Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop

...we blatantly lied to you cuz what dafuq difference does it make?"

 

[Jerkus]

Wah, this hydra messed up. Oh well, it wouldn't have done much of anything but your tone is so neutral to me I can't tell when you are setting something up or just being...well null.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

and Mac is being waffly on stances

don't just spew random ****

 

[Jerkus]

no i did that so xatres can respond thinking you were circus and we can be like "well cool job responding but we blatantly lied to you." it's really really really obvious telling the difference between your two tones, at least to me, and i thought we'd be able to click well enough for you to notice and follow along with it

The Circus head actually did notice it, tbh.

Whatever, anyone asking for clarification on the head for the sake of being able to respond properly doesn't deserve an answer either way.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

yea it's just j that's estoopid

 

[Jerkus]

don't just spew random ****

Well do you have a hard stance on something?

 

[Jerkus]

yea it's just j that's estoopid

It's sad that I liked it myself.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Get a room you three jesus.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yea... i've been pretty clear about my learntown reads and how i felt about certain scenarios and that I think you're the scummies thus far.

i think the better question is what made my actions appear waffly to you in the first place? though I can't expect that I'll get an actual answer since your slot has a tendency this game to make random claims and not explain the reasoning behind them

 

[#HBC | Mac]

read through scary's posts this game to get a better sense of the slot, there wasn't too much there but also nothing I'm seeing seems scummy.

I liked the logic Gorf presented about how Scary was mentioning ppl just to name people and that thought process lines up with how Gorf reacted to that post back when it was made. This makes me feel even better about gorf cuz it's indicative of the fact that he's having thoughts about the game / internally scumhinting even though he hadn't presented his thoughts right away

fwiw, I don't know scary or his meta, so I'm not sure how much that random mentioning action is indicative of him being scum. I didn't particularly read the random mentioning of ppl to be too scummy, i could easily see it being that Scary just wanted to show to Gorf (who prompted scary's response with a questions) that he was keeping up with what was going on in the thread

@Xatres wagon is a good one, need to figure out if that slot is scum or simply confident and misguided dumb.

feel like i have a lot of ppl in my learntown / null list... so far noone is really making me feel like taking my vote off of Jerkus cuz I still think they're the scummiest thus far

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

^
Scumlean, null-guttown. Whatever head of Jerkus that's been posting isn't meshing.
What is your read on FML, and which of you is scumreading WK?.

Ryu's read on FML was town, iirc. Ran was scumreading WK. Dumb or Scum for now.

Is your read on Jerkus strong enough to join the wagon?

@#HBC | Zen
I am wondering what your thoughts are so far.

@BarDulL

Where you at? Post today, or replace out dude. We are waiting for content from you and others.

@th3kuzinator

Yo where you at. Need some content from you too.

@X WaNtEd X

Hello? Did you forget you joined this game or something?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I want to note that I'll be V/la over the weekend, saturday night and the whole day sunday, I'm visiting a friends place to just play vidya.

 

[Jerkus]

yea... i've been pretty clear about my learntown reads and how i felt about certain scenarios and that I think you're the scummies thus far.

i think the better question is what made my actions appear waffly to you in the first place? though I can't expect that I'll get an actual answer since your slot has a tendency this game to make random claims and not explain the reasoning behind them

Other head here, so I may be putting words in J's mouth. But I think when he said waffly, he really just meant wishy-washy, which I don't think is unfair. Your biggest scumread is us, and the reasoning seems to just be that this head went out you pretty hard and hasn't answered every arbitrary request asked of it. Pretty weak.

For what it's worth, I would agree with the sentiment that I believe Gorf expressed earlier that your play more recently has been better, though it's tough to put too much faith in it since it only changed after a wagon formed on you and I explicitly explained what it was about you that was bothering me. But right now, I like my partner's decision to move to Xatres, so I'm not as interested in you at the moment.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ Jerkus

Can you quote what exactly it was that mac said was waflly or wishy-washy?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Also, I have a question. If your head goes by the mantra of 'treat us as one head', why do you label yourselves 'other head' at times? It is a bit confusing.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Your biggest scumread is us, and the reasoning seems to just be that this head went out you pretty hard and hasn't answered every arbitrary request asked of it. Pretty weak.

literally just 1 request

you're not scummy only cuz of that either, it's just that it has become a pattern this game and I feel like you're not answering ppl's legitimate questions in order to avoid looking bad. I mean I don't really see any reason to not expand on your thought processes when asked about it.

even if you were right, i'm also not sure how weak reasoning == wishy-washiness... but ok

 

[Jerkus]

It's not a specific thing, I think? He's just qualifying everything he says. "Gorf said something I agree with about Scary, but I don't know his meta so I don't know." "Xatres is a good wagon, but I don't know, could be dumb or scum." "Gheb and his push on FML worries me but I don't have a lot to work with on him so eh, whatever."

