Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Jerkus]

So to preface this: This is the fun side of the hydra. I just got done driving about 7 hours today and working out so I am exhausted but I promised Circus I would make a post tonight so here it is.

Okay it seems our slot is getting a lot of attention from what Circus has posted and I do not get it really. Circus is just posting a hunch he has on Macman and looking at it from a non-biased perspective, it is really not fair to call someone out on a D1 hunch persay. People are not even going into what about his tone or etc. is scummy and seems more so people are voting us because he is not fleshing out his thoughts in a 100% clear glass and keeping it a bit more darkened. If this is a big reason why people are voting us, then I see no problem whatsoever with his play and therefore the wagon on us dumb, but can be about because it is providing information and information I like.

I am basically going to blurb about the players about anyone who comes to mind. If you aren't mention, sorry for no love for now, but do more and maybe we can get conversation going.

I like Zen. He is a town-lean, not my strongest of reads because a lot of what he has posted is null Zen stuff, but the tone of his posts make me lean town on him. The reason I lean town on Zen is because he is actively scum-hunting. Zen as scum mainly feigns scum-hunting and creates these huge spectacles to make him look like he is scum-hunting (I.E. Recent example being his super case in Zombies! Mafia) but here I think he is actually asking questions to people and following up on said reads so I am liking him as a town read. I will say if any action about his play I dislike would be his using Scary as a scape-goat, but I think I can see the reason as to why ZenTown would do this and then still find Scary suspicious.

Scary is a read that can just die for now. I do not have many scum-reads thus far and mainly just can die and Scary is a good candidate for this. He has done nothing that truly equates to scum-hunting. Apologies that I cannot drag up the post(this hotel lobby computer is ****, I like the keyboard though), but he made a post that had a bunch of empty reads which set off a huge danger/red-flag to me because when Scary is scum he is really transparent and that read more as ScaryScum just phoning in reads that go nowhere and especially since he is content to do nothing but vote-swing any candidate that seems to be in popular demand even though he is the supposed "head" of the vote triangle of Zen-I<3giraffe-Scary. Scary is a good lynch for toDay's sake in my mind.

I<3Giraffe, I abhor this game. Mainly because they are a headache to read. Ranmaru is doing a majority of the posting and Ryu is doing that image every post kind of snakry posting that is making me groan after each post because it's my least favorite of his posting styles. I also dislike it because it is directed at Circus but I digress there. I dislike the fact that most of their suspicion also stems from the fact that whoever dislikes their slot is equivalent to being scum. However, this is a null point because it is Ranmaru in the hydra and he pretty much backlashes/OMGUS' anyone who has a disagreance with him. The thing about I<3Giraffe that makes me question whether it is just TownRan just herpa-derping around is a point @ Lore brought up which would be the fact that they are pretty much content with ANY and EVERY wagon that becomes available.

1.) They pushed the popular WK wagon: Result: Deflated - no follow-up
2.) They pushed FML *unpopular*: Result: Went nowhere - no follow-up in-depth to FML's response
3.) They are on Jerkus *popular* Result: Dependent - not really questioning us but piggyback questioning what others have brought up.
4.) On Jerkus, but saying they dislike Macman. This is a contradiction. *Go to next paragraph*

On point 4, I would like to expand a bit. I<3Giraffe is being contradictory in a scummy sense where they are just agreeing with every lynch that floats to the table they are okay with. If they are voting us and want us lynched, then how could they be wanting Macman dead? Do they think that we are bussing scum-mates? Do they think that it is SvS? What about Macman adds up to being a valid lynch option if they believe we are scum? It does not compute to a valid solution. Therefore, I think, I<3Giraffe is another person that can be in my can die pile.

Macman is a read I am null on. I agree with Circus that there is validity to pushing Macman. He has a hard-on for Macman so because we are the same person so I will back him 100% in his push against him. The reason is because I am indifferent towards Macman and focusing elsewhere. Macman is just a *meh* read that I am mainly throwing away until he actually does more because right now nothing he has done makes me think him as town and we he is town he is pretty obvious. Right now, because he is null I am worried about him. *salutes better half*

Werekill is probably my strongest town-read. Followed by FML at this point. I see nothing scummy nor questionable about their slots so I will not talk about them in detail.

Gorf is a null-town-lean. I like when he does post but Circus brought up a good point that he is mainly playing armchair. Again, I find myself like a parrot with Gorf, but this is not indicative of his alignment. He sits back and waits till he sees something that he can pounce on, if he doesn't pounce, he's more than likely scum. For now, Gorf can live.

