there in votes but theoretical speaking here) who would you want lynched instead?

Why did you ask Mac this question? I mean why ask that hypothetical, just wondering.

I need to sit down and actually read zens big post about jerkus

You didn't read it, why not? Can you get to that, and state if you agree/disagree with comments on why?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Fairly argued. It's just that I've seen you (Ran) go down in a fantastic blaze of glory over your "for sure scum reads" when the players were in fact town. I believe this happened in both Walmart and FE:A. Obviously your play could have evolved since then, but I also distinctly remember you extolling the virtues to rigid tunneling in the sign up thread at some point, saying it gets the best reactions out of town, even if you end up wrong. You're definitely not playing like here, which is why you still hold my suspicion.

Yes and no. If this is the Ran head talking, then we actually didn't have a hard scumread on you in FE:A. Dastrn and I tried HARD to get people to lynch FML D2, but then they all dragged their feet, let FML AtE like crazy, and then shifted the lynch in your direction.

What happened in Walmart was that I really strongly believed in Zen-scum, but it was simply just lazy (lol jk zen) zen town who was very wrong about me. I just thought he was scum trying to misrepresent me. I do believe tunneling can get scum lynched, but it won't matter in the end if that person actually does end up being not scum. So I am fine with re-evaluating, regardless of the flak I'll get for it, and it helps me get more info from others trying to paint me as scum (such as Jerkus). Yet sometimes I push through lynches when I am confident in them being scum and they turn out town, I didn't re-evaluate because I was sure they were scum. Also consider that I was pushing for Dabuz scum most likely, but I don't remember who else I scumread there. Probably you. Also consider my recent games, for example, FFtA. You probably didn't notice me there, as I was part of the Town PR hydra, yet I did the same thing I did here. I put out a connection case between Nabe and Maximum Garbage, but I then caved on it after seeing it might not have been the case. Dabuz was the first to actually mention flaws in my case, and I conceded right then and there, because he was right and I when I'm wrong I admit it. Yet if I feel I'm right i'll push through, surely. Yet it wasn't the only case I put out there, and it got me under fire there as well. So I was right on 2/3 scum, and the last scum (who attacked me for my Nabe case) I did make a case on, but I wavered on it due to suspecting J. I also had slight suspicions of J there, yet he still townread me there, so he was still able to read me as town there, while here he's simply trying to paint me as scum. His change of heart on me and Zen is a bit abrubt. I can understand your qualms though.

This is Ran btw.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Nah. I don't really read him as individually scummy at this point as much as I do just terrible for town because he's all over the place.

When did your reads change on Zen and I, and what was the imputus for changing it?

That is also assuming Zen is town, which I'm less confident about than I was before.

Can you substantiate this?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

On Jerkus Manupulating Werekill, I remember him stating this when Zen was asking him about the color coded crumb thing.

Zen, don't play with your food.

What did 'playing with your food' mean, and why did you state this?

@Werekill

I'm dissapointed in you not being able to tackle the Gheb Case or Jerkus case before going out. But real life is priority, I know. Hope to see you get into it when you get back. Real life is for wimps, just the other day I missed Martial arts to play mafia. Such boss.

What do you think of the above quote, when Jerkus didn't seem to have a read on you yet?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ Jerkus

Can you respond to #585? I still am curious about why you asked the closed questioning, and I want to see if Macman's assertion is correct or if you have an explanation for it all. Thank you.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

What did 'playing with your food' mean, and why did you state this?

Zen likes asking stupid questions and seeing if people fall for them.

At least he's dropping town-tells like bombs away this game.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Thanks. @ Jerkus I still want to know why you stated that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ ~ Gheb ~ , you disliked the way FML hopped on the xatres wagon, what do you think about FF's vote on it?

Not sure what to think of it. I don't like it though.

@Nameless

V/LA until sunday evening

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@BarDulL Yo where you at. Present opinions and a vote please. (On jerkus preferably)
@#HBC | Nabe Hey there. You still sticking to FML? You said Jerkus is a good route so I'm wondering if you'd switch, since we are close to deadline. (1 day left)
@#HBC | FrozeηFlame Yo. How you feeling about Jerkus now? Would you vote 'em come deadline? You haven't actually commented on Zen's case.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

That is also assuming Zen is town, which I'm less confident about than I was before.

why's that?

Why only by deadline? Why Nabe? Because I'd rather not lynch them because of how iffy my slot as a whole is towards those 2.
Nabe is because nabe is doing that nabe **** ehich makes him a goddamn pain in the ass and you know he'll do it without someone harassing him to the edge of death. I don't think anyone in this game can or will do that to the level MC did in ffta



Why did you ask Mac this question? I mean why ask that hypothetical, just wondering.



You didn't read it, why not? Can you get to that, and state if you agree/disagree with comments on why?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

So you'll vote 'em by deadline then? (jerkus)