Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Super Fabulous]

Aight gonna read some manga :D

also Pawn I want you to update all your reads son

 

[pawndidater2]

Town: PJB, WATT
Townlean: PP, Fabio, Soup
Null: Ryu, Ryker, Koops
Scumlean: Kantrip, Shoco, Rake
Scum: Gheb

btw he's my fave char in Paper Mario: TTYD

I've never beaten that. All my files are at the save block right before the final boss. XD

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How did I become scum all of a sudden? Does PP being an unconstructive, utter asshole really affect you guys that much? I shouldn't have started playing mafia again.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

You're scum because you're pushing out theories on things that don't totally make sens eto some/most of us depending on the topic and have consistently failed to elaborate/support them.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Now food. back in 30.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

pjb, thoughts on gheb?

I think he's less scummy than you think he is, but he's on my list of "people I wouldn't mind going".

Shoco
Rake
Gheb
Soup

These are people I would not terribly miss, in that order.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're scum because you're pushing out theories on things that don't totally make sens eto some/most of us depending on the topic and have consistently failed to elaborate/support them.

The former is your fault and the latter is not true.

Everybody always reads me as scum, not because I am scum but because people lack the intelligence to look at the other side of the coin. I speak truths that the people don't want to hear so they point fingers at me and shout "he's scum". And then I flip town and people - rather than bettering themselves - will point fingers at each others and ignore all the truths I have spoken: I am town. One of PP or Shoco is very likely scum and there's a good chance that soup / Kantrip are in the mix. Also, statistically it's rather likely that we have an inactive scumbag as well.

Talk to me if you're actually interested in finding MAF and getting this game anywhere. PP is the one to talk to when you prefer petty insults, distorted facts and hypocrisy to the max though. It's sad that I even need to write these sentences but it's probably the last thing I am going to post as a player in a mafia game.

 

[Super Fabulous]

I've never beaten that. All my files are at the save block right before the final boss. XD

Dude it's time you go into the Pit of 100 trials and get all dem badges.

 

[Super Fabulous]

And yet I still imagine Gheb smiling while even writing that post

KAWAII

(this is joey btw)

 

[Picture Perfect]

How did I become scum all of a sudden? Does PP being an unconstructive, utter ******* really affect you guys that much? I shouldn't have started playing mafia again.

 

[Picture Perfect]

The former is your fault and the latter is not true.

Everybody always reads me as scum, not because I am scum but because people lack the intelligence to look at the other side of the coin.

I speak truths that the people don't want to hear so they point fingers at me and shout "he's scum".

And then I flip town and people - rather than bettering themselves - will point fingers at each others and ignore all the truths I have spoken: I am town.

One of PP or Shoco is very likely scum and there's a good chance that soup / Kantrip are in the mix. Also, statistically it's rather likely that we have an inactive scumbag as well.

Talk to me if you're actually interested in finding MAF and getting this game anywhere. PP is the one to talk to when you prefer petty insults, distorted facts and hypocrisy to the max though. It's sad that I even need to write these sentences but it's probably the last thing I am going to post as a player in a mafia game.

i'll get back when i'm done laughing

 

[Kantrip]

Scum: Gheb, Kantrip
Scumlean: Soup
OGMEOU: Pawn
Null: Shoco, Ryker, Rake, Koops (btw he's my fave char in Paper Mario: TTYD)
Town-lean: PJB, Ruy
Town: PP, Wott

I will keep Soup as a later option, as I feel Gheb and then Kantrip are good options before him and we can find more things out by then. Right now I'm not liking Kantrip's reasoning for PPscum, and I just find it odd that he's not feeling Gheb anymore because of Gheb possibly not being connected. He's not letting a connection sway him when it comes to PP + Soup but when it comes to Gheb he lets it sway him to a town read. It kind of feels like he is trying to throw up dirt to him as Gheb is doing. Whenever we can use Removal I'm fine with it going on Gheb.

Oh, Ran. So surface level....

 

[Kantrip]

ebwop: i mean, ****, you keep saying "we need to be certain" when your only certainty is a gutread at best.

That's why I wouldn't remove you? Are you reading my posts?

 

[Kantrip]

Scumgheb is too easy and I don't buy it for a second. There's no resistance (sans me) to the idea and it's so easy for some random person to toss him in their scumreads and get away with it. I thought he was pretty scummy myself early on, but I can't see him aligned with any of my other scumreads and there's just too much passive agreement with the idea. I know that there's some scum lurking on the Ghebscum bandwagon.

