Mafia Sleepover: The Finale [ Town Wins - Pokemon Sight seeing]

[#HBC | Leviathan]

Potassium, do not play into Amidamaru. You now know the pain that Murderbush and I had to endure the first two phases. Ignore him and work around him like we did.

Murderbush is confirmed to not be aligned with the mafia due to having knowledge of JeXs as the Town Doctor but not killing him. I refuse to allow Arcane or Gova get anywhere with that line of attack toDay.

Here we go. The hardest Town reads are myself, Amidamaru, Murderbush, and Potassium. The lynch pool is BarDulL, Arcane Inferno, and Gova. We have enough mislynches to guarantee victory so long as the Townies do not turn on each other which may be difficult with Amidamaru's terrible reads. So be it.

We begin with BarDulL.

Vote: BarDulL

 

[Kantrip]

Do you not agree with my rationale wrt Gova not-mafia?

 

[#HBC | Leviathan]

No, I do not.

 

[BarDulL]

Leviathan, did you use your ability?

Anyway, not to intentionally undermine MB, but we've already established that there was a good reason why killing off JeXs as mafia wouldn't be a good idea (see JeXs' N1 target...well, I personally think Arcane was a bad protect on n1 given the circumstances, anyway, lel.)

Secondly, I also knew about JeXs role prior to MB outing it. MB tried to undermine my slot by pre-emptively stating "I'm pretty sure BarDulL didn't realize JeXs was Doc/Jailer until his reread," but that's actually not the case. As an aside, why would he say this?

I'm also not going to dabble in the wifom of MB potentially killing JeXs given his current positioning. MB is NOT out of the water yet.

Anyway, right now I'm looking at Arcane and MB. Gova isn't really as appealing to me anymore ever since the Werekill flip but still want to hear his input. I don't think Pott is as clear as some slots (Levi and MB) make him out to be (why are they town reading him so hard dafuq?) I REALLY don't want to look back at what the scum slots thought of Gova 'cause one reread is enough for me. If someone has a good case for GovaTown I'm up for hearing it.

Vote: Arcane

 

[Kantrip]

hey bardull read my first post toDay

 

[BarDulL]

Leviathan targeted me with his ability and I got a cute little letter. It was specifically mod-confirmed.

Admittedly I skim a lot of your posts, Pottymouth.

 

[Gova]

can someone please show me where people (specifically murderbush) knew jexs was the doc before night 2

because the most likely area anyone would have figured it out was when kantrip dropped the wifom bomb and the only people around for that were ami, himself, dabuz, and jexs, and bardull i think

also personally i still think mb is scum; having the werekill scum flip makes me question his lynching priorities as he said there HAS to be a scum between me and werekill yet still would not lynch us back-to-back

leviathan even brought that up and im not sure if he responded; because he had had the next post after that and it still didn't answer (to me at least) why he wouldn't lynch us one after the other

perhaps he could go into more detail cause im not really satisfied with the explanation (if that was supposed to be it)

First: Arcane Inferno vs. Bardull cannot be SvS. I don't buy it, I don't think it's possible. That would be one hell of a hard bus. That said, we believe it to be SvT, because we believe AI is scum. However, we are not ruling out the possibility that these two slots could be TvT. This means that there are not TWO scum between AI and Bardull.

Therefore, we believe there HAS to be one scum between Werekill and Gova by PoE.

Once more referencing the difference in their behaviors WRT the Leviathan and Dabuz wagons of yesterday, we believe that if there is only one scum present, it's Gova.

So that said, we still want to lynch Gova toDay, followed by Arcane Inferno, then Werekill, and finally Bardull.

But the important thing to note is that NO MORE than one scum lies between Bardull and AI, and AT LEAST one exists between Werekill and Gova.

 

[Gova]

vote: murderbush

 

[Gova]

ebwop and in case it's not clear; himself refers to kantrip in the second sentence refers to kantrip

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

@ Kantrip :

First point: That was not my message in stating that. What I meant was that you pick two wagons that are most likely T v T, and you choose the easier one to get on as scum. I said over Levi as you yourself stated Levi responded well to pressure. Plus your lurky catch up is telling compared with how you got on J, without any substantiation at all.

Levi point: I don't think so. It is the only thing that explains you wanting to keep Levi alive without even trying to read/pressure him. Consider both times I push Levi (D2/D3), you prefer not to jump on, while with Murderbush, you do try to jump on him (the vig claim and early D3).

On the slip-up: I find it null.

Finally: Your reaction to Bunzy is null. I do think scum could bus, especially considering scum let two scum-mates die already. I also think your reaction is null because it doesn't line up with the rest of your play. Seeing Dabuz claim cop while admittedly doing nothing, would be an easy thing to say for anyone, even a slot that has been tip-toeing around slots instead of really pushing them.

