I'm keeping this short for the sake of everyone.
More Forcing Scum Reads
I feel their reaction to Ran's misinterpretation- once again- was far too over the top. Ranmaru and Ryu are both hardcore town. Their reaching for this slot to be scum is quite possibly the most grimy thing about them so far. Especially since J of all people has iluv as his strongest scum read. Ran was clearly just asking for some clarification and it showed that he didn't believe the point he was insinuating to be true if it wasn't the J side who was arguing the logic the hydra was providing. But Jerkus reacted as if Ran was being the most malicious person on earth. His pushing of him is so insincere to me, the same way I feel his Mac push to be insincere. Once again Jerkus has failed to just be straight up in the game. Instead of simply explaining to Ran his inaccuracy, they instead knee-jerk, and twist the situation into Ran being malicious. It seems to me they will use anything to push their made up scum reads.
1.) I have not said Iluv is one of my strongest scum-reads. He is on my highest can die list because of the fact that their play is questionable and so are their pushes. I am setting aside meta because I feel strongly on the fact that Ranmaru is getting away with too much bull this game over that of others. Just going "Lol that's Ran" as an excuse is garbage. My personal strongest scum-read is Xatres and Circus' is Macman. That much you should know so stop.
2.) You say that we are not being forward, your point? So what if we aren't being forward? Read context, read what we are posting, and try to realize that not everyone plays like an open book. Otherwise I refer to this .gif:
Rest of your white-knighting of I<3Giraffe is meh because of the hypocrisy you are using that towards Gorf but I am going to move aside because it is not pertinent to finding scum.
Zen said:
Appeal & Manipulation
#469 is hella wonky. J was about to push something here but completely backtracked after gorf told him he didn't like it. And since then he has completely abandoned it. J as a person is so independent and gives a **** what other people think about his reads. If he's reading someone a certain way, then he's going to stick to it. His backtrack from his
#465 shows clear signs that J cares about his image this game and that he is trying to appeal to gorf- the white knight master. Looking at J's interaction with gorf since then, there is surely something odd there. It is possible that they are so awkward because it is s/s. Right now, however, I'm giving gorf the benefit of the doubt and taking it as J just molding his views to appeal to gorf's. Here's the quotes from #465-#469 for reference:
Other than gorf, I feel it is highly evident that Jerkus is making it a point to appeal to Werekill. I mean what is this even:
Monster Mafia - Day One - Deadline is 6/21/14???
Please read those lines of posts and tell me how this fits in at all other than to appeal to WK. This isn't the only time they've done this. They have reiterated how much they like him on multiple occasions. It's quite possible they are lovers. Reason being that 471 was completely random. And also that Werekill has made attempts to handhold their slot, only to be ignored. This makes me feel that (A) they don't want to be too direct/open with their manipulation or (B) they have been answering him in private. Whatever the case is, I very much believe they are trying to manipulate him.
I did not backtrack off of anything. The fact that you think that I did that because of something Gorf said is horrendous. I am not backing down from FF and merely just asked him questions. I was not coming at him in the sense I do with scum-reads myself. You are being dense on this point.
Then you say that I am caring about my image? Hello? How in the world is this scummy? Of course I care about my image, this slot has been pushed to the end of the metaphorical plank with multiple people pushing us off it. (We've sat at L-2/L-3 nearly all game) So yeah, as town, I am not wanting to be lynched and be a ML. Herp, derp, Zen. Just gosh you cannot read me.
You say I am appealing to WK, again, HOW is this scummy? Appealing and Manipulation is a part of the game. I am mainly appealing to WK because I like him as a person, I like his playstyle, AND I find him towny. Therefore, I will appeal to him and I will do whatever the hell I feel like to people in game. Thank you very much. You are forgetting to mention FF's blatant, even moreso than mine, appealing to you and hard-buddying you. So until you actually look at things in perspective, this argument is over.
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Zen said:
Another thing of note that was really funky odd suspisous scummy to me was J's
#538. The logic presented in this post seems so scum-faked to me. It doesn't line up. J's meta on Scary would insinuate he is scum. But even though the premise to Scary scum is filled, J come so the conclusion of null/nothing on him.
"I asked him to make a huge reads post so I could dissect it and possibly read into it and find a really glaring scum-tell from him since Scary has a problem with reads when he is scum. When he is town, it will show through easily. At the moment, I got nothing from him."
It seems so scum-faked? No, my meta on Scary would not insinuate he is scum. My meta on Scary insinuates exactly what I said. You are trying to force what you think I would do as your reality. Scary has not done anything but sheep and give hollow reads, that is Scary as a person.
Overall, most of your points are just you saying. "This is what I think J would do as scum." and sorry but not sorry to break it to you but you are incorrect. Plus you are not correct in knowing how I think as town/scum. Therefore, I have nothing else to say towards your suspicion.
