Official Mario Enigma Machine [1.1.1] Patch Notes

[Shaya]

Hello and welcome to our bimonthly ****fest!
Please avoid posting things you cannot confirm with evidence. Placebo be damned.
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Please double check to see if something you've posted hasn't already been done so. In the top right corner you are able to search specifically within THIS thread, try the character name and see what others have said (+what's been disconfirmed or otherwise)
REMEMBER that damage decreases or increases nearly linearly affects knock back and hit stun. No need to say "this move kills earlier or later" when we already are aware of damage changes. IF damages aren't changed and knock back is different that should be noted.
For the most part, hitbox changes (size or angles) are hard to confirm without data backing and require hard evidence to be noted. Otherwise, hopefully we'll get a data dump some time soon #_#
Please be careful about comparing WiiU to 3DS with different versions, blast zones are different even on shared stages and other visual ques can be different. This means a move will kill at different percent in either version.

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Global Changes

• The latest season of Doctor Who has started, ~BREATHE~ fortunately Sundays are far far away
• Shield damage on tech get up attack decreased across the cast 10 → 8
• Shield stun mechanics altered: formula assumed: [(damage / 1.75)+2] instead of (damage/2.56) [?]
• Please refer to here for shield changes: http://smashboards.com/threads/419235/
• Invincibility on back roll and air dodges FORWARD ROLL reduced by 1 [?]

Table listing is in alphabetical order. You can sort the table by provided values for your convenience.

Thanks to Thinkaman for dumping move set data and hence being the source of a hyper majority of the provided information thus far

Character | Last (PST) | Changes | MISHAUN COMPREE
Bowser | Thurs 07:49 |

• Fireball (N-Special 2)
  • Initial hit damage increased 5% → 6%
  • Initial hitbox base 25 → 35, size 4 → 5
  • Initial hit duration increased from 15 → 20 frames
  • Weaker hit damage 3.5% → 5%, size 3.5 → 5
  • Ending reduced ?
• Neutral Air
  • Damage on hits increased 5% → 6%
  • Landing lag reduced 24 → 20 frames

| ★
Bowser Jr | Thur 23:00 |

• Tech Get Up Attack alternative to global; shield damage 1 → 10
• (N-Special 3) ending reduced by 14 frames
• Cannonball (Neutral Special)
  • Hitbox size increased 4.5 → 5.5
  • Growth increased 60/80 → 65/85 (sour/sweet)

| ★
Captain Falcon | Wed 01:50 |

• Wind-up Raptor Boost (S-Special 3) damage increased 7%/8% → 8%/9% (air/ground)

| ★
Charizard | Wed 00:31 |

• ? (D-Special 2)
  • Damage increased 10%/9% → 12%/10% (grounded/aerial)
  • Ending reduced by 5 frames
  • Startup reduced

| ★
Diddy Kong | - |

Glitch: out of shield actions attempted during an opposing multi hit move grants grab immunity until his shield is struck in another instance​

Donkey Kong | Wed 03:45 |

• Giant Punch (Neutral Special) shield damage decreased 2 → 0 (customs included)
• Headbutt (Side Special) shield damage decreased 30 → 25 (Stubborn Headbutt [3] included)

| ★
Dr. Mario | Oct 5 |

• ? (D-Special 3)
  • Damage increased from 8% → 10/12%
  • Sweetspot knockback adjusted base 65 → 100, growth 120 → 70

| ★
Fox | Wed 00:18 |

• Down Throw
  • Laser damage decreased 2.0% → 1.5%
  • Now shoots an additional laser (total damage maintained)

| ★
Ganondorf | Wed 03:45 |

• Neutral Air significant rework
  • Second strike initial hitbox damage increased 9% → 10%, growth 100 → 120

|
Greninja | Oct 5 |

• (S-Special 3) ending reduced

Ike | Wed 03:43 |

• Smash Counter (D-Special 3) growth 100 → 70, base 48 → 90
• Tempest (N-Special 2)
  • Uncharged
    • Damage increased 1% 5%
    • Duration increased by 2 frames
    • Ending reduced by 4 frames
  • Charged
    • Duration increased by 2/3 frames (initial, late)
    • Initial hitbox moved backwards slightly
    • Ending on regular charge reduced by 4 frames
    • Ending on max charge reduced by 2 frames
• Furious Eruption (N-Special 3)
  • Uncharged
    • Sweet hitbox size 7.0 → 8.5, adjusted upwards
    • Duration altered 12 → 10 frames (1st hitbox), 12 → 15 frames (2nd hitbox)
  • Charged
    • Sweet hitbox size 8.0 → 10.0, adjusted upwards
    • Duration altered 16 → 14 frames (1st hitbox), 16 → 19 frames (2nd hitbox)
  • Maximum Charged
    • Sweet hitbox size 10.0 → 12.5, adjusted upwards
    • Sour hitbox size 15 → 16, adjusted upwards
    • Duration altered 16 → 14 frames (1st hitbox), 16 → 19 frames (2nd hitbox)
    • Ending reduced