Two questions for you:

Can you ask Levi the question I asked him?
Also, why are you going in the direction of Arcane Inferno? If you are town, convince me on him being the last scummer.

 

[Kantrip]

you're a dumbie

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

Zen here. I want Murder the most. Ran wants Potassium the most.

I think Murder is the scummiest, but I think Kantrip has the most connections to Were.

Kantrip has had wishy washy stances on were all game. I have constantly tried getting him to explain his read on Were, but he has still yet to do so. Day 1 he comes into the game stating that were was suspicious. Then reverses that read completely out of no where. He's been claiming to have scum read Were and then pulling off of him whenever he got the opportunity.

By the way when I was catching up Day 1 I noticed this and how random of a town read it was for Ala to have. In Ran's words, it was completely unwarranted.

Ye all have hostility to make this TL seem chill, HIJOLE.

But the structures are made with sacrifice, my meta will build after a few mislynches and the curse of Alakaslam will begin to hit home.

As for who I think is town:

Levi
Adimaru
We're kill


Scum possibly?

Protein

Rest are null to this skim LURKZ, how rare of me

Seriously review the game. There was absolutely no reason for Ala to have Were of all people as town at this point lol.

Zen, I do not see how that has any bearing on Murderbush's alignment.

We have a wealth of information from Werekill to look at now. His posts - especially his reads list - need to be pulled up and looked at again in light of this new information.

You do realize every single push I have made has been centered around Werekill scum?

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

@ BarDulL :

Walk me through your Arcane scum read.

@ #HBC | Leviathan what happened to ONE of Gova / Were being scum?

 

[BarDulL]

@ BarDulL :

Walk me through your Arcane scum read.

@ #HBC | Leviathan what happened to ONE of Gova / Were being scum?

It's mostly PoE. Everyone's resumes look a lot better than Arcane's. Also, that guy has been die-hard pushing my slot for no good reason, and his earlier reaction to pressure was lame. I don't remember him dabbling much in Werekill or Dabuz's lynch, only kinda being there at the end once the pressure was on. There isn't a whole lot of substance to the slot, and I know Gheb's the type to bus his buddies if there's even a ghost of a chance that he might make it out alive (can't remember the game it was that gave me this lasting impression, I remember I was aligned with Soup and Circus, and then Gheb took Circus' spot and outright bussed myself and Soup and then jumped overboard, lol). Werekill and Dabuz never touched the man either or so much as pushed in his direction if I remember correctly. I don't think it's unlikely that he flips scum. There's some content to the posts he provides, but very little meat or action. I just feel like he's been sitting on my slot all game as an excuse to not pursue scum.

My biggest qualm with MB is that he's been wrong most of the game and wasn't ever interested in ending the two scum on the table. We gotta clear them off the board if scum don't flip soon. I don't think they're going to flip scum based on some of the things that have gone down to be perfectly honest, which is why they've never been at the forefront of my approach, but mathematically we're getting to a point where it's only making sense to me to give them a push.

As for the rest...

Levi is cleared unless he recruited Kantrip somehow.

Ami at worst is indy I guess, but I don't think he's Indy.

Kantrip is a shade of grey and I have no clue why some slots think he's really Town. I still don't like how momentum was going towards my lynch in one of the earlier day phases and he threw down his vote on my slot, then conveniently removed the vote when MB came to my defense (that was the same day that Werekill put me at L-2) (Kantrip has done this before as scum). Kantrip is capable of faking his reaction to my hammer on Dabuz so it isn't telling of alignment. I dunno, someone sell me on this slot, I just don't feel like the slot has a whole lot of content.

@ #HBC | Amidamaru - in Kantrip's defense, Alakaslam was acting really weird and I'm curious why you're holding his approach to the early game as a means of condemning Kantrip. I think that's a bit of a reach on your end.

I like Gova's content lately and I like him even more on a Werekill scum flip. I don't think he's the play toDay.

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

It's a weak point. It's correct though. That was the only content readable from Alakaslam at the time. That and his 'bow down' approach to levi's wall. Now instead of looking at that point, talk to me about my #2635. If you want to be sold on him, there you go.

 

[BarDulL]

It's a weak point. It's correct though. That was the only content readable from Alakaslam at the time. That and his 'bow down' approach to levi's wall. Now instead of looking at that point, talk to me about my #2635. If you want to be sold on him, there you go.

I'm not touching your #2635 yet since I like the dialogue happening between your two slots, just saying the Alakaslam point isn't very selling as n00bTownSlam could've done the exact same thing.