People should be honest about whether they cheated or not. That's the best way the tourney cop can actually catch people in lies. If you're a townie and you cheated to win your match, I'd like to hear about it and I'd like to hear the reasoning.

 

[Kantrip]

Town: PJB, WATT
Townlean: PP, Fabio, Soup
Null: Ryu, Ryker, Koops
Scumlean: Kantrip, Shoco, Rake
Scum: Gheb


I've never beaten that. All my files are at the save block right before the final boss. XD

Did you cheat against me?

 

[Picture Perfect]

Okay, sorry, lemme try again.

The former is your fault and the latter is not true.

How in any gogdamn slightest possibility is it his fault for not understanding your point of view when you refuse to explain it? How is that even a possible statement? You get pissed at me for being unconstructive but at the end of the day, I'm still trying to get points across, still trying to get people to stop acting like *******, and still trying to figure out how to win this game. What have you done? Seriously, what have you ****ing done? You throw general statements out like it's nothing and then when people ask for your insight, you blow them off or say you've already done it. You're not infallible and people don't care so much about the statements as much as the justification, which you haven't ****ing provided. You still have not explained why I'm scum. You still have not supported why Rake's town. You still have not supported why you think KantripvSoup was SvS. If you have, quote it. You have failed to do this all game and it definitely is a big reason why multiple people think you're scum.

And have you noticed that the only one I'm acting like this towards is you (and Shoco)? have you ever thought why?

Everybody always reads me as scum, not because I am scum but because people lack the intelligence to look at the other side of the coin. I speak truths that the people don't want to hear so they point fingers at me and shout "he's scum". And then I flip town and people - rather than bettering themselves - will point fingers at each others and ignore all the truths I have spoken: I am town. One of PP or Shoco is very likely scum and there's a good chance that soup / Kantrip are in the mix. Also, statistically it's rather likely that we have an inactive scumbag as well.

Talk to me if you're actually interested in finding MAF and getting this game anywhere. PP is the one to talk to when you prefer petty insults, distorted facts and hypocrisy to the max though. It's sad that I even need to write these sentences but it's probably the last thing I am going to post as a player in a mafia game.

I'm just gonna say this straight-up: drop the ego. You're not God's gift to mafia. You're not even a good player. Multiple games I see you pressured and your immediate response is to say everyone else is bad/a sheep/a tool. You have the audacity to say that everyone else needs to better themselves instead of pointing the blame elsewhere but that's exactly what you're doing right now. So cut this **** straight out because it helps no one, in-game or out.

This blatant AtE is gross and I expect more from you than this.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Did you cheat against me?

He said he didn't.

 

[Picture Perfect]

That's why I wouldn't remove you? Are you reading my posts?

Fair enough, you did say that.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Scumgheb is too easy and I don't buy it for a second. There's no resistance (sans me) to the idea and it's so easy for some random person to toss him in their scumreads and get away with it. I thought he was pretty scummy myself early on, but I can't see him aligned with any of my other scumreads and there's just too much passive agreement with the idea. I know that there's some scum lurking on the Ghebscum bandwagon.

Don't fall into this trap. This is the exact kind of paranoia you've been dealing with and I want you to analyze Gheb's play first and then analyze.

You might be right that scum may passively be on the wagon, but that shouldn't have much to do with your read on Gheb at all.

People should be honest about whether they cheated or not. That's the best way the tourney cop can actually catch people in lies. If you're a townie and you cheated to win your match, I'd like to hear about it and I'd like to hear the reasoning.

Waiting for my match to conclude before I say anything about it. While I don't know if Koops is reading, I don't want to influence the outcome here.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

The former is your fault and the latter is not true.

It's my fault you aren't making sense to me? I've asked you to quote whatever reasoning you've given for your scumpicks repeatedly and you simply haven't. I've tried to work with you and you simply haven't done it. Prove me wrong and I'll shut up, but I don't expect that.