My list of people who need to do more: Nabe/FF/Bardull/Kuzi/Gheb/Xatres/Wanted.

The fact that this list is so long on D1 is concerning to me. Mainly because I had to check the playerlist to remember that Kuzi/Xatres/Wanted were even in this game. I remember a bit of FF and only the fact that he is whiteknighting Macman and that's it. I want FF's actual opinion on a scum-candidate for the Day. I can't tag FF, how sad. Xatres/Wanted/Kuzi just need to post/do something. Nabe says he is coming in tomorrow so I will be anticipating that and then Bardull has disappeared ever since the RVS pressure dropped off of him and I do not like it. Bardull is just a throwaway read where more than likely for the sake of helping me be able to read the game regarding the scenario around him, he'd be better dead or coming in and proving that he is obv-town. I'll take either. Gheb will become obvious later on so I am just going to wait till he proves he's town or slips up. *shrug* Nothing really much else to say towards these reads.

Since Circus is pulling work on Macman, I won't move our vote. I will give where I would probably have my vote at the current time:

Scary/I<3Giraffe and then Kuzi/Xatres/Wanted are in my vig pile to go bye-bye.

Sorry for the lack of gifs in this post. I have some really good ones on my laptop for this hydra but sadly this is all I can do. If I need to explain any of my reads/feels on situations let me know. I am caught up completely but just have a lack of time due to driving. Anything left for Circus will be responded by the next time he gets his feet back into the game.

Question portion:

@ Xivii : I would like to talk to you for a bit. Your huge analysis post was just that, analysis but it really did not do much. You say you find our slot suspicious but for a bunch of null actions. What about us directly is scummy? You also say that you like I<3Giraffe but presented with what they have done I don't think they warrant a town-read. Drop meta for a second when answering me and walk me through the mindset of how one can read them as town. I would also like to know why you are not okay with getting rid of Macman? Oh and please talk dirty to me about Scary, I am really curious/happy that you may or may not be seeing what I am.

@I<3giraffes : Did you know your current avatar is from a manga/anime called AfterSchool Nightmare? If you know what the manga is about, you may not have that avatar haha. Anyways on a serious note, clarify your scum-reads. I want a concrete thought on each one but NOT A CASE. I want an actual tangible opinon and that's it. I also would like a clearing up on the fact that you are contradicting yourself on Macman+Us in terms of reads.

@Scary: I want a full reads-list from you. I think you know why. Talk to me about every player and let's see where that goes. Thanks.

@ Lore : I will be buddying you for a while. I like you and your playstyle. *This is the J-side* Talk to me about Scary. I see your Giraffe suspicion and am nodding along to it so kudos there.

@ #HBC | Gorf : Hop off the armchair for a sec and talk to me 1-on-1. Talk about my can-die list. Thoughts? What do you make of FrozenFlame's defense of Macman since you are doing a similar action.

That's about everything I have for now. Sorry it's not more but tired and just wanting to flesh out some of my own personal thoughts and get more into the game so I can lighten the burden for Circus. Well, untill tomorrow fellas!

 

[Jerkus]

I demand a name-change to Giraffe's hydra. I want the <3 to be a real thing over luv.

Otherwise, fml that turned out longer but I seriously only took 10 minutes to type that up. Guess if I had a keyboard I would never post small posts haha!

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I'm pretty sure I understand @ Jerkus

Werekill
I can agree with you upon being the strongest town read at the moment. His play is just reading to me as innocent right now. All of his content and pushes seem genuine to me plus his concern for stepping on other peoples' toes will usually be enough to trigger a town feeling for me. In fact, my gut feeling on this read for now resides in that concern for others and of his own play. Hard-nosed, honest style that sometimes can seem wishy-washy at times because of concern of what others think.

I<3Giraffes
Unfortunately I also like your case here with iluv. Honestly this slot feels a little more null-ish for me because on top of what werekill mentioned with the 'bloodlust' and how he has tried to take his pushes into wagons, you really cannot ignore the poor pushes that were made on Mac, FMLynch and WK. I feel that if it weren't a Ran hydra, iluv might be on the fast track to #HBC lynching. Personally, I take the jumpiness and willingness to try and push through any wagon ever as a scum tell but it's difficult since I see a ton of Ran meta popping up from a good portion of the people posting. With this slot, I'm going to find myself leaning on others for a little longer. Mostly unclear with the bad pushes, wagon-lust, yet Ran meta saying otherwise stuff.

