Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ Xatres

I'm not afraid to concede on something I feel I may be wrong on. Like Zen said, Ashemu in D1 Zombies. Macman and Moira D3 (or so) in Zombies Mafia. That was just the most recent. I tunnel my for sure Scum reads. I was very confident in NL in Zombies (even though I wavered a bit due to stuff like a fake cop clear) but I always came back to it. Don't expect me to just tunnel people without re-evaluating. It's also pro-town to re-evaluate reads.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

im sorry i guess i forgot about it? the policy lynch bit was just a joke cuz of how abhorrent the activity by a large amount of the playerlist is, and the policy would be for the likes of inactives. i didn't mean it seriously and i thought it was clear in context. im not a player who's gonna throw a vote on a wagon i don't like, and mac and jerkus are two wagons i don't agree with. if you don't like it and think it makes me look scummy, well i hope you're alone idk.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ FullMetalLynch

Where are you? You are voting Mac while you have him as 'like'. You have some reads to substantiate, boy.

 

[Lore]

Yet you never said anything when he said he wasn't going to mislynch you, lol.

I'm 90% sure he was talking about a still ongoing game we were both in, lol. I didn't take it as anything more than that.

You also never answered as to why you aren't feeling the FML wagon. You can't critisize Gorf for not joining it while you yourself haven't even given reasoning.

I don't really see FML as scum at this point in the game. He hasn't posted anything that screams scum at me.

@ Xatres

I'm not afraid to concede on something I feel I may be wrong on. Like Zen said, Ashemu in D1 Zombies. Macman and Moira D3 (or so) in Zombies Mafia. That was just the most recent. I tunnel my for sure Scum reads. I was very confident in NL in Zombies (even though I wavered a bit due to stuff like a fake cop clear) but I always came back to it. Don't expect me to just tunnel people without re-evaluating. It's also pro-town to re-evaluate reads.

Why feel the need to state what you see as a town tell? It comes off as "I'm doing this, and it's town to do that remember?" We don't need to be reminded.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Yes but you didn't really actually counter Gheb's case. You just said you aren't feeling FML scum as if Gheb said "Hey guys, is FML scum?" and you just say "Yeah not feeling it." He gave a CASE. So you are actually saying "I disagree with the case" but aren't actually even giving substance as to why.

So let me re-phrase the question. Do you agree or disagree with the case? Then can you show why?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

A quick glance at a page found this gem:



Then why are you pushing so hard on Bardull?

and as far as this sentiment goes, im still open to hearing what he'll have when he comes back. i mentioned what i mentioned cuz frozen told me to substantiate, and i decided that continuing to hold it back waiting for bardull to come back was silly. those thoughts weren't made on the fly, they were withheld. he's just been the only reasonable avenue ive noticed so far.

if anything isn't clear PLEASE let me know.

hey @ Jerkus , preferably the j side since he's been asking to do that back and forth read thing that we seem to have liked to do more recently, let's talk about scary. i have thoughts, and im town reading you guys. give me thoughts.

 

[Lore]

im sorry i guess i forgot about it? the policy lynch bit was just a joke cuz of how abhorrent the activity by a large amount of the playerlist is, and the policy would be for the likes of inactives. i didn't mean it seriously and i thought it was clear in context. im not a player who's gonna throw a vote on a wagon i don't like, and mac and jerkus are two wagons i don't agree with. if you don't like it and think it makes me look scummy, well i hope you're alone idk.

It came right after Xatres's armchair post and was pointed right at him. I didn't see it as a joke.

Sure those two are reasonable opinions to have, but what about Giraffes? What do you think about him?

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (5) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Macman, ScaryLB59, Zack Fair
4. FrozenFlame (1) - BarDulL
5. Macman (3) - Jerkus, FullMetalLynch, Werekill
6. BarDulL (1) - Gorf
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (2) - Nabe, Xatres
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) (1) - Gheb_01
13. x WaNtEd x (1) - FrozenFlame
14. Werekill
15. Zack Fair

Not voting: X WaNtEd X

 

[Lore]

Yes but you didn't really actually counter Gheb's case. You just said you aren't feeling FML scum as if Gheb said "Hey guys, is FML scum?" and you just say "Yeah not feeling it." He gave a CASE. So you are actually saying "I disagree with the case" but aren't actually even giving substance as to why.