 

[BarDulL]

I'll talk to you about it tomorrow, I'm in a weird mood and kinda tired.

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

I, Zen, disagree that it was a weak point. How dare you Ran!

I think you just aren't reading him well.

 

[#HBC | Leviathan]

@ #HBC | Leviathan what happened to ONE of Gova / Were being scum?

It hinges on on Arcane v BarDulL being SvT. He is my backup lynch should that be erroneous because I still find him less Town than the other slots I have listed. I do not think I am wrong on Arcane v BarDulL however.

I messaged Potassium because in the event that scum were brave enough to take a shot outside of the Doc, he was in that middle ground of the playerlist to survive the Night while still being a Townlean.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Considering replacing in as a solo slot in lieu of AI should I be unable to reach frozen soon.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's mostly PoE. Everyone's resumes look a lot better than Arcane's. Also, that guy has been die-hard pushing my slot for no good reason, and his earlier reaction to pressure was lame. I don't remember him dabbling much in Werekill or Dabuz's lynch, only kinda being there at the end once the pressure was on. There isn't a whole lot of substance to the slot, and I know Gheb's the type to bus his buddies if there's even a ghost of a chance that he might make it out alive (can't remember the game it was that gave me this lasting impression, I remember I was aligned with Soup and Circus, and then Gheb took Circus' spot and outright bussed myself and Soup and then jumped overboard, lol). Werekill and Dabuz never touched the man either or so much as pushed in his direction if I remember correctly. I don't think it's unlikely that he flips scum. There's some content to the posts he provides, but very little meat or action. I just feel like he's been sitting on my slot all game as an excuse to not pursue scum.

So if I'm supposedly wrong on you being scum then it means that I'm 'super poopie scum' because I'm wrong.
And when I'm evidently right on dabuz being scum then it means I'm scum because I'm obviously bussing.

Any way I can play this game without you pulling some sort of bull**** like that on me? What the **** can I actually do in a game without having some sort of assbackwards logic like that pulled on me by you? Apparently I'm scum no matter what I do.
The only thing that has me hesitating to lynch you is the fact that we're most likely dealing with only one more scumbag you, murderbush and Kantrip cannot all be scum at the same time.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

you really think the slip-up i had where i confused this game with another one in thinking there was a confirmed town roleblocker was an intentional scum move?

or how about my reaction to bardull hammering bunzy after I impulse voted him in response to his claim? Did that look like a bus? You think a scummy busses a member they have had no problem with after they claim?

This is pretty weak compared to Ran's accusations tbh because it's based entirely on assumptions that are by no means undisputable. Confusing the two games about the town roleblocker thing may not have been an intentional scum move, sure. It could've simply been an unintentional scum move as well!
And the reaction to bardull hammering dabuz doesn't mean that much either. Dabuz' claim was so ridiculous and hard to believe that there was no way he would've gotten away with it. He would've been lynched either way.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't think you're right on Bunzy's lynch. Were it not for my vote, Bardull couldn't have hammered. The momentum was about to swing to bardull, I'm almost sure of it. Look at how everyone responded to the claim. Murder bought it, wanted to lynch Levi, Werekill pretended to buy it, Gova bought it, wanted Bardull.

I think the way YOU responded to it looked fake, and they way you waited until post - hammer to weigh in on how Bunzy was "obviously scum" was an attempt to post - hammer distance from Bunzy.

In short, I think Gheb is scum. And we should lynch him before bardull.

 

[#HBC | Leviathan]

Not much other than leans towards people at this point. I need to see more.

Protean is looking a bit better. I'm looking at him as more null with a slight lean to scum. I'll continue to keep an eye on him as the game progresses.

Jexs is clear, concise, and open with his opinions. I'm digging him, and he's probably my only clearish read. Town until he shows otherwise.

Leviathan is interesting. He seems to be attempting to direct town while he keeps some cards close to his chest, which isn't scummy but just something I'm noting. When he does give his opinions, they have good reasoning behind them. So leaning town.

Murder is asking questions and seeming like he's scumhunting. Town lean.

Bunz is making big posts that really don't say much other than essentially defending Protean. He has asked a couple questions here and there but nothing of real substance. Slight scum lean.

J seemed like he was playing catch up with his post, which is fine. The reads within seemed like they had reasoning behind them at least. His giving away of his vote for a time is strange, but I suppose it could be seen as just fishing for reactions. Null until I see more.

Amidamaru has been asking a lot of questions and generally driving the game along, but I'm curious to see the reasoning for his random-seeming vote. Null leaning slight town for now.

Gova is finally posting, and I'll have to see more to get a clear read. Null.

The rest (FF/Gheb, Bardull, and Alakaslam's replacement since apparently he /out'd?) need to post more in general before I can give a read.

