Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | Nabe]

Mod: Can we help people find replacements in any way, and if so, how?

Sure. Any means.

 

[#HBC | J]

This game just keeps devolving and devolving. Like I literally have nothing to say because I'm just staring at this game, shaking my head at a lot of things.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

that's a weak reason to dislike watt, yeah effort=/=town but your not looking much deeper than that, not does it look like you did.

I really have a hard time seeing pawn as noobscum, Koops on the other hand has from his more limited posts come off as noobscum.

 

[Super Fabulous]

This game just keeps devolving and devolving. Like I literally have nothing to say because I'm just staring at this game, shaking my head at a lot of things.

I agree. I find it important we talk about the pro's and con's of removal. One, if we use it, it can put pressure on people and have people actually DO ****. The thing is we have to consider how it affects the bracket and how things turn out afterwards.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Clarifaction: Pro's and cons of using the removal TODAY.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Holy crap Xonar, are you actually town.

That is all

 

[Picture Perfect]

Post quote for my posts I've made recently.

Laundry please quote this because I'm on my phone/it's 3am and can't switch accounts atm.

Kantrip turning super aggro/moody pants. He is continuing to tell at soup and now I am getting a little bored of it especially because he isn't adding anything to soupScum idea besides just bickering with him. I want to see him respond to Soup instead of just say "**** you!" to him for the countless time. I moreso want to see this because Soup's a pretty strong town read of our slot for reasons Laundry has said but if not I can paraphrase. Basically soup is obnoxious this game but got off on the wrong foot and is still town due to his motives behind his actions.

Wott, you asked about SvT or TvT. To be honest, I have felt more TvT but Laundry has liked more SvT (Kanty as the scum) and I am starting to see why more and more. Laundry told me that Kanty has been digging his heels into the ground about a lot of things and now I can see what he means about his soup push. It lacks anything new and lately he is just saying it to say it. Now because we have decided that we like Kanty less and don't trust him (we didn't label him as scum) he comes in and changes his mind based on that premise and we haven't been adding new things? I'm sorry but that's just wrong cuz I know for a fact Laundry has been posting in this game whenever there is new stuff because he drags me to talk with him while he posting. Kanty's flip on our slot is bad to look at just off his premise and now he seems to be playing more like "how do I make myself look townie enough to not be suspected" which makes me more willing to side with my other half on the fact he's more likely to be scum then a lot of the cast.

Some other reads while I'm here; Gheb is quite truly the epitome of dumb or scum this game. His readslist is a great example of this where he feels Kanty/Soup are scum together with our slot and another slot I can't recall. I can see townGheb just playing bad as per usual or he could be scum this game. It's a 50:50 but meh. Also Gheb from what I can recall has been more of an armchair critic this game instead of hunting scum. Don't know if bad or scum so that's for a later date for me.

Joker/Wott are strong as **** town. If anyone questions that, tell Laundry to yell at me to get in here. Soup/Fab are pretty damn town too. Pawn is really easy newbie townie....are people not seeing this yet?

Oh, scum-read on Rake and his "big" post was very lack luster. I believe even the quotes had more to say then he did and it really doesn't feel like townRake trying to help town but moreso responding because it's an obligation.

Just re-read a bit more, Kantrips antagonistic attitude towards WoTT based on him trying to get amswers makes me more and more curious about his slot and makes me want to say having the tourney cop watch his match would be good.

If I were in Joker's spot, I would definitely be looking more at the question marks to figure out what may be happening behind the scenes. That's why people like Gheb/Kanty would make a decent pick.

As Laundry said though, we are waiting for matches to finish so we may evaluate them and get more info. The matches should have good info that we can generate more discussion around but lately nothing really new and fresh has been in the thread. Our slot has been one of the front runners for discussion and we are more than comfortable to sit back an analyze other people talk more now.

Nulls like TTK, Shoco, whoever replaces Ryker, Gheb putting some weight into his words, and some more...what's the word.....substantial? things from Kantrip would be good to see.

Anyways I'm out for now, but that's where my head is at. I'm pretty sure this isnt too long since I'm on a phone but if it is ugh. Night peoples.

Gheb, it's in the rules that scum knows each other but just can't communicate iirc. So that would throw out that side of your argument if so.

Also, dude, there are four scum, you labeled four people and didnt explain yourself. You cannot honestly blame them for thinking you had them as scum together because that would just be obtuse.

Elaborate on ShocoScum, that's a new thing that's not #trending at the moment since you are the first to bring it up. Everyone else has them as null, what are you seeing differently?