Like I said, we're his biggest scumread, and even we were, not long ago, just described as "problematic." Mac seems pretty hesitant to plant his flag anywhere too strongly.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Mac and jerkus should stop circle jerking this as I feel its closing off their limited time to this same loop of conversation

 

[Jerkus]

That last post was at giraffes 573

Also, I have a question. If your head goes by the mantra of 'treat us as one head', why do you label yourselves 'other head' at times? It is a bit confusing.

Because even after I said that everybody keeps dogging us about it. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't, so in that post I decided to just make it clear that I was answering in a line of conversation that didn't actually stem from something I said, so there was some interpretation happening. Which is markedly different from, say Xatres needing to know which head said something so that he can decide if he liked it or not.

 

[Jerkus]

Mac and jerkus should stop circle jerking this as I feel its closing off their limited time to this same loop of conversation

I would love to do that. My vote is on Xatres. I would much prefer to be talking with him.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Mac and jerkus should stop circle jerking this as I feel its closing off their limited time to this same loop of conversation

No they shouldn't. I asked them a question and the conversation should resolve itself naturally so we can read them.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Especially since you are unsure on Mac.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

nah they should totally stop ******** at each other

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

D: < *crosses arms*

 

[Jerkus]

literally just 1 request

you're not scummy only cuz of that either, it's just that it has become a pattern this game and I feel like you're not answering ppl's legitimate questions in order to avoid looking bad. I mean I don't really see any reason to not expand on your thought processes when asked about it.

This is all I'll say on this.

That ONLY thing I haven't explained that people (you, specifically) have been asking me about, is my you/giraffes hunch. I have not elaborated on it because it is irrelevant to my individual reads on your slots and does not help us achieve a sensible lynch toDay. That is completely sound reasoning. It is not worth our time to get into it until we have a flip to go off of; it would just contribute to thread-clog.

The only argument you've given as to why I should bother getting into this concept is that it would help you understand my thought-process better. I would argue that I've already given you plenty of content on which you can judge my thought process. Your obsession with this one idea is a silly thing to focus on and you should really get over it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

It's not a specific thing, I think? He's just qualifying everything he says. "Gorf said something I agree with about Scary, but I don't know his meta so I don't know." "Xatres is a good wagon, but I don't know, could be dumb or scum." "Gheb and his push on FML worries me but I don't have a lot to work with on him so eh, whatever."

Like I said, we're his biggest scumread, and even we were, not long ago, just described as "problematic." Mac seems pretty hesitant to plant his flag anywhere too strongly.

2 of these quotes happened after you claimed i was being waffly and then the third happened after you asked me those questions.

So these three quotes of mine weren't even in play when you asked me to choose between scary / girraffes, so my being waffly couldn't have been the reason you asked me those questions. If these posts are the reason you feel i've been waffly

Mac and jerkus should stop circle jerking this as I feel its closing off their limited time to this same loop of conversation

honestly, I have been worrying a bit about being tunnelled as I am prone to get at times, and many of the ppl who i'd want to listen to me aren't feeling jerkus scum so I been feeling like it's probably best to just let it go for now and resume this Jerkus thing down the line a Day or two from now.

but like I've said before, none of the other slots interest me / seem as scummy to me right now or are constantly saying **** that seems questionable.

and like girraffes said, it was a new line of questioning that he brought up and that just happened to cater back to this old argument

 

[#HBC | Mac]

This is all I'll say on this.

That ONLY thing I haven't explained that people (you, specifically) have been asking me about, is my you/giraffes hunch. I have not elaborated on it because it is irrelevant to my individual reads on your slots and does not help us achieve a sensible lynch toDay. That is completely sound reasoning. It is not worth our time to get into it until we have a flip to go off of; it would just contribute to thread-clog.

The only argument you've given as to why I should bother getting into this concept is that it would help you understand my thought-process better. I would argue that I've already given you plenty of content on which you can judge my thought process. Your obsession with this one idea is a silly thing to focus on and you should really get over it.

see this is not legitimate reasoning at all. is there any downfall whatsoever to explaining what you thought back then? just give me any reason why explaining what you thought would hurt town and then I'll understand why you care so much about dodging the question.

