Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi Kantrip. Are you ready to sufficiently answer me yet? ^_^

 

[pawndidater2]

Also heads up for you guys, I am playing this game for myself so I win the tournament, not for my faction town.

@RR What the hell is going on here.

 

[pawndidater2]

Oh look Nabe is updating our game kanty.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Town: WATT, PJB, Ryu, Fab, Rake
Null: Pawn, Ryker, 3rdkoopa
Scum: soup, Kantrip, PP, Shoco

Are my current reads. There are things I'd like to add with regards to these reads once I have the time for it.

What kind of insane thoughts are going in your head? Please tell me how you think this team makes any sense more or less the fact you think me and Kantrip over here are bussing each other. I would really love to hear it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

KANTRIP RUNS AWAY TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS WHEN I SHOW UP YET AGAIN AHAHA

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What I want to know is if those scum reads have any kind of disqualifiers with them gheb(ie is it a total scumteam or just individual picks?)

 

[Wots All This Then?]

he might be checking his(apparently just updated) match soup

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

he might be checking his(apparently just updated) match soup

Either way, I couldn't help but laugh. I legitimately started to chuckle irl. I really hope he stops avoiding me. Him to start to dislike PP (as far as I've seen) makes no sense, as if he's only against them now because they start to suspect him. This change in attitude is actually offsetting. However, I'm more interested on how PP handles it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Think this is similar to him and rake?

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not ready to do **** all for you, soup.

 

[Kantrip]

Either way, I couldn't help but laugh. I legitimately started to chuckle irl. I really hope he stops avoiding me. Him to start to dislike PP (as far as I've seen) makes no sense, as if he's only against them now because they start to suspect him. This change in attitude is actually offsetting. However, I'm more interested on how PP handles it.

Are you ****ing kidding me? This is not just now because they "started to suspect me" and it does make sense as it's OUTLINED IN THE VERY POST I STATED IT IN.

You're just tunneling now and construing everything I do as scummy. **** off

 

[pawndidater2]

I'm going to play some LoL. Be back in like an hour.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no i just want you to answer me and you get mad defensive for a statement that more in interest of PP than you but thanks for that

 

[Kantrip]

no i just want you to answer me and you get mad defensive for a statement that more in interest of PP than you but thanks for that

What haven't I answered? I'm not digging for that.

 

[Kantrip]

That wasn't more in interest of PP. That was literally

"This is scummy of Kantrip because he is using OMGUS again, but I wonder how PP will respond."

I am pissed at the point that pertains to me with good reason, but thanks for that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

kantrip if im tunneling then what are you doing im graciously waiting for your detailed analysis of my play

 

[Kantrip]

That's what you're asking for? Are you kidding me? I've said why I think you're scum, I'm not promising a ****ing wall case with post-by-post quotes. I've said my read on you and given reasons why. My intent can be traced from that, people can choose to agree or disagree, and in the context of this game that's all I need to do. I'm not gonna bend over backwards when nothing will be gained out of it. If more people want clarification, they can ask for it. It's not like you're ever going to agree with a scumread on yourself, why would I do that for you? You need it for the purpose of reading me or something? I was of the impression you had already done that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no sense =/= scummy if something doesn't make sense then i want to make sense of it, fmpov. instead of going to an assumption that i'm accusing you and getting all pissed off that i happened to question the relationship between you and PP and the legitimacy of it, you should calm the **** down. how is it omgus? did i ever imply omgus? why are you jumping to conclusions? sit down. all the way down.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

one scum if any between soup and kantrip, but not two

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's what you're asking for? Are you kidding me? I've said why I think you're scum, I'm not promising a ****ing wall case with post-by-post quotes. I've said my read on you and given reasons why. My intent can be traced from that, people can choose to agree or disagree, and in the context of this game that's all I need to do. I'm not gonna bend over backwards when nothing will be gained out of it. If more people want clarification, they can ask for it. It's not like you're ever going to agree with a scumread on yourself, why would I do that for you? You need it for the purpose of reading me or something? I was of the impression you had already done that.

>Kantrip actually believes this

 

[Wots All This Then?]

editing soup? really?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kantrip. #919, #920, #922, #923

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

editing soup? really?

edited the image ruy is super mod and can check it regardless

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What I liked was that he gave explanation of his reads. You said "Really, I don't" but never really went into the reads part. You just went on to the mechanics. Can you explain why you don't like his reads? Also tell me how him 'claiming' credit makes him scum over town.