So let me re-phrase the question. Do you agree or disagree with the case? Then can you show why?

I'll do it when I get home I guess, but I'm sure as hell not going through and refuting every post. It'll be a general disagreement backed up by a reread.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Alright then. I feel you only need to look at the case's main points, not actually look at all the posts again haha.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

it's cuz he happened to take a **** on the thread and i wanted to say something funny. it's similar to when i say things about me being scum: the not mling you thing was a joke that i was talking like a scummy hoping to ml you, but your post was so obvtown that it'd be frivolous. please don't have me explain future jokes cuz it makes em lose their charm

giraffes? i don't remember him having been a major wagon outside of you suspecting em, if he was my b. but yea i doubt i'm wrong about my read on ran telling me he's blatant town. he's actively scum hunting and not doing such a good job at it. but his effort is apparent and looks really genuine to me. bad =/= scummy. giraffe is cool.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

you may have us as scum, okay whatever that's not important to me. Let's talk about the triforce vote-squad on my slot. Tell me about Scary and I<3Giraffe. If you had to choose to vote one of them over us, who would it be and why? Tell me you say Ran is posting bad, but drop the meta for a second, what would you do then? What did you make of Scary's read post?

Why did you ask the orange? (Placing Mac in the situation in which he is forced to choose me or scary)

Why ask the hypothetical instead of trying to persuade Mac into choosing me/scary?

 

[Jerkus]

So the fun side is here and going to respond to some things.

 

[Jerkus]

This computer does not allow google images/gifs because it is a family computer.

I am so sad.

 

[Jerkus]

@ Xatres :

Your reaction was pretty bad to my, albeit sardonic, yet joking post. You say that I am scummy for the response I did, but what about that response is scummy besides the fact that you just dislike it? The answer is nothing. I am also finding that your suspicions on slots are quite vapid considering you find all the main three posters scummy at the current time. You say that you dislike I<3Giraffe the most because of a playstyle dislike? Here is a something you said I would like to bring up:

it largely has to do with what I know of Ran and Ryu's playstyles

I am isolating this portion to bring up because I am displeased with it. You do know that the reason that a majority of people are reading them as town is because of the fact of the reason you are stating and mainly people are reading them as scum for their actual play which you do not really go into. You even tell people to go do the work for you. Uhm, yeah, that does not fly. I find your reasoning to be faked and not real. You said that you have read the game and therefore one would assume you would have something to bring to the table and yet you are there sitting on your laurels not doing anything at all.

You say that you are being strategic and I actually see oppositely to that. You are being scummy in your posts especially since you are just sheeping majority and delegating responsbility for your work to others and then when you explain your biggest scum-read on I<3Giraffe as something against their playstyle and not even bringing up anything that they have done individually as scummy.

For now, you get this side of the hydra's vote:

Unvote
Vote: Xatres

I want explanations on your Jerkus read, your Macman read, and your I<3Giraffe read. I would also like you to talk about FML and Scary since their names are being brought up.

 

[Jerkus]

I also agree to the notion you need to pick a side and decide which of the 3 reads as TvS. So you think it is possibly TvTvS? Or is it SvSvT? Place the names in whatever when you explain your thoughts because at the moment I am tapping my foot.

 

[Jerkus]

Why did you ask the orange? (Placing Mac in the situation in which he is forced to choose me or scary)

Why ask the hypothetical instead of trying to persuade Mac into choosing me/scary?

This is the J side both in the quote and posting so this'll be easy because it really is just my playstyle. I like forcing people to take a stance on reads and Mac is being waffly on stances so I want him to put his foot down and decide what he makes. This also forces Mac to have a papertrail which I can form connections and thoughts on. I do this quite practically every game. I choose to ask the hypothetical because I get more out of it then persuading him. I get him to make a decision.

 

[Jerkus]

@ Jerkus I'm feeling more and more fine with buddying you this game. Take a look at Gorf's posts with me and tell me what you think of them.