I'm gonna agree with the majority of thoughts at the current time and ask you to elaborate also on Soup/Kanty both being scum.

Kantrip still not responding to Soup: Irritation rising

Gheb not knowing this posted in the OP: please read

J busy status: extremely

Yet why am I still caught up and posting but not others? What excuses?


*phone post, <3 Laundry*

This game just keeps devolving and devolving. Like I literally have nothing to say because I'm just staring at this game, shaking my head at a lot of things.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Also what the literal **** at people insta scum-reading Shoco based off a (albeit ****ty) catch-up. Seriously, I'm gonna have to channel my inner Laundry here.

Stop complaining about no one scum-hunting/the game stagnating if you are not even explaining your reads/completing your matches.

Seriously, people like Gheb who hasn't even explained his Shoco read of being scum in the first-place coming in to say "Shoco-scum cemented." is absolutely USELESS. Kudos for saying it. But you have not explained it at all and then come in acting like whatever he just did is obvi scum. Explain your process, I will continue to ask you this until you answer Gheb. Stop ignoring me and actually, ya know, respond like a real player?

Shoco, your catch-up was piss-poor to say the least. You literally posted what is equivalent to air and you need to explain your reads. Has Seph even posted/read anything this game? You have Rake as clear town in your read's list, why? Scum-reads need explaining as well.

Rake, stop delaying your catch-up post and actually post something. I don't even care if you post a catch-up post, what I moreso want from you is actual content and not these fluffy one-liners you keep coming in with and I want substantiated reads. None of your posts have actually been you explaining who you think is scum this game and have been either retaliation or you just chiming in every now and then.

Kantrip, STOP IGNORING SOUP/MYSELF. Respond and answer the questions already. Third time I've asked you and I absolutely hate repeating myself especially when I have made it crystal clear what I want. You don't get more wiggle-room than Gheb because Gheb is always this bad at responding/playing the game. So get to being pro-town like you had me believing you were in the beginning phase of the game.

I am honestly just tired of people content to do nothing and content to not explain anything. The problem with this game is that it has no leader to hold anyone's hand and actually do things ever since Laundry disappeared. Well I am getting a little slack this week from work (hopefully) so I am going to be posting more. Players like WoTT/Joker/Fabulous have actually been putting work into this game and I respect that majorly especially since what they are saying is logical/pro-town and are helping town figure things out and helping show that they are town (which I am hoping to god I am right on because otherwise this game sucks).

W.r.t. matches, finish them, now. We need that information and people just delaying them or not even saying whether they are finished or not is getting quite annoying. I am about to go check mine to see if it is finished because I believe Laundry sent in our stuff for the match but I haven't heard anything whether it is finished or TTK has completed his side. The only one who truly has a valid excuse besides us is Ryker's match partner because he is looking for a replacement.

Matches need to get done and since there is no end-time, it is really up to us to move along with this game. The only match I know that has ended and know the outcome to is Ruy vs. Fabulous which they have stated in thread (funny that Joey beat Ryu again).

That's all I have to say for now and I'll hopefully pass the mic to Laundry now because I have things to do for the next two days. But the next time I check this thread, things have better moved forward for the sake of everyone.

 

[Kantrip]

It was really scummy how Shoco refused to dig for **** but then when threatened with removal actually did it.

 

[Kantrip]

J, I really don't know what the hell you and soup want.

 

[Kantrip]

I finished my match. pawn beat me every time, never even won a round.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Jigglypuff is a demon.

That is all.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I finished my match. pawn beat me every time, never even won a round.

Elaborate on it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

J, you're one pathetic hypocrite. You complain about this game devolving yet your petty comments on how people are bad and stupid and don't contribute anything to this game and your refusal to comment on things directly and just throw out general complaints are one of the key contributions as to why this game keeps getting nowhere. When you play like this I don't even need to dig out any quotes to make it clear why you need to go. If you're actually town then you're currently doing your best at making it look like the complete opposite.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It was really scummy how Shoco refused to dig for **** but then when threatened with removal actually did it.

He didn't actually do it though. Everything he's accusing WATT of applies to himself like ten times as much. Unsure on whether we should remove him or PP but I think one of them will turn out to be the play sooner or later.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

Ugh, why do you do this to me Xoni? You knew I was gonna be gone tonight T_T

I like:
PJB
Shoco
PP
Soup
Fabulous
Rake

WOTT

I don't like:
Kantrip
Pawn

Gheb

I don't care about:
Ryker
Koopa
Ruy

If you guys want reasons/post material, as some people are begging Xoni for. You'll have to wait till tomorrow night or maybe even Monday where I'm not half dead and have time to actually read through the thread.