Apologies for not really posting toDay in here and not giving reads. I've been focusing on the other game a good bit.

This is from early Day 1. If you think that Werekill did not list his other buddy here for the sake of avoiding taking a stance, you are delusional. All of his Town leans here are accurate reads.

 

[Gova]

because scummates dont town read each other obviously

 

[Gova]

i.e dont agree with murderbush town read

 

[#HBC | Leviathan]

No, it is more than that. He consistently townreads those who are actually Town while keeping Bunzy at arm's distance with a light scum read until the bus. The only time he flops on his townreads (myself, Murderbush for example) are when it is popular to do so. His treatment of Murderbush is similar to that he had with me and Protean-.

 

[#HBC | Leviathan]

i.e dont agree with murderbush town read

Who would you be looking at past him?

 

[Gova]

wait; i dont get what you're asking; he listed the entire playerlist in that post

technically he did avoid taking a stance on ai, bardull, and alakaslam and me if you consider nulls avoiding

 

[Gova]

Who would you be looking at past him?

between kantrip/ai

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

I think the way YOU responded to it looked fake, and they way you waited until post - hammer to weigh in on how Bunzy was "obviously scum" was an attempt to post - hammer distance from Bunzy.

Is this the only reason you are pushing Arcane toDay? If no, can you lay out your thought process wrt Arcane?

 

[#HBC | Leviathan]

@mUrDErBUSh

BarDulL <-> Arcane Inferno > Gova

How do you feel about this for the rest of the game?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This is from early Day 1. If you think that Werekill did not list his other buddy here for the sake of avoiding taking a stance, you are delusional. All of his Town leans here are accurate reads.

In that post he called both Ami and Alakaslam's replacement [Kantrip] null and avoided taking a stance on them as well. That's a pool of 5 null-reads we're dealing with here and all of them are still alive, out of 7 remaining slots. The only players he called town in that post that are still alive are you and murder but you are to all intents and purposes cleared already so it's not a worthwhile point to speculate on imo.

It's interesting though that all of the NK targets were either on his town list at that point already or ended up there sometime before they got killed. He may have had more influence on the mafia's decision making than his perceived status as a player would make people think.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think the way YOU responded to it looked fake, and they way you waited until post - hammer to weigh in on how Bunzy was "obviously scum" was an attempt to post - hammer distance from Bunzy.

How do you know I was "waiting" on it? Just throwing out another random accusation for the sake of it? First I'm accused of having bussed both dabuz and WK because that's apparently what I always do. Now I was supposedly hesitating to bus dabuz according to you and 'waited' for the hammer. How about you just leave me the **** alone with your garbage and let me actually do my thing for once without twisting whatever I do into something oh-so scummy? Like, are you actually going to start hunting scum toDay instead of continuing to piss on my leg?

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

@mUrDErBUSh
@ Kantrip
@Bardull

Are you guys going to come into the thread or just let the thread die with inactivity?

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

@ BarDulL

See above. Get at me since Potassium has neglected to do so.

 

[BarDulL]

I already talked about AI though. o.O?

Like, he's never actually there when **** goes down. I don't even really remember what lead up to his Werekill vote or why he hammered at the end, it could have easily been a quick bus since Gova was looking out of reach on the final day of Day 3 after my unvote. I also hate how he was trying to posture himself upon a Dabuz scum flip by saying Dabuz was obvious scum after Dabuz was hammered when momentum was definitely going to swing in my direction if I hadn't hammered. He's pretty much been sitting on my slot all game, and while he posts content, he actually hasn't gotten anything done in this game with it in my honest opinion (he has never been the driving force of anything, especially not on Dabuz/Werekill). He has brought attention to my slot with the intent to lynch it, but for all the wrong reasons.

Even after being put at L-1 by Werekill and Dabuz claiming a guilty on me (which reminds me: you guys need to think contextually about why Dabuz would claim a guilty on me at that stage of the game...the dude was obviously going for the trade-off) AI has been spamming "ohmahgerd bardull so scum this is all a part of da planz" and I just don't buy it anymore because it seems REALLY unrealistic. Occam's razor says Dabuz was trying to get the trade off and Werekill was trying to get a mislynch in on me by putting me at L-1 on D2.

I'll compromise to MB if that's what everyone wants, but if MB flips Town then we need to body AI.

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

No. >_< My #2635 you fool. YOU FOOL.

 

[BarDulL]

Damnit Ran, I really don't think Kantrip is the go-to right now. But I'll look at your 2635 anyway since I've got time before I grab some grub.

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

How the **** do you stick to AI when Kantrip isn't even doing **** right now. You are really starting to annoy me Bardull. Are you even thinking?