For starters I didn't like the basic nature of his sudden re-entry to the game, because if what Rake claimed to us over lunch is true Kantrip-scum has a habit of making clear cut stances without being able to really back them for the purpose of seeming active. This would line up with what we saw of Kantrip's early play, and it very much bugs me for him to have been so "I'll get you the info later" to suddenly posting his advice on mechanics. Specifically he's posting about mechanics that we've already gone over which makes me feel like he's not even putting in the work, he's just copy-pasta'ing our slot and other slot's thoughts into a paragraph and putting it out into thread for hollow "I'm active and contributing" points. I don't find it a coincidence that I posted about the fact the tourney cop gives us a clear right or wrong, and then kantrip comes in and bends that truth to make it seem like we shouldn't use our removal, the intent reeks of scum trying to slow down our anti-scum tools.

As far as his actual reads I feel like they're pretty shallow, and in at least Ryu's case: wrong. He doesn't go into them enough for me to pass total judgement, but for that same reason I really can't take them seriously as more than "I'm here, I'm helping" attention grabbing. For your slot, his observation is a simple as "I like your question therefore I like you.", while for Gheb he states reasons for dislike that I also feel strongly apply to his own slot if you just replace the name:

I personally dislike KANTRIP coming in with side comments on the setup and repeating things that have already been discussed. It really feels like Gheb is not reading and proposing stuff we've already discussed and I dislike him for it. Wish he'd delve into something helpful.

Finally right now I'm actually leaning Nullscum on Ryu, not Nulltown. I have not liked his lack of activity, nor the way he asked for everyone to out where they ate during lunch. In my experience Ryu usually at least tries to think through his requests etc. but in this case I'm not seeing the town intent in pushing it. I don't understand what he's done so far to be labelled town by Kantrip (or Gheb for that matter, who gave a similar read a few posts after), considering the "information he willingly gave thread" for Kantrip to have given him town points seems to directly help mafia and no one else.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Are you serious? You didn't even read it? It has some pro-town **** in it and I'm appalled that you didn't. I don't give a **** what read you got on me as a result of the post, but you should pay attention to **** that's relevant to this game you tard.

Also why the hell would I need a ditch effort to look townie in a game with no lynches? God damn you're dumb soup.

I hate this game so much

This is minor, but I also hate that he quantifies his own post as "pro-town" instead of just "important/informative". It strengthens the feeling for me that he's just digging for town-cred instead of actually wanting to contribute, and instead contributing for the sake of being seen contributing.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I know I'm pretending to be all lax this game, but please don't edit posts.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

@PJB + Super Fab: Can you guys each sum up for me what you think "Kantplay" is for my knowledge? I'll be the first to admit I only remember playing one game with Kantrip and we had minimal interaction so I'd definitely like to hear what I should theoretically know about his play habits and reputation.

 

[Kantrip]

You ask PJB and Super Fab?

LOL

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I've also noticed that scumtrip usually comes in with relatively baseless reads in order to look like he's doing something early on. It's something I always notice when he does it, and I have to shake the feeling away, because he totally has done it as town before too.

I dunno, I've very rarely been successful with reading Kantrip accurately, so if enough of you guys think he's a bad egg, I might be willing to roll with the idea. I'm not getting any scumfeels from him, but your points against him are not completely illegitimate.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Personally? I just find kantrip to be scatterbrained at moments where people are looking at him. He compensates for this early on in games, where he knows everyone is being looked at, by taking stances too early. He does this regardless of his alignment. That's why I'm hesitant to call him scummy, just because he gave out some early reads that he couldn't substantiate very well.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Rake isn't wrong though, it's something he does as scum more often than as town, but I've definitely seen it from both alignments before.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

You ask PJB and Super Fab?

LOL

You have a problem with my choice of askees?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So after I finally managed to catch up last night you guys piled on another 3 pages. Quick responses after skimming:

- agreed @ WATT / Fab that in this game it's alright to explain townreads. I'm just not used to it but I'll make sure to comment on it.
- Kantrip agrees with half of my scumpool but claims that I make no sense. You make no sense.
- Kantrip and soup both sounding the counter-attack so vehemently when I put them in the same pool together is telling. Just because I have labeled them as equally likely to be scum doesn't mean I necessarily have them as scum together yet both of them immediately assume that I do and react so harshly. At least one of them is scum.
- Are we operating under the assumption that scum knows each other or that they can communicate? In all honesty, I don't really see why we should and I wouldn't be surprised if Kant vs soup was SvS without them knowing. Not that I'm banking on it but I think we should not exclude that possibility.

 

[#HBC | J]

Laundry please quote this because I'm on my phone/it's 3am and can't switch accounts atm.

Kantrip turning super aggro/moody pants. He is continuing to tell at soup and now I am getting a little bored of it especially because he isn't adding anything to soupScum idea besides just bickering with him. I want to see him respond to Soup instead of just say "**** you!" to him for the countless time. I moreso want to see this because Soup's a pretty strong town read of our slot for reasons Laundry has said but if not I can paraphrase. Basically soup is obnoxious this game but got off on the wrong foot and is still town due to his motives behind his actions.