Basically disagree with Xoni's read on WOTT which is kinda silly since he's going though all that trouble making posts about him.

Although WOTT has been trying to keep himself present even with fake content such as activity lists. I haven't seen any scum intent so far, just the occasional fake content here and there to make it seem as if they're doing something and establish this fake sense of thread control.

Also anyone stupid enough to waste the single use lynch before the first 2-3 rounds of matches is dumb.

Also all reads on anyone won't be sustained even softly until the end of the first few rounds of matches, which is why I told Xoni that we should just end the first day asap to get any real info and get this game to a point where substance can be gained. We can't play this like a normal mafia game in the sense there won't be any flips where we gain actual info to progress. And it's funny how you guys are grasping on to this idea to get every last second of the day's worth and not try and do things new on the first day of a new game with new mechanics.

Also @ Kant: LMAO we've been talked about by people a ton of times throughout the Day at different points. Basically at any point where we come back and catch up would seem scummy to you with these conditions. The word here is opportunistic.

/obligatory

 

[Kantrip]

Elaborate on it.

What kind of stuff are we sharing? Like do we want to publicly out what colours we and our opponents have access to? I don't know what else I want to reveal publicly. We both chose our main round 1 and he beat me, we both chose our counterpick round 2 and he beat me twice in a row. That made the set.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Do you think Pawn beat you because he cheated, or because he's scum? This is what I want you to elaborate on.

 

[Kantrip]

Is lucky town not an option? I don't know how matches work, all I know is he beat me every time. Could be dumb luck, could be he cheated. However I have no way of knowing if he's scum or not cuz I didn't cheat against him.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Going on with this line of questioning is moot because like Kant said, there is no way of having tangible evidence that someone cheated, unless the cop reviewed the match and found that out. So we just have to hope the cop is reviewing matches with good reason and hopefully finds a scumread cheating (who is possibly scum).

 

[#HBC | Joker]

So what if pawn cheated? Everyone pretty much thinks he's noobytown, and I'm pretty sure pawn doesn't have a particularly fond view of Kantrip. He should have cheated against him, and there's absolutely zero reason for anyone here to blame him for it unless you both A) think kantrip is obvtown, and B) think pawn is scum. Anyone think both those things, at the same time? No? Didn't think so.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Do you think Pawn beat you because he cheated, or because he's scum? This is what I want you to elaborate on.

Soup, why did you want to know this? What is your read on Pawn and Kantrip? Would the answer have helped you find scum, and if so, how?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because it's much more relevant than what is being said right now and now that matches are being played there should be something to be said about them. I personally find it fishy and I'm considering how I'm reading Kantrip right now because I believ(ed) that scum would more than likely take the win against a townie unless they cheated. I don't think I'm going to get an answer from Pawn stating if he cheated or not.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Because it's much more relevant than what is being said right now and now that matches are being played there should be something to be said about them. I personally find it fishy and I'm considering how I'm reading Kantrip right now because I believ(ed) that scum would more than likely take the win against a townie unless they cheated. I don't think I'm going to get an answer from Pawn stating if he cheated or not.

No, it isn't relevant. I think you are bull****ting. The underline shows you saying you find 'it' fishy, but there is no 'it' to be fishy about. You saying that you THINK pawn won't answer doesn't mean he won't because he's scum. Again, there is no way for you to know if he cheated or not, and there is no reason to be suspicious of him cheating without knowing what really happened.

You are also taking how you THINK mafia would play to fit into your 'fishy' suspicion. You aren't considering that town would cheat also, or simply 'take the win'. I find it odd that you haven't considered it as null.

Elaborate on it.

Here I think you are trying to make it seem fishy. Kantrip came in saying that he lost every time, but he never gave a suspicion that pawn may have cheated. You picked up on the "He won every time" bit and asked him to elaborate. You thought it was him cheating from only kantrip saying he won everytime, and you just reacted by asking him to elaborate. I mean, the thing is you expected Kantrip to be thinking that Pawn just won through being suspicious or cheating, and not due to being legit. You never considered that.

I just found it slightly opportunistic. Seeing your elaboration doesn't relieve my concern.

 

[Super Fabulous]

I finished my match. pawn beat me every time, never even won a round.

To clarify, there is no reason to think Pawn was cheating or suspicious from this statement, unless you want to.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Because it's much more relevant than what is being said right now [...]

That's straight up not true.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Deadline! ~72 hours left in Match phase.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Just received the note that I won the set against Rake.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Deadline! ~72 hours left in Match phase.

Have you found a replacement for Ryker yet? I'm kinda just sitting here twiddling my thumbs.