Macman
After his recent block of posts I feel better about this slot. The last string of posts that he just had accomplish something that essentially everyone voting him was getting on him for and that was posting with more of a purpose. Those post felt open and genuine as he laid out his issues with you, his feels and corrections on WK, a few of his reads as well as a little more on his style of play which I can see is a little more anti-town but not really scummy. If anything, he plays like me but a lot better, generally speaking, and infinitely more experienced. Waits, until he needs to speak and much better at putting out his reads and feels.

FMLynch
No issues with this slot. Probably a townbro. His vote on me was entirely a running gag from the Rake half which will probably keep happening until I get better lol. Pretty much him aiding iluv a bit in trying to push the day along so far, asking people questions and objecting to things he takes issue with. By aiding iluv, I mean just being another person to ask questions and poke at people, not necessarily aiding him.

Zen
Now I want to say that I'm cool with this slot but other people have gotten me thinking on this one a little. Up until that, I've felt good about the slot but the idea that the 'data post' being null and nothing else, and the 'hiding behind me' during the coincidental triple voting block bug me a some. iirc, I don't believe it was ever answered to why he decided to vote alongside me and proclaim that his vote won't move unless mine does. It could be a backhanded way of forcing me to 1) think about the moves I make. I've never been one to create content of my own sadly, more often than not and this would be a way to force me to do so if called upon. Since now I am granted a temp power role because I'd have at least two votes, I would have to be accountable for things I'd do and say. 2) Set me up for something down the line. A scapegoat, like you mentioned @ Jerkus . Personally I think it was #1 but I would like to know the intent of it @ Xivii before I jump to any conclusions.

BarDull
Ummmm....I purchased him? Otherwise, I really have nothing since his opening flurry.

FrozenFlame
The votes on him were my RVS. I held them there as long as I did to scope out the other wagons since I apparently became head of 3 votes. Why I have 3 votes.....still dunno but I knew this slot was in no danger so I saw no harm in keeping the votes there until otherwise necessary. The vote on Nabe is understandable to me at the moment. He's null to me because he's in the process of catching up. Waiting on more content.

Nabe
Has essentially left a vote on iluv since the start. Proclaimed it as not RVS, and said to leave Macman alone. Also gave two brief reads I think. I don't think there is much else here. Could you open up on some of your thoughts Nabe? Perhaps expand on the nonRVS iluv vote or just some general thoughts on the day? That'd be pretty sweet.

Jerkus
I've swung around to you because of the lack of cooperation. Though I must say, your cases have been rather compelling, it cannot be ignored that you are just bypassing questions from others. I suppose you can argue it as anti-town but you're avoiding important stuff that is directed at your more pertinent content. It just doesn't fly man. It might just be me as well but I think someone else mentioned it, wrt to your Mac case. You are leaning far to heavily on whatever happened in Zombies. I understand it is a recent thing to use but this is a new game, and we should just deal with what's in front of us. With you formulating a chunk of your case with regard to meta, I think it's acceptable to say that you are reaching here. Those give me enough reason to not feel so good about ya.

Gorf
4/20 Walrus 4 lyfe! Post more man. You're limited content has been solid but limited as I mentioned. If it weren't for so many other inactive slots, I would yell at ya some. If jerkus nailed anything in his reads list, it's what you bring. Do more so I can feel better about ya (and you can do the same to me :D)

Gheb
I've seen Gheb throw a vote or two around, want others to hop on certain wagons and not too much else. I would like more content here please.

That should take care of everyone that's participating thus far. No mention means no real content and that should be fixed. Sorry about the wall guys and I hope this should suffice for now @ Jerkus . Work beckons for me in the morning.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ Ilovegiraffes can you link me to games where ran is scum and / or explain what you think your most common scum tells are

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe (1) - FrozenFlame
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (5) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Macman, ScaryLB59, Zack Fair
4. FrozenFlame (1) - BarDulL
5. Macman (4) - Jerkus, Gheb_01, FullMetalLynch, Werekill
6. BarDulL (1) - Gorf
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (1) - Nabe
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown)
13. x WaNtEd x
14. Werekill
15. Zack Fair

Not voting: Xatres, X WaNtEd X

 

[Xivii]

What a coincedence, so was I. I was like 5 minutes late, even though I usually always have to run to martial arts. :3

Yeah I was like wait I thought that was Ran..