Everybody always reads me as scum, not because I am scum but because people lack the intelligence to look at the other side of the coin. I speak truths that the people don't want to hear so they point fingers at me and shout "he's scum". And then I flip town and people - rather than bettering themselves - will point fingers at each others and ignore all the truths I have spoken

Let's not get into this again

: I am town. One of PP or Shoco is very likely scum

One or both? If one is scum does the other become a townread of yours?

and there's a good chance that soup / Kantrip are in the mix. Also, statistically it's rather likely that we have an inactive scumbag as well.

This I can agree to.

 

[Picture Perfect]

ebwop: Analyze Gheb's play first and then analyze the wagon.

my bad potato

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Is anyone concerned with the fact that we basically have a consensus 3/4 scumpicks? seems too easy for my liking.

 

[Kantrip]

Is anyone concerned with the fact that we basically have a consensus 3/4 scumpicks? seems too easy for my liking.

Those being me, shoco, and Gheb? And the fourth is, what, a sprinkle of soup? Yeah, that is too easy. I think only shoco is scum of that pile. Mayyyybe soup.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Gheb/shoco/Rake with a sprinkle of you. Not on the soupscum side of the argument anymore.

 

[Kantrip]

Rake is consensus scum now? That's news to me.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

He's on a lot of peoples scum lists.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Rake never stopped being on my scumlist. He never recovered from the earlier game, for me. Any "improvement" we saw with him weren't things I was particularly convinced about. He put on a show because we were talking about how we scumread him, but take a look around. People haven't talked about rakescum for awhile, and have you seen him post much? Nope. This is Rake we're talking about. He posts a mile a minute, when he's town.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

just remembered rake never transcribed our hotel room from Lunch. Did I?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Actually people should do that if they haven't.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Nothing happened. Ruy asked for Chinese, I asked for readslist, and then Nabe asked for our location. That was the end of that.

 

[Kantrip]

Early scumreads on me were because I didn't explain Rakescum when everyone already agreed? :C

Damn

 

[Picture Perfect]

Rake never stopped being on my scumlist. He never recovered from the earlier game, for me. Any "improvement" we saw with him weren't things I was particularly convinced about. He put on a show because we were talking about how we scumread him, but take a look around. People haven't talked about rakescum for awhile, and have you seen him post much? Nope. This is Rake we're talking about. He posts a mile a minute, when he's town.

Pretty much sums up what I thought.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Early scumreads on me were because I didn't explain Rakescum when everyone already agreed? :C

Damn

Just because we're in agreement doesn't mean anything about you. SvS exists, after all.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

SvS was actually a possibility Dietz and I were favoring in the kantrip/rake interactions

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Lunch Breakdown
We ask Rake what his spark he mentioned in thread was.
he replies it's kantrip being scum.
explains it's the way he tries to push his rake scum read hard but can't back it up(cites BIM)
Dietz talks about lunch stuffs
Rake says he's sick
nabe asks for lunch place
I was afk for the lunch phase so I didn't push for much.

 

[Kantrip]

Lunch Breakdown
We ask Rake what his spark he mentioned in thread was.
he replies it's kantrip being scum.
explains it's the way he tries to push his rake scum read hard but can't back it up(cites BIM)
Dietz talks about lunch stuffs
Rake says he's sick
nabe asks for lunch place
I was afk for the lunch phase so I didn't push for much.

That's his reasoning for me being scum?

Oh man, he's full of it.

In the scenario where you think me and Rake is SvS, would you rather remove him or me?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

That's the main bit of it. Rake and his janky metareads, ya know.
Rather get rid of rake atm because at least you're here posting.

 

[Picture Perfect]

In fact, J. Can you give me your reasoning for your read on us? Just want to know if you are on par with WL. You might have talked about us but I don't remember. :3

I'm just gonna be honest, Joey is one of the easiest people for me to read and when he came in, he was just really obvi townie. I mean I agree with Pawn that your earlier play was questionable in the sense that it made no sense to me but then Joey came in and explained the line of thought for your hydra in his own way and made things clearer. (Joey, had different reads though and then you came around to agreeing with him which made me more comfy and realized your slot just had disorganization at the time). Also Laundry-kun may be the vocal one in thread but I have been very hard in pushing my reads and do agree with him on a lot of what he has said.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Also Laundry-kun may be the vocal one in thread but I have been very hard in pushing my reads and do agree with him on a lot of what he has said.

Please...never again. Laundere is already more than enough.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Was tempted to put -chan, but then I wouldn't be able to hear over the ringing in my ears after that.