Just because you've given town other content to work with doesn't mean there should be content that you explicitly withhold for no reason. Not everything you say or do is gonna lead ppl to get a strong lean on you either way and the more data points the more you explain your thought processes the more helpful it is. It's especially more important for you to explain things when ppl don't understand why you've made a statement. Scum sometimes slip up and say things that can't be coming from *actual scumhunting thoughts* and when a player seems to spot something that feels off and probes you about it, the best thing a town player can do is to explain why they said it in order to clarify or help the player not misread some ****. On the other hand, scum is more likely to wanna dodge **** they can't reliably explain simply because they can't reliably explain it

If answering a question can help ppl get a better sense of your slot i don't see why you wouldn't wanna do it.

sidenote: this is why when ppl like Xatres says dumb **** like "oh my playstyle d1 is to keep a lot of cards close to my chest' or Jerkus says **** like 'does noone keep stuff to themselves anymore sheesh!" I'm just confused af. Unless you're a PR or trying to trap someone (which is iffy at best) there's generally no reason to keep your thought processes to yourself. At least I know when I'm town it feels so easy to come off as obvtown cuz I just say anything that comes to my mind and over time it becomes obvious to town that my posts are indicating my actual scumhunting



anyways, this was a long as post for something that should be self-explanatory imo. If you had just responded with the simplest 1 liner back when I asked you this, none of this **** would be an issue right now

if ppl think this debate **** is derailing the thread, my b... but it's gotta be said

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Hey Jerkus, how does that compare to these two quotes:

Town doesn't gain anything because it's a weak point, and if I say what it is, then you can easily avoid what I think you would do as scum, which would make it way more difficult for me to read you.

This is circular logic. You should bring up the post and talk about it even if it would be a weak post because that provides discussion for everyone who didn't see what you see. I would like to see this because Ashemu is sitting directly at null for us. I would like to see some hard things and yours seems promising.

 

[Jerkus]

see this is not legitimate reasoning at all. is there any downfall whatsoever to explaining what you thought back then? just give me any reason why explaining what you thought would hurt town and then I'll understand why you care so much about dodging the question.

I literally just said it in my last post. Thread-clog.

We are three days away from deadline. We are not even approaching consensus on a lynch. Half the player roster is still a question mark. I am not going to sit here and lay out a hunch I have on you and giraffes being mates, before I even know for sure that one of you is scum, just to have you dissect and explain why it obviously doesn't mean anything concrete. That gets us NOWHERE.

And before you even start moaning about it, yes, I'm ignoring the rest of your post because you are officially derailing at this point.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

No they shouldn't. I asked them a question and the conversation should resolve itself naturally so we can read them.

then by all means get the conversation to a natural stopping point. But mac and jerkus have been going at the same thing over and over without slamming really anything new onto it. Imo id much rather prefer them to focus on other avenues at least publicly even if they don't remove their votes or scumreads because then I can judge them better then just saying"well I think mac is looking more townie as this goes but iunno"
Much more discussion and avenues of doing things can then be explored

 

[Jerkus]

Hey Jerkus, how does that compare to these two quotes:

Did you seriously just go to Zombies Mafia just to excavate a post trying to falsely equate my slot to Joey's in that game?

I'm absolutely ****ing done. That isn't even reaching; that requires a new word entirely.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

**** it is 3 days isnt it?
Unvote vote Xatres

 

[Jerkus]

Also, way to cut out all of the context from the quotes so I can't even point to any of the many variables that would obviously make that situation different from this one without going back to that game and digging up those posts myself.

Shady as ****, for real.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Did you seriously just go to Zombies Mafia just to excavate a post trying to falsely equate my slot to Joey's in that game?

I'm absolutely ****ing done. That isn't even reaching; that requires a new word entirely.

Whoa, I wasn't saying you were doing the same thing. I just put the quote there for context for why you said it. I'm wondering why you are withholding something when you yourself as moria, told Joey to release it as it shows the rest of the town something they might not have seen, and get a better read on mac/me. I was just wondering why you'd not go by the same logic here.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Hey Jerkus, how does that compare to these two quotes:

What in the **** do you even get out of this comparison and what inspired that thought jump??

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Ninjas though

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I just explained it, FML.

 

[Jerkus]

Whoa, I wasn't saying you were doing the same thing. I just put the quote there for context for why you said it. I'm wondering why you are withholding something when you yourself as moria, told Joey to release it as it shows the rest of the town something they might not have seen, and get a better read on mac/me. I was just wondering why you'd not go by the same logic here.

The head you are speaking to, and consequentially the head who primarily holds the mac/giraffes hunch, was not one of the heads of Moira.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I saw that after I posted

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

But you said it was J who gave the question out? ...