Random Note: Giraffes happen to be one of my favorite animals. Ever since playing The Last of Us. My two other favorite animals are doggies and hummingbirds.


@ Jerkus

wrt what's scummy about you: I think the push on Mac is too aggressive and premature. It seems forced and ingenuine. Especially the bit about having an obvious connection between mac and iluv. I also do not like how for a good portion of the game you've been actively ignoring a lot of questions thrown your way that would help read you and progress the game. I do not like your early Bardull vote, because I think at that point we already had gotten what we needed from his wagon and that he showed some town-like characteristics that were worthy of ending the wagon. The fact that you continued it there, made me feel like you were not really looking at the situation but were merely attempting to emulate town and latch onto something.

This might have been remedied had you explained what you found scummy about Bardull at that point, but you have avoided that. The reasoning you have recently given doesn't explain to me why you felt Bardull was still worthy of being wagoned at the point of your vote. I agree that his intro post was really sketchy, and had I been on at the time that he made it, I might have voted him myself. This is why I feel that the primary wagon votes were genuine. But you came and voted him after all his flustering and reactions. Your explanation does not explain why you found him worthy of being voted for at that point. What more did you hope to gain from him? The lad was on the verge of claiming for Pete's sake.

It just feels like you have an agenda in all honesty man. You're not looking at Mac critically. Your forcing points against him for the sake of your read. Such as the zombies meta, meta in general, and the obvious iluv connection. I could definitely understand Circus scum reading Mac, but I don't feel him pushing him this aggressively and turning a blind eye to any critical analysis is characteristic of Circus play or of Town play in general.

wrt iluv: Right now I have to say that you, Scary, and iluv are all looking a bit funky. I agree that if we totally put meta aside, iluv would be scum. Ugh it's just so hard. And I don't wanna believe that Ran would abuse the power of our broship like that :[
I like all of Ruy's posts so far though. Ran could have really just been getting ahead of himself and doesn't know how to go about a game this large. I know I've felt that way before. It kind of reminds me of the way I felt in Celebrity Rehab Mafia. Ran's vote hoping is weird and I don't see how he could have had a scum read on FML. But that's not necessarily condemning seeing as he's presented similar cases (such as D1 Zombies on Ashemu). If you turn out to be be town (wither through play or through lynch), I'll consider taking another look at iluv. But as it stands now, I don't think I want to lynch him today.

wrt scary: Scary is my strongest scum read, even more so than yourself. Unfortunately, the only way I'd be able to vote him is if he voted himself lol. Up until now he hasn't really provided any content and has been playing safe with the power bardull and I have given him. As I said, I feel his reluctance to move off of Frozenflame to be really suspicious. It seemed to me he was afraid to make a move and was trying to look consistent. I also do not like his lack of scumhunt so far. He has been completely relying on other people for his reads and hasn't gone into looking into things on his own. There's a lot of content he could get out of peeps with the threat of a triple vote. I really don't like how he asked for my confirmation earlier about moving to you after you guys made your Mac case. I certainly want him to take my opinions into consideration, but ultimately I want him to make his own decisions.

 

[Xivii]

@ Nameless

In this and the last vote count, Werekill should be voting Mac I believe. And Scary and I should be voting Jerkus right after iluv.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@X WaNtEd X

Where you at. I want to see your opinions on the gamestate, and also I want you answer my questions from early on. You posted and just left.

@BarDulL

Where you at son. CONTRIBUTE

@ #HBC | Gorf

Yo. I see you talking alot but I don't see who you want gone. Who's scum?

im honestly a little indecisive. im gonna be the type of scum that doesn't really take a hard stance cuz, well, of the two hard stances I've taken ones kinda fizzled over time (zen) and the other's vla (bardull). i think letting this Day progress and getting more players more tangible content will be crucial, cuz of the 15 players there's like at least 5 just off the top of my head that simply need more content. so idk.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ #HBC | Mac

http://smashboards.com/threads/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-mafia-game-over-infinite-sadness-finest-hour.336668/
http://smashboards.com/threads/final-fantasy-viii-mafia-mafia-wins.329063/
http://smashboards.com/threads/tekken-mafia-now-with-the-real-endgame-flavour-who-won.323615/

First one: I played with marshy/ryu there. I tried to emulate my town play. I got gotted at the end by Zen.
Second one: I super lurked through that one. I was indy with an indy team, I thought I was scum.
Third one: I was hydraing with July. I just let her post most of the time. I was like **** dat.