| ★
Kirby | Wed 03:00 |

• Ice Breath (N-Special 2)
  • Hitboxes moved forward
  • 6% hitbox angle 40° → 30°, base 50 → 40, size 7.0 → 7.5
  • Startup reduced
  • Ending reduced
• Hammer Bash (S-Special 2)
  • Aerial weight kb 20 50
  • Hitbox priority lowered for sweet spot
  • Startup reduced

|
Link | Wed 02:49 |

• Shocking Spin (U-Special 2) Hitbox damage increases
  • 14% → 16%, 9% → 11%/12, 7% → 8%, 5% → 6%
  • New 14% hitbox added

| ★
Little Mac | Wed 04:40 |

• Neutral Special 3
  • Uncharged damage 10% → 11%
  • Charged growth increased 60 → 70

| ★
Lucario | Wed 00:39 |

• ? (D-Special 2)
  • Hitbox angle altered 58° → 65°
  • Ending decreased by 7 frames

| ★
/ Falchions | Wed 00:43 |

• Shield Breaker (Neutral Special) shield damage decreased 30 → 25

| ★
Luigi | Oct 5 |

• Down Throw base decreased 75 → 55, growth increased 30 → 83
• Down Air spike hitbox size increased 1.8 → 2.5
• Cyclone (Down Special)
  • Initial hitbox hit lag modifier increased 1.0 → 1.3
  • Final hitbox growth 130 → 120, angle 90° → 89°
• Down Smash growth increased 80/100 → 85/104 (first/second strikes)
• Fiery Jump Punch (U-Special 2) hitboxes altered
  • Size 3.8 → 4.0
  • Vertical displacement 6.0 → 5.5
  • Horizontal displacement 6.4 → 7.0
• ? (D-Special 3)
  • Damage increased from 8% → 10/12%
  • Sweetspot knockback adjusted base 65 → 100, growth 120 → 70

|
Mega Man | Fri 01:00 |

• Hyper Bomb (N-Special 2)
  • Ending decreased by 5 frames
  • Direct damage increased 8% → 10%
  • Splash damage increased 6% → 8%
  • Projectile speed increased
• Ice Slasher (S-Special 2) ending decreased by 6 frames

| ★
Meta Knight | Wed 00:53 |

• Lazy Shuttle Loop (U-Special 3) final hitbox size increased 7.0 → 7.2, duration increased by 2 frames

| ★
Ness | Oct 5 |

• Side Special 3
  • Damage on hit increased 1% → 2%
  • Damage on trigger increased 8% → 9%, hits sooner, smaller size and closer
• PK Flash Charge (N-Special 3?) hitbox changes
  • Size 10.0 → 13.0, angle 80 → 85, base 80 → 50, growth 30 → 80
  • Duration of first hit box 3 → 2 frames
  • Minimum charge increased

Palutena | Thur 23:00 |

• Lightweight (D-Special 2) "infinite" renewal glitch with platforms removed
• Explosive Flame (?)
  • Initial looping hit size 3.7 → 4.8, damage 0.6% → 0.8%
  • Final hit size 14.0 → 15.5, damage 4.0% → 4.2%
  • Final hit is no longer unblockable

| ★
Peach | Oct 5 |

• Toad (Neutral Special) ending frame reduced 64 → 62 (customs affected: 66 → 61)

Rosalina | Wed 01:11 |

• Guardian Luma (D-Special 3)
  • Ending decreased by 1 frame
  • Start up reduced ?
  • Luma hitbox changes
• Floaty Star Bit (S-Special 2) ending decreased
• Jab damage on rapid loops 2% → 1.7%

|
Ryu | Sat 06:00 |

Ryu's turn around animation length increased 2 → 5 frames (easier QCI) changed in 1.1.0​