Wott, you asked about SvT or TvT. To be honest, I have felt more TvT but Laundry has liked more SvT (Kanty as the scum) and I am starting to see why more and more. Laundry told me that Kanty has been digging his heels into the ground about a lot of things and now I can see what he means about his soup push. It lacks anything new and lately he is just saying it to say it. Now because we have decided that we like Kanty less and don't trust him (we didn't label him as scum) he comes in and changes his mind based on that premise and we haven't been adding new things? I'm sorry but that's just wrong cuz I know for a fact Laundry has been posting in this game whenever there is new stuff because he drags me to talk with him while he posting. Kanty's flip on our slot is bad to look at just off his premise and now he seems to be playing more like "how do I make myself look townie enough to not be suspected" which makes me more willing to side with my other half on the fact he's more likely to be scum then a lot of the cast.

Some other reads while I'm here; Gheb is quite truly the epitome of dumb or scum this game. His readslist is a great example of this where he feels Kanty/Soup are scum together with our slot and another slot I can't recall. I can see townGheb just playing bad as per usual or he could be scum this game. It's a 50:50 but meh. Also Gheb from what I can recall has been more of an armchair critic this game instead of hunting scum. Don't know if bad or scum so that's for a later date for me.

Joker/Wott are strong as **** town. If anyone questions that, tell Laundry to yell at me to get in here. Soup/Fab are pretty damn town too. Pawn is really easy newbie townie....are people not seeing this yet?

Oh, scum-read on Rake and his "big" post was very lack luster. I believe even the quotes had more to say then he did and it really doesn't feel like townRake trying to help town but moreso responding because it's an obligation.

Just re-read a bit more, Kantrips antagonistic attitude towards WoTT based on him trying to get amswers makes me more and more curious about his slot and makes me want to say having the tourney cop watch his match would be good.

If I were in Joker's spot, I would definitely be looking more at the question marks to figure out what may be happening behind the scenes. That's why people like Gheb/Kanty would make a decent pick.

As Laundry said though, we are waiting for matches to finish so we may evaluate them and get more info. The matches should have good info that we can generate more discussion around but lately nothing really new and fresh has been in the thread. Our slot has been one of the front runners for discussion and we are more than comfortable to sit back an analyze other people talk more now.

Nulls like TTK, Shoco, whoever replaces Ryker, Gheb putting some weight into his words, and some more...what's the word.....substantial? things from Kantrip would be good to see.

Anyways I'm out for now, but that's where my head is at. I'm pretty sure this isnt too long since I'm on a phone but if it is ugh. Night peoples.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gheb, it's in the rules that scum knows each other but just can't communicate iirc. So that would throw out that side of your argument if so.

Also, dude, there are four scum, you labeled four people and didnt explain yourself. You cannot honestly blame them for thinking you had them as scum together because that would just be obtuse.

 

[#HBC | J]

Elaborate on ShocoScum, that's a new thing that's not #trending at the moment since you are the first to bring it up. Everyone else has them as null, what are you seeing differently?

I'm gonna agree with the majority of thoughts at the current time and ask you to elaborate also on Soup/Kanty both being scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It would be obtuse to assume that I already pretend to know the four people I happen to read as scum on Day 1 to be a team.

Also, I could not find the part in the OP where it says that scum knows each other? Even then, soup vs Kantrip as SvS is not in any way unlikely. Like, not at all.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Mafia not knowing each other's Id would be pretty silly then considering one has a means of private communication

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Stuff along that line. Missed this earlier.

Yeah I suppose ? But i mean your going ot have to tell me what it is your looking for lol.

I can't exactly spell out what Gheb did/does after all

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Idk why people are so hesitant to believe Kantrip's scum here, or are only just getting to the idea, the more he posts the more obvious it becomes.

As to the idea of SvS, I don't see it, but if they actually didnt know it I would find that hilarious as all hell.

I still think Soup is town and I think his points against kantrip are spot on, and the things Watt pointed out dislike of, are exactly the things I dislike about knatrip and have for a while.

Also, it wasn't a obligation to make a bigger post, I wanted to lol, because as I said in the lunch thing, and even before, I've come to the conclusion Kantrip is scum here and should go asap.

Plus, it wasn't as big a post as I thought it would be. Honestly kantrip's play and my dislike of it almost boils down to : He's being fake. Taking aggressive stances without being able to back any of it up in order to try and gain a little cred, he's defensive when he gets called out on things that he should be getting called out on, he's more concerned with thread appearance than he would need to be as town. He still can't explain why I am scum over parroting Watt.

The list goes on