Most everyone will say lack of interest. Ask Zen.

@ Xivii

You just have to remember how I work. As you like to wait for the pieces to fall into place, I myself try to actively push them in. With FML I'm simply paranoid of him honestly. When I wasn't getting anything from WK I pushed FML to be able to read him better. I also pushed him early because I want to be able to get a solid read on him before he is able to do the same as he has done in FEA. There I think I townread him and didn't really look at him as hard. Both of my leads fell flat and now I'm simply just down with Jerkus/Mac. WRT to FML, i'm leaning slight town.

You are having probs seeing why Jerkus is being so needlessly aggressive towards Mac, and to me it's simple. They are both scum, and he seems over-confident because he knows he is scum. It's funny how you mention my meta in Celeb Rehab mafia (which I need you to clarify, what did you feel about me there?), because Mac was also scum there and is another sample of him DOING THE SAME ****. I think I even called it out there. Now looking at it it was slightly different, but this is the post:

I also feel that at least one of rr/marshy/macman can be scum trying to get a CC d1, since they were on X1's wagon for very crap reasoning.

Vote: X1

Can you substantiate on what you are referring to?

Basically what Mac did was vote X1 and then he was pretty much absent. Then the dude went off scumreading me for saying that he was early on the wagon to bus. In simpsons mafia I wrongly read Mac thinking he was just arguing with me to make me look bad but nah, that guy was just town trying to figure out my alignment and shiz. Mac was active there and wasn't being a ***** ass whinny the pooh-pooh. He was there actively leading town and helped us get the serial killer d1. He lurked half way through due to [reasons] but had he stayed in we might have seen a different direction. Now look, in Zombies he did the same thing. HE FRICKIN ZONES IN ON MY LOGIC. That fool. I'm like "for real... again. AGAIN." Plus it was legit logic, that caught soup scum from the beginning. He has done NO such thing here. Anyways, repeating, I'll wait to see more of his play develop after today.

Back to me. I'm town because I'm willing to push avenues I think are good leads to develop my reads. I'm doing work, it's just not really well received. I need more content from absent peeps before pinning the last scums. WK was a weak start, and again, after all that I reached the conclusion that he is dumb or scum. With him I simply have to keep my eye on him but at the moment I'm not confident in him being scum. Circus mentioned that I was being nitpicky, and I never realized that being a problem. I realize that I'm thorough and bring up small details, and I say that has more reason to show that I'm town, reading carefully. I also did some stuff in Necromaf that got me pressure, while you had the conveniece of knowing my alignment there. I don't think my reasonings on WK were bad either, for the time I came in. It was no lie that I did the most work at the time. WK was the only other wagon besides Bardull and Frozen iirc, and it moved the gamestate forward. It even helped me see scum in Mac, because he hopped on it without really giving much reason. Otherwise due to me fumbling, I have seen scum in Mac, and Jerkus (trying to take advantage of it). Otherwise I wouldn't have seen said scum without just waiting on scum to scum it up on someone else. I'm not saying I fumbled on purpose, but I have no qualms with initiating fights with people early to develop reads.

Finally, you are correct. This is a large, so of course it's going to be easier for me as town to fumble multiple times before finding scum. Scum is also most likely going to try to play harder, and even lurk harder since it's a large. You just did most of the work getting Jerkus. Seeing how Jerkus has pushed my slot leaves me confident in him being scum. He is trying to paint me as scum, with my fumbling and whatnot. Seeing Mac do nothing and even siphon my Werekill push makes me think he is scum. I'm fine with getting Jerkus first though and see Mac's play develop more, and I'll definitely be looking at his next push. Also consider he isn't doing his own work right now, Jerkus isn't his original push. He didn't have much of a push at all. Keep that in mind.

Sometimes when I have a townread on someone and it wavers, I ask myself "Why did I initially town read them? Oh mah gawd how can I doubt him, he did X to make me think he's town!" So just ask yourself why you have me as town, and look at the possible reasons as why I would do these things as town. You'll find reasons, I'm sure. Also, just let me do my work after more of the cast contributes AFTER D1. Obviously I can't find all the scum, especially if both scum are Jerkus and Mac. (I would think the rest would play it safe, maybe one would be ballsy, maybeeee)

I don't think I have anything else to say. This is my thought process, unfiltered, just for you. If you ever have the thought of "why would he ever think this", simply come to me, and talk to me about that person and my mindset on it. Finally, let me do the rest of my work after the rest of the cast contributes and gives enough content for me to read. I may have even repeated things, I think I said alot. If you have any probs, get at me.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ #HBC | Gorf

Aight. Thanks.