No, it isn't relevant. I think you are bull****ting. The underline shows you saying you find 'it' fishy, but there is no 'it' to be fishy about. You saying that you THINK pawn won't answer doesn't mean he won't because he's scum. Again, there is no way for you to know if he cheated or not, and there is no reason to be suspicious of him cheating without knowing what really happened.

You are also taking how you THINK mafia would play to fit into your 'fishy' suspicion. You aren't considering that town would cheat also, or simply 'take the win'. I find it odd that you haven't considered it as null.

What the **** are you smoking? Are you saying that there is no room to talk about this when I'm pretty certain that matches and the mechanics around it will become considerably more important as the game progresses? This whole post is ********, and let me tell you why. You jump to a conclusion about one thing I said instead of looking at the big picture of things. Look at my post again, and look at what I'm trying to point out. I think mafia is more likely to win a match and do you see where the problem is here? My scum-read, Kantrip, did not win a single match. This goes against what I've been thinking and I want to know more about this. Have you ever considered, that possibly, I stated all this because I want a certain someone to look into it also? Pawn isn't going to answer me because nobody is going to outright state that they cheated after a match, regardless of alignment. You're blatantly wrong about your assumption, and it frustrates me to see you go on about this like you know what you're talking about.

Here I think you are trying to make it seem fishy. Kantrip came in saying that he lost every time, but he never gave a suspicion that pawn may have cheated. You picked up on the "He won every time" bit and asked him to elaborate. You thought it was him cheating from only kantrip saying he won everytime, and you just reacted by asking him to elaborate. I mean, the thing is you expected Kantrip to be thinking that Pawn just won through being suspicious or cheating, and not due to being legit. You never considered that.

I just found it slightly opportunistic. Seeing your elaboration doesn't relieve my concern.​

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You're being really dense, Ran. Really ****ing dense. This post came before the post I stated it was fishy. How are you even trying to reference me wanting my scum-read, Kantrip to elaborate on why he lost his match. Don't make me repeat myself. Yes, Pawn could have cheated. Yes, Pawn could have gotten ****ing lucky. What does it matter? You're literally putting words in my mouth stating that I didn't consider that, because guess what, I did. This post makes me furious.​

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's straight up not true.

How are those scum-reads coming along Gheb?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Very well, PP / Shoco are borderline confirmed scum, you're looking good to go as well. Just gotta see how the whole thing with Kantrip losing his set is turning out.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Ran
I swear to god if you respond to me trying to say that I'm being defensive I am going to **** down your throat.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Very well, PP / Shoco are borderline confirmed scum, you're looking good to go as well. Just gotta see how the whole thing with Kantrip losing his set is turning out.

Lol you're full of it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Look, I can play this game too!

 

[Super Fabulous]

I think mafia is more likely to win a match and do you see where the problem is here? My scum-read, Kantrip, did not win a single match. This goes against what I've been thinking and I want to know more about this.

Underlined, what does this matter? I also have explained that the discussion would be moot without having a tangible reason to talk about it. You are saying you find Pawn fishy because your scumread, Kantrip, lost all three times. You don't have a solid reason for suspecting Pawn, unless you want to. If you mean something else, then please clarify. Otherwise you finding Pawn suspicious is foil hat. (Basically you think he may be scum or cheating because your scumread Kanty lost all three times, since Scum should easily win in your eyes, and I find this reasoning bad)

Again, my point is that it is odd that you are thinking that may be the case instead of thinking it is null until we are given further information.

 

[Super Fabulous]

And no, this shouldn't make you furious.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I haven't made a conclusion as to how I feel about it, therefore I am questioning it? Did you forget how mafia works?

 

[Super Fabulous]

No. You shouldn't be feeling ANYTHING (about pawn). Look at this example:

Someone is killed over night. You make guesses as to who did it, but you won't know who unless a tracker claimed and presented that info.

THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT PAWN DID WITHOUT THE COP CLAIMING HE DID IT. That's why you shouldn't waste time talking or thinking about it. Unless you think I'm wrong, then you should explain why.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

why are you assuming this is about pawn good ****ing god read my posts

 

[Super Fabulous]

Because of your

Because it's much more relevant than what is being said right now and now that matches are being played there should be something to be said about them. I personally find it fishy and I'm considering how I'm reading Kantrip right now because I believ(ed) that scum would more than likely take the win against a townie unless they cheated. I don't think I'm going to get an answer from Pawn stating if he cheated or not.

You never clarified what you had a fishy feeling about (underlined). I assumed Pawn. I asked you to clarify but you didn't. So please do.