Samus | Thurs 07:49 |

• Melee Charge Shot (N-Special 3)
  • Fully charged damage 18% → 20%, growth 35 → 32, base 65 → 70, size 8 → 10
  • Fully charged self push back increased substantially
  • Partial charge damage 5% → 6%, angle 45° → 40°, base 30 → 50, size 4.0 → 2.5
• Screw Attack (Up Special) Looping hitboxes 2-4
  • Angle altered 100 → 96
  • Weight knockback altered 150/120 → 178/140
• Neutral Air
  • Initial strike hitbox size increased 5.5 → 6.0, duration 2 → 4 frames
  • Second strike angle now 45 from Sakurai Angle
  • Second strike sweetspot size 3.5 → 4.0
  • Second strike sour spot growth 80 → 98, size 2.8 → 3.3, duration increased by 2 frames
• Forward Air
  • Looping hits damage 1.0% → 1.6%
  • Landing lag reduced 30 → 24

|
Sheik | Thur 23:00 |

• Penetrating Needles (N-Special ?) shield damage reduced 9 → 6

Shulk | Wed 01:31 |

• Dash Vision (D-Special 2)
  • Hitbox angle altered 35° → 32°
  • Growth increased 84/94 → 89/99 (alt attack options)

| ★
Sonic | Wed 01:39 |

• Tech Get Up Attack alternative to global; shield damage 1 → 10

| ★
Toon Link | Wed 01:42 |

• Sliding Spin Attack (U-Special 2)
  • Grounded attack's active hitboxes increased 1 → 6, growth values adjusted
  • One of the new hitboxes damage increased 10% → 11%

| ★
Villager | Thurs 23:30 |

• Extreme Balloon Trip (U-Special ?) hitbox sizes decreased 6.5 → 4.0, 14.5 → 11.5

Wario | Wed 01:56 |

• Garlic Breath (N-Special 3)
• Start up increased by 1 frame?
• Ending frame increased (?)

|
Wii Fit Trainer | Wed 01:59 |

• Volatile Breathing (D-Special 2) unknown collision flag altered

| ★
Yoshi | Wed 02:00 |

• High Jump (U-Special 2) ending reduced by 4 frames
• Ledge Get-Up Attack shield damage increased 0 → 1

| ★
Zelda | Wed 02:00 |

• Farore's Squall (U-Special 2)
  • Hitbox duration increased by 1 frame
  • Ending reduced by 6 frames
• Nayru's Passion (N-Special 3)
  • Explosion hitbox start up decreased by 5 frames
  • Wind hitbox start up decreased by 2 frames, slight position alteration

| ★

 

[Shaya]

Replays confirmed broken, let's go~

 

[Gunla]

In stage news, the 3DS has received Duck Hunt for free, and Wii U has received Pirate Ship. New Mii outfits as well.

Will investigate characters shortly. As with the last update, please provide proof for changes.

 

[Pyr]

Not posting a change, but this resource has a LOT of the data and info to which you can use to compare:

http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/

Not all the characters are there, but it's detailed and, as far as I know, accurate.

 

[LRodC]

Wow, you guys are quick. When I wake up tomorrow, hopefully I see some Mewtwo and Zelda buffs.

Edit: Well that was disappointing.

 

[S_F]

Quick, someone test Shiek, I really hope she was nerfed HARD

 

[Vipermoon]

Edit:

This post was reserved for Marth changes. I fell for the placebo.

He apparently wasn't changed at all except for a Shield Breaker shield damage nerf. So now it's... just a kill move? What was the point of that? It's literally named after its ability to break shields. They should have focused on fixing his moveset.

• He has many blind spots due to missing frames and small hitboxes (both jabs, ftilt, utilt, fsmash, fair, uair, dair, up b).
• He has bad moves (Dash Attack, Dsmash, and DB1) that need attention.
• Dancing Blade doesn't connect properly (DB2 goes right under their feet).
• His throws don't do enough damage and his "combo" throws have the combination of too much knockback and too much end lag for follow-ups.
• His autocancel windows are crap.

This isn't even the half of it. He's still a character that while heavily buffed compared to 1.0.0, relies way too much on kill power and rage. Maybe next patch.

 

[Jpot]

Reserved for my Marth changes post

Is this a precaution, or are you noticing major changes?

 

[FullMoon]

To the happiness of Meta Knight mains Shadow Sneak Hitstun Cancel is still in.

 

[Gunla]

appears to be relatively unchanged; no real differences, from what it appears like.

 

[Shaya]

I couldn't notice any changes to Zero Suit's main KO moves, similar KO power, same damage.
Couldn't notice anything obvious on Marth either.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I ran from the left side of FD to the right with Zelda, died faster on the Wii U so I think her run speed got buffed.

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

What fun! I'll get to work spotting changes with my setup. Once I have a list, I can provide the pre-patch footage for comparison. It'll also serve as a frame work of what to look for when people are datamining.

I ran from the left side of FD to the right with Zelda, died faster on the Wii U so I think her run speed got buffed.

3DS FD boundaries are all larger than the Wii U version

 

[Thinkaman]

Opening up the files now...