@ Jerkus

The above should answer your q's. I also should clarify on FML: His response to me doesn't seem malicious. I can just see him just thinking I'm being dumb. It's also hard to get a bead on FML because both Rake and Orbo are in it, both who I expect to do the same shiz towards me. I was just concerned with him focusing on talking down WK more than finding scum and answering my Q (remember he still isn't really doing much, he's still on mac now) but I'm guessing he's just taking a lazy approach.

@ FullMetalLynch

How are you feeling about Jerkus right now, actually? Just wondering. What is your current read on me, zen, and mac still?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I demand a name-change to Giraffe's hydra. I want the <3 to be a real thing over luv.

That requires premium. I will say I regret not thinking of it earlier. ;-;

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ #HBC | Gorf

Oh yeah. On Zen, I will say with confidence that he is town. Dude is already slightly doubting me, which shows he is town who can't easily say 'this guy is town' without having to second guess. I also just find his pushes to be genuine, not faked like in Zombies where he would just do dumb shiz like make weird theories and fake push you. (Fun fact: I got the instinct to make a case on scumryu simply to ****-block NL's attempt to lynch you, and hey it worked) He also gets ahead of himself and goes "Why would you think this" because he expects us to be synched. Usually as we hydrad and masoned I don't remember us actually disagreeing much. Eventually I feel he'll come around to see Macscum when it counts regardless, and we'll be able to catch other scum once they show themselves.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

lol I forgot

@ Jerkus

On my avatar, that isn't from that anime/manga you are talking about. It's actually from One Piece. xD It's Kaku using his fruit to transform into this crazy ass giraffe dude that uses frickin swords. He's actually really cool. Too bad he ded. I'll check that anime/manga tho, thanks!

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Another thing on Mac. Zack, you say that Jerkus got on Bardull late after it seemed Bardull already had given enough of a reaction to garner reads. Yet consider this. Mac just voted Bardull without much of a reason, only because Bardull seemed weird. Like I said initially, mac left his vote on bardull so others could wagon him and so he could look bad, while Mac is away and isn't actually doing ****. Then he transitions his vote to werekill without much reasoning at all. Consider that I have asked him multiple times why he voted him/what his read on Bardull was. It took him forever to answer this. AGAIN. I consider Jerkus + Mac scum together, and I can see jerkus bussing mac. So this is no contradiction from me.

How are you reading mac now btw

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@ #HBC | Gorf

Aight. Thanks.

@ Jerkus

The above should answer your q's. I also should clarify on FML: His response to me doesn't seem malicious. I can just see him just thinking I'm being dumb. It's also hard to get a bead on FML because both Rake and Orbo are in it, both who I expect to do the same shiz towards me. I was just concerned with him focusing on talking down WK more than finding scum and answering my Q (remember he still isn't really doing much, he's still on mac now) but I'm guessing he's just taking a lazy approach.

@ FullMetalLynch

How are you feeling about Jerkus right now, actually? Just wondering. What is your current read on me, zen, and mac still?

Talking things over with rake.
I really like js big post over night. Its just stream of conscious spouting off and letting his thoughts be known. And I doubt he slips that 10 minutes comment thing in there as scum because it would serve no purpose.
Unsure on you. Discussion will progress
I like zen.
I like mac after his spree.
I dont think jerkus and mac are bussing each other tbh but I'll let you play that avrnue out

 

[Nameless]

Updated the votecount on this page. S'accurate now.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Substantiate those for me.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I'm pretty sure I understand @ Jerkus
FrozenFlame
The votes on him were my RVS. I held them there as long as I did to scope out the other wagons since I apparently became head of 3 votes. Why I have 3 votes.....still dunno but I knew this slot was in no danger so I saw no harm in keeping the votes there until otherwise necessary.

Which other wagons? Why keep them on Frozen (who saw the votes and didn't react to them), when you could have pressured one of the other wagons and be able to draw conclusions from them? Isn't that a bit safe?

