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Looks like you managed to hit him with your get up attack during his one frame of ledge snap vulnerability. Given the ridiculously strict timing and positioning needed to set this up, I'm gonna say you were just stupid luck, and looked good doing it.
Yes, but only the latter half is capable of clashing. The first three hits in front and the first two hits behind are transcendent.
Link is unable to grab the ledge if facing the wrong way during his Up-special recovery until he is toward the peak of it. As such there was no ledge snap and no invulnerability; combine this with the fact that he was pretty much sticking his head through the stage, and it's no wonder that the ledge attack hit. In most matchups and scenarios, this shouldn't happen though. Red Link should have recovered facing the stage and used the curve of the stage to take care of the rest.
I've actually ran into an incident like that before, except was playing as Mario vs. Ash's Bowser, so I highly doubt it's a character exclusive thing.
I never said otherwise. I more or less said that it only affects some characters such that it is possible to recovery in such a way that you won't grab the ledge without holding down from such an angle or in such a way that you will also be in that particular position where a ledge attack will hit, and that even then in most cases that I can think of it's totally avoidable. I mean it's possible for some matchups to actually force this situation, e.g. if the character that was going to do the ledge attack first hit the recovering character with a very light attack and then instantly grabbed the ledge and buffered the ledge attack while the character being hit by the attack had a very quick up-special recovery that they tried to sweetspot to the ledge, and then because they were hit recently the ledge is unavailable so they won't snap to it, which puts them in a position where they are close enough to the edge that a ledge attack could hit them, and then depending.... you know what, just, I'm going with my original sentence.
Wait...so Dthrow true combos into stuff now?
No, I put Dthrow under possible to escape (attack) chains.
Some true combos can still be escaped with DI though. But yeh, thnx.
Especially at higher damage %s. At low %s Link's combos are mostly inescapable but that doesn't last long
. That's why jab 1 cancels were such a huge loss; it's hard to get kill setups with Link.
Dude, no, just no. Do you even know what the "true" in true combo stands for?
If it can be escaped with DI, then by definition it isn't a true combo.
Yeah, my bad. I've always assumed a true combo to be in which an opponent is hit again while still being in hitstun from a previous hit, no matter the situation. I guess I was wrong. I'll take your word for it.
Thanks, that definitely helps me out. *sarcasm*
Wasn't trying to be helpful, so success. *literal*
That would be closer to a 'combo', though I'd avoid using hitstun as a determining factor in a definition because there are many little things that can also be factored in. It might just be easier if you simply read the dictionary.
I was playing Link in teams For Glory yesterday because I wanted to find out for myself if you were right about his having a lot of potential. In a team with Pacman against BowserJr/Robin I did really well at racking up damage and setting up kills, but I rarely landed a killing blow myself. In certain scenarios I was able effectively to use full-hop uncharged arrows to interrupt one oppenent's attacks against my ally from across the stage, and then be ready in time to hold off the other opponent on my side. I also found that I was quite often able to run up to a shielded opponent that my ally was attacking and throw a bomb, to tether grab, to pommel, and wait for my ally to land a smash attack on the helpless opponent. However in a team with Pacman against a pair of Ike players on Mute City we were basically helpless, as the two never seprated, and together covered too many options to work around.
So I tested it on Jigglypuff, Samus, Bowser, Fox and Ganondorf. I couldn't test it on DH's can, Greninja's shadow sneak, and Marth's UpB because I don't have anyone to test them with me. I got it to work on Jigglypuff, Samus, Marth, Greninja, DH and Fox. But it didn't register as a combo for Bowser and Ganondorf. I also don't know how to read frames so I don't really know if it works with landing lag.
Do you have a second controller? If so, training mode 1/4 hold can help there. If all you need the second person to do, e.g. in this case Ganon, is first try to jump out before he lands after being hit by Bair, or otherwise try to shield the moment he lands to test if he is able to powershield the spin attack in time, then this is all very possible to do by yourself.
The only thing I found for the Giant Bomb, is shield bombing, where you just sit in shield and let the thing explode. Considering the blast is huge, it works pretty consistantly at a close-ish range. Though the timing and self shield damage don't exactly make this a great tactic. Still fun to do though.
An Ike pair of all things? I don't see how they could have such an advantage. It probably has something to do with team attack being off.
Link's edge and offstage game in general are actually pretty solid as well though. But I can definitely see partners taking advantage of Link's projectiles. It's one of the reasons he might be an amazing teams character, actually.
Guarenteed tether trump, that actually sounds pretty viable. Though I'm assuming this would work better in a 2 v 1 situation with Ganon, it might be pretty a good tactic for Falcon/Link teams, considering how fast Falcon can cover ground.
Almost all my FG experience has been in doubles with my roommate and his Shulk or ZSS. Link is really good in team FG at least because of the time limit. With team attack off it's insane how many unsafe moves you can cover with just a boomerang or arrow shot. Doubles FG is stupid like that.
That's really brutal, I'm gonna have to try that. My edge game consists often of SH dairs when they're close, and when they're far I pull a bomb, run off the ledge, toss it up and recover, so that when they are coming back 50/50 they get hit by the bomb and I can follow up with a fair or trap them in an aerial SA. Sometimes if they're under me I'll run off the ledge, fall past them, and then backflip to bair/nair and stage spike them as they try to recover.
Yeah they would have killed each other if it had been on, but with it off they were able to cover one another's unsafe power moves and dominate, and my projectiles weren't much help because they were both great at perfect shields, so one would shield a projectile while the other charged past him and punished, and the windbox on my boomerang more often than not ended up being abused by them to charge smash attacks while being dragged back to me.