 

[New_Dumal]

The Random Talking Brush posted that EVERY character was patched someway.
That's a important information.
Maybe in some mechanics like air dodge, spotdodge, shield ?Or this will not be listed as a change in all characters?
Last update a lot of characters received changes in jab final frames, that kind of silly details...
Anyway, I would help if someones give us the code of the update like the last time.
Too late for testing each single aspect, I have college tomorrow :/

Opening up the files now...

Can you share it with me? I can help you, was there last time.
Also, Lelouch and Hououin Kyouma could make everything faster =D

 

[FlynnCL]

Ganondorf's neutral air is adjusted to link into itself better. Luigi's down throw has greater knockback scaling.

Outside of that almost everyone else seems to be the same in terms of damage/knockback. I was expecting a lot more changes after 2 months.

Edit: Oh wow. Pretty funny how this ended up being arguably the biggest patch yet.

 

[Thinkaman]

I have the changes. Going through them.......

 

[Thinkaman]

Captain Falcon get up attack shield damage decreased from 10 to 8. Wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a global change, and this is what is different on (at least) everyone.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

On Zero's Stream Luigi's Dthrow got a huge nerf

 

[Shaya]

Not a real flaco change :<

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Sheik's needles are unchanged
BF is unchanged
FAir's auto cancel window is unchanged
vanish autocancel unchanged
ftilt unchanged
As confirmed by multiple testers in the Sheik Skype group
Can we keep posts like "I played for 10 mins and don't feel changes from the whole cast" or "I really hope x character go t nerfed" out of this thread
Gets in the way of actual data

 

[Jpot]

Nakat and Zero are testing on stream now, Luigi's downthrow has been changed and no longer true combos into bair or cyclone at kill percents.

 

[Sneak Sneaks]

Something about Megaman?

 

[New_Dumal]

I don't trust anything that Zero is talking about changes (even when I do think Luigi would be nerfed.).
I don't want high/top tiers get too nerfed at stuff like throws/combo potential.

I'm waiting for Thinkaman information from the code.
He is someone I trust much more than ZeRo to that kind of stuff

 

[Thinkaman]

Falcon has a momentum change in side-b, and it does 9% instead of 8% ground and 8% instead of 7% air.

 

[NextPain]

updating now does anyone know of any diddy buffs/nerfs

 

[SaucyDancer]

Mewtwo feels unchanged so far.

 

[Vipermoon]

Captain Falcon get up attack shield damage decreased from 10 to 8. Wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a global change, and this is what is different on (at least) everyone.

Well it seems Marth's shield breaker is just as effective on shields as it always was.

Edit: ignore this post I was an idiot. It's extremely obvious how weak SB is now

 

[Mintcario]

Lucario is unchanged. ^^
Confirmed by the Skype group.

 

[StHawkward]

I can't show video evidence but Luigi's dthrow has a ton more vertical knockback at kill percents. Dthrow -> Cyclone or Dthrow -> Bair are no longer options for kills

 

[Zionaze]

So wario.
I cant seem to remember but if you rode the bike offstage and you flash yellow you get another bike yes? But if you ride that bike and touch the ground you cant jump off and spawn another one. Was this always the case? Or did they nerf spamming bike

 

[Thinkaman]

Get up Shield damage nerf is indeed universal.

No other changes to Falcon, no changes to DDD or Diddy.

Skipping around now.

 

[FlynnCL]

Falcon has a momentum change in side-b, and it does 9% instead of 8% ground and 8% instead of 7% air.

That's odd. Didn't Raptor Boost always do 9% grounded and 8% in the air?

 

[Xermo]

At least omega pirate ship looks pretty.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

People are going to post updates on every character when found
It'll all go into the graph in the OP
No need to makes posts asking about x character
Wont speed up the process
In due time, just keep checking the OP, rather than do that

 

[p1ay6ack]

Something about Megaman?

might be placebo, but i find it much easier to do Megaman's glide toss doing A+B method now

 

[DUKEL]

That's odd. Didn't Raptor Boost always do 9% grounded and 8% in the air?

Yep Maybe just a mobility change then?

 

[Thinkaman]

Duck Hunt has no changes except for a element change on a windbox on (all 3) Can; no idea, didn't know this hitbox existed.

DK has a few changes.

 

[Jehtt]

Just to be clear; this nerf to get up attacks is to grounded getup attacks, not ledge getups, correct?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Ganondorf got a Nair buff.

Second kick sweetspot does 10%, second kick sourspot does 7%.
Also, first kick seems to (true) link into second kick. Autolink angles? Knockback changes?

Not found by me btw, found by @MGK. Just reporting on it.