 

[Lore]

Even after those long posts, I have no idea what to make of Mac. Hm.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

How are you feeling on Jerkus, @ Lore ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Too bad he ded. I'll check that anime/manga tho, thanks!

Except he didnt

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Except he didnt

Im a bad pkayer

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Except he didnt

Even worse at qouting

 

[Lore]

How are you feeling on Jerkus, @ Lore ?

I feel like he's fairy solid, but it's only Day 1. I've found myself agreeing with the majority of his reasoning minus keeping a number of things to himself, so I'm generally trusting his judgement for now. Fairly good town read for the Day that will have to be shaken by flips and later information from other Days.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Ah ok. How do you feel about Zen's case on him? How does that fit with your read on Jerkus?

 

[Lore]

Ah ok. How do you feel about Zen's case on him? How does that fit with your read on Jerkus?

I feel like it's mostly based on the case against Mac feeling "forced and ungenuine," but since I agree with a lot of the points against Mac (minus meta and his recent string of posts), I don't feel that the case was false. Then he talks about how if he (Zen) had been on at the time, he feels that he would have voted Bardull himself. If that's the case, why is it so suspicious? I mean sure he kept it going for a good while (and I'd like to know what exactly he got out of that), but keeping pressure going isn't a scum tell.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

the number of failed attempts to tag me is downright hilarious

literally worth the $3 for premium just to watch people on the struggle bus hahaha

@ Xivii 's #405 is like the towniest post I've read all game. dude let's buddy up. I know you're probably thinkin "oh **** stage 5 clinger up in this *****" considering I basically stole your old name but trust me Im well adjusted n **** and I wont go crazy I promise <3

god Im so not compelled by like any of the suggested wagons right now

is it mean to want to just pressure the new guy for funsies?

I think this game needs new focus. Its getting myopic with most discussion surrounding mac/giraffes/jerkus. But I'm def being that asshole who's like "man **** what we're talking about" but then has no better topic to suggest anyway =/

Vote: Wanted for now. People can join me though if we wanna pick on the new guy cuz thats always interesting

Kinda wish xatres was more in dis too. Fresh opinions are so mmmmmm

bbl when I actually think of a new angle to discuss in this game

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Another thing on Mac. Zack, you say that Jerkus got on Bardull late after it seemed Bardull already had given enough of a reaction to garner reads. Yet consider this. Mac just voted Bardull without much of a reason, only because Bardull seemed weird. Like I said initially, mac left his vote on bardull so others could wagon him and so he could look bad, while Mac is away and isn't actually doing ****. Then he transitions his vote to werekill without much reasoning at all. Consider that I have asked him multiple times why he voted him/what his read on Bardull was. It took him forever to answer this. AGAIN. I consider Jerkus + Mac scum together, and I can see jerkus bussing mac. So this is no contradiction from me.

How are you reading mac now btw

omfg just stahpp

it took me a while to answer your q cuz i didn't have a ****ing read on bardull because i had no idea what he'd done, i had to read the thread (lo and behold he hasn't even done anything... so it was a ******** question anyways)

****ing baffles me that you are making the act of leaving my vote on a player into this elaborate scum scheme to get a wagon (lynch?) on some random ass player slot. and that you think i did it with my second ****ing post of the game... holeee ****

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

The prods begin.

Kuzi, Xatres, and wanted all have been prodded.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

it's so hard for me to see ran as anything but town when he says dumb **** like that.. how backwards sigh


anyways @Gheb_01 where you at? you wanna flesh out any of your thought processes on the wagons you've joined?

Also on a similar but not as relevant note, I sweeear you changed your playstyle since i've been gone into this terrible crap I see now. Like you only comment on **** every once in a blue moon. though usually they are actually legitimate but pretty spare statements it feels like you're not really adding much of anything to the thread and just going and seem to wanna fit in without actively accomplishing much... did you change your playstyle so that it'd be easier to play games here as scum?

 

[Xatres]

I'm still getting caught up, but I likely wouldn't have posted any opinions yet anyways. Enjoying armchair/apathy mode. 15 players is too many for my tastes.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@FrozeηFlame (gotcha?!) && @ #HBC | Gorf seems like you two don't really have much of an opinion on who might be scum from the current wagons... what do you think of circus's continued push on me, specifically posts like his #360? I might be narrowminded cuz it's from my POV but his posts feel very targeted and not as if there was legitimate 'is mac really scum cuz of these reasons' thought behind it. You guys came to the conclusion that my lack of real scumhunting / playing over the last day or so was null or so but Circus's is using it as the basis of his argument. Do you think it's weird at all that his conclusion is starkly different from yours?