Same goes for the rest of town. I'll be back, I'm hopping on my phone during breaks (my dad put me to work on his asphalt plant this summer).

From this side of the hydra, I have no problem with Gorf. He's probably a high like read but still forming whether I town-read him or not. More than likely? I'd say he is town. I don't find him as scummy.

 

[Jerkus]

hey @ Jerkus , preferably the j side since he's been asking to do that back and forth read thing that we seem to have liked to do more recently, let's talk about scary. i have thoughts, and im town reading you guys. give me thoughts.

Thoughts on Scary? I have him as a "can die" read. I have no super strong feels on either side of him being town or scum and just I would be okay with him just being dead and no longer being apart of the equation. I asked him to make a huge reads post so I could dissect it and possibly read into it and find a really glaring scum-tell from him since Scary has a problem with reads when he is scum. When he is town, it will show through easily. At the moment, I got nothing from him. I like Xatres as a lynch more. Then I like I<3Giraffe then I would go Scary.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Sorry for my bit of inactivity as of late guys. Life is kicking my *** with a 7-5 workday M-F and then obligations afterward through the night. I've been doing what I can to keep caught up so hopefully I can have something tomorrow but definitely after Friday. Sorry again!!

 

[FullMetalLynch]

unvote

 

[FullMetalLynch]

It was sitting there because me and Orbo are debating you Vs macman and we hadn't come to any perticular conclusion other than Mac's recent postings were better by comparison, we're still arguing whether how your playing isnt actually scummy and me (Rake) isnt just giving you too much lee way because of meta

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Dont really like Xatres much though, that read up post was pretty lackluster and he's scum reading IWuvGiraffes for all the wrong reasons which i think Jerkus pointed out

 

[Lore]

it's cuz he happened to take a **** on the thread and i wanted to say something funny. it's similar to when i say things about me being scum: the not mling you thing was a joke that i was talking like a scummy hoping to ml you, but your post was so obvtown that it'd be frivolous. please don't have me explain future jokes cuz it makes em lose their charm

giraffes? i don't remember him having been a major wagon outside of you suspecting em, if he was my b. but yea i doubt i'm wrong about my read on ran telling me he's blatant town. he's actively scum hunting and not doing such a good job at it. but his effort is apparent and looks really genuine to me. bad =/= scummy. giraffe is cool.

Alright then. I still find those posts to be a bit iffy, but I'm not getting a full on scum read thanks to your other posts. I'll keep you at a null until the game progresses more, no offense.

@ Jerkus @FullMetalLynchAlchemist I'm not entirely down with lynching Xatres, although I admit those were some ****ty posts. I'll need to read more as part of my reread tonight and see if I can see any connections between him and others.

 

[Xatres]

@ Jerkus - Which one of you is the "fun side?" It's relevant to how I frame my response.

(Leaving for Pub Quiz in like 20 minutes, so if I don't have a response to everything up by late tonight, it'll be midday tomorrow)

 

[Jerkus]

@ Jerkus - Which one of you is the "fun side?" It's relevant to how I frame my response.

(Leaving for Pub Quiz in like 20 minutes, so if I don't have a response to everything up by late tonight, it'll be midday tomorrow)

Why don't you just respond? I see no reason that you need to "frame" your response regardless of which side of the hydra. You won't be catering to a certain person just because you know who is asking. It is also obvious to who the sides are with each post.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

xatres #509 calling shirt I find to be TvT a confident TvS instead bothers me

#534 is pretty swag, def kinda into it, I'm gonna throw some support that way

Vote: Xatres
lets get somethin fresh goin here

yo @ #HBC | Gorf (nice ****in tag there bro) Id be interested in a bardull wagon probs if this one ends up being lame or if bardull comes back and says like some scummy **** (@BarDulL do not use this as an excuse to duck out like the slimey ass scum you are, man up and get in here mo****a)

Sorry @Gheb_01 but not really feelin the FML wagon bro, I think we have better potential plays

dude also Jerkus I'm so 100% with you on Scary being in "can die" tier, thats on point

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Can you expand on that?



Not meant to be funny... Nope. Sticking to you. I may compromise on Mac if I have to.