(lol i just realize i was getting all this activity **** while the game had only lasted 3 ****in days and half the player cast hadn't even posted anything of merit... smh)

@ #HBC | Gorf , still leaning Bardull scum? I assume you're thinking everyone else whose been posting thus far is pretty null or town?

I wish hydras would be more united in their dealings... (looking at you girraffes and Jerkus)

 

[Lore]

I'm still getting caught up, but I likely wouldn't have posted any opinions yet anyways. Enjoying armchair/apathy mode. 15 players is too many for my tastes.

Then why did you join? Blatantly not doing anything and waiting for the player count to drop is ridiculously anti town.

I'm ok with giving a bit of faith since you said you're catching up, but don't say **** like this.

 

[Lore]

@ #HBC | Mac It wasn't activity **** for me. It was mostly that the only activity you actually gave was saying that you'll be "obvtown I swear!" when you start posting (paraphrased obv).

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm still getting caught up, but I likely wouldn't have posted any opinions yet anyways. Enjoying armchair/apathy mode. 15 players is too many for my tastes.

this is a cop out

@FrozeηFlame (gotcha?!)

damnit

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ #HBC | Mac It wasn't activity **** for me. It was mostly that the only activity you actually gave was saying that you'll be "obvtown I swear!" when you start posting (paraphrased obv).

that happened over the span of just like 1.5 real life days, and I even gave you guys a time perioud for when I planned to catch up. pre much what happens, i make some stupid drunken posts wake up the next morning and say they were dumb and i have no real reads and plan to catch up and that i didn't want this dumb **** to derail the thread...

then you had ppl like Jerkus and Girafes who were the ones to give me **** about not instantly living up to angelmac meta and THAT is what kept prompting my gimme a sec to catch up responses.

the more I think about it the more ****ing dumb it seems that Circus was latching onto this line of thinking so hard... Gheb joining the wagon read null to me and I could see him doing that as town cuz my play was pretty distracting and not useful, but now I'm curious of what was going through his head then and what his thoughts are now

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ #HBC | Mac you got it. none of the wagons are just... worthwhile to me. i feel like jerkus' push on you is reachy at worst (as well as everyone's push on you) but truth be told, even you said it, most of your play's been anti town. i personally don't think it's scummy and am not willing to wagon someone of the pretense of just not doing much, which in reality is a fair synopsis of your play. no hidden traps. no snakes in any cans. just having done much.

and yea, bardull is still the only read i can call scum. im willing to give the benefit of the doubt cuz... maybe he was just being that much of a social spaz during rvs?... but he'll probz be obv if he's scum in his next post so whatever. the closest thing to a scum read aside from em is scary but that's a stretch really. the rest is totally null/town/****ing post.

 

[Lore]

I'm feeling Mac a bit less, but I've got a couple hunches I'm gonna think on after a reread tonight.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@FrozeηFlame (gotcha?!) && @ #HBC | Gorf seems like you two don't really have much of an opinion on who might be scum from the current wagons... what do you think of circus's continued push on me, specifically posts like his #360?

Well kudos for atleast getting your tag to link to my profile. It didn't alert me though, which is kinda weird o_O

And you're right, I dont have any strong opinions on who is scum atm. My scumdar hasn't been pinging much yet.

As for those types of posts, I feel like theyre just like plausible arguments with conclusions too strong for their premises. I see the point being made, I just don't really think its condemning evidence. Your play doesn't scream town but it doesn't scream like a calculated scum tactic either. I'd need to see a different reaction from you in reponse to their attacks than what I have seen to really get suspicious of you for this type of early game play.

Speaking of, @ Jerkus who wrote #360? And also who wrote that post where you were like "WHY MAC IS SCUM INDEPENDANTLY" and "WHY GIRAFFES IS SCUM INDEPENDENTLY"?

@ Gorf dude I might dig on a bardull wagon, sell me on this scum read of yours

@ Xatres dude we get it 15 slots is a lot of bull**** to sort but it only gets easier going forward and the faster we start killin ******* the more manageable **** gets. If sit in the background all day though and ***** about the player count though you ain't gonna see that new world. You gotta earn your way into the slimmed down sleek as **** mid/late game crew, can't just coast there yo

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

can we lynch xat if all other avenues blow by the end of toDay due to strict policy?