Hey FML, can you actually substantiate these three things? I see you substantiate on me/wk but not on these three. Also, if you like Mac, why are you still voting him? Can you move your vote?

Macs post seem much more like he actually out the time into it and got himself in the game. We'll see if it keeps up but it assuaged most of my qualms with him personally.
Mac and jerkus going at it like this as mates this early seems unnecessary and silly to me.
I a tually forget what the other thi n in this post was but I think rake may have got to it

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Wrt zen I just dont think that hes doing any maneuvering now and nothijgs pinged off of him for me

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@ FullMetalLynch

Where are you? You are voting Mac while you have him as 'like'. You have some reads to substantiate, boy.

I have school 8 am to almost 5 pm erry day and yesterday I had a bbq afterwords for a battles bday and was having a nerf sword fight

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Thoughts on Scary? I have him as a "can die" read. I have no super strong feels on either side of him being town or scum and just I would be okay with him just being dead and no longer being apart of the equation. I asked him to make a huge reads post so I could dissect it and possibly read into it and find a really glaring scum-tell from him since Scary has a problem with reads when he is scum. When he is town, it will show through easily. At the moment, I got nothing from him. I like Xatres as a lynch more. Then I like I<3Giraffe then I would go Scary.

funny, i actually feel like xat is the likelier "can die" read. he's just, like, begging for it man. you'd be kidding yourself if you said otherwise. ill give the wagon moral support and dig its going through... but he's like the epitome of vigbait and i'd rather see if we have legitimately better options.

for scary, i guess i'm just not sure how to feel about the time it took him to actually make a legitimate post. like, in f&l2 he did a LOT of just clownin around and he's doing the exact same thing here as he did there: getting away with it cuz it's in his nature to not make a huge impression. can't dog the guy for being more soft spoken than most others, but when he's town his effort's clear. i'm not sure i remember his last town game and if it's just usual for em to ease into a game this way, but check it.

Too early bro. Feeling things out at the moment. Me & Rake are gonna butt heads for a little bit.

A bunch of people I haven't played too much with or never did. Wanna see Macman in action.

Nabe is already promising posts.

BarDull has been purchased with bison dollars but otherwise is a truck in a mud puddle that cannot get out at the moment.

Not sure what to make of werekill yet.

Waiting for a little more progression broski. Down to chill on some walrus?

i had to prod him for this post, and sure it was just like pg 4 and you can't expect the guy to have all the answers in the world, but i feel like the inserts about mac, nabe, and even werekill may have just been for the sake of naming people. he explains iat the same time the rest of the post is spot on with what i feel a townie in his place would be thinking. but that's not the point. the point is we don't get another serious post for a while. sure inactivity's a thing but like still... i feel like our opinion is the same on him and ultimately i'm just looking forward to seeing what he's got after the fact. i can go on but ultimately he's like igmeoy status *shrug*

 

[Jerkus]

I want to like several of the recent posts made by my other head, but I can't, so instead I would just like to say that everything he's saying is hella on point and ya'll should recognize.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop

well obv not "the same" but still on dat wanna see more to feel more status.

@ Xatres sorry for jerkus' rude response, the fun side is circus. idk why he wasn't so up front for that, but your response would be nice to see. maybe give us both sides of the response?

 

[Jerkus]

Gorf, wrong-o. The fun side was J. All the post but 551 have been the J side for a long while.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Thanks FML.

I thought J was the fun side and Circus was the... not so fun side haha. Plus it sounds like J to me in #534.

 

[Jerkus]

J has officially masked how to be Circus apparently. Full hipster status obtained.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Ah np ran. Just remember military life keeps me busy and I can't always have my phone on me for reading and posting

 

[Jerkus]

J has officially masked how to be Circus apparently. Full hipster status obtained.

 

[Jerkus]

but i feel like the inserts about mac, nabe, and even werekill may have just been for the sake of naming people

This is exactly what tipped me off to disliking Scary because he did that in FFT mafia.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

no i did that so xatres can respond thinking you were circus and we can be like "well cool job responding but we blatantly lied to you." it's really really really obvious telling the difference between your two tones, at least to me, and i thought we'd be able to click well enough for you to notice and follow along with it