Q&A Ganon's Cauldron of Questions (Ganon Q/A Thread)

[Z1GMA]

Got a ssb4-related question about Ganondorf?
Then you're at the right place.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Got a ssb4-related question about Ganondorf?
Then you're at the right place.

If you have the Official Final Japanese 3DS version of SSB4, would you be able to verify if Ganondorf uses any Swords in his moveset?

And, if it is not too much to ask, could you state the differences in buffs and nerfs between Brawl's Ganondorf and this one?

Thank you for your time.

 

[HeavyLobster]

Does Ganondorf have AC frames/not terrible landing lag on his Fair this time around?

 

[SLEEPING MAN]

Any thoughts on his B and his up tilt?

 

[Sykkamorre]

Here's mine:
What's better now?
What actually works?
Is he delicious?

 

[Shun_one]

Aerial Down-B is a meteor.

 

[Lozjam]

Do his custom moves actually properly represent Ganondorf in the LoZ series?

 

[ShadyWolfe]

Does he have a different Neutral B now. As a Zelda fan I found Ganondorfs portrayal in Smash to be a good representation except his Warlock Punch I would much rather have him shoot his blasts from his hands which he does in a lot of TLoZ games where Link has to hit it back with his sword multiple times until Ganondorf gets hit by it.

 

[_Ganondorf_]

is his grab range still trash? does warlock punch at least have super armor?

 

[Hydde]

It seems grab range is still trash. Warlock punjch seems unchanged.

 

[SmashBro99]

Customs?

That's the only hope, and even then, he's still slow as hell when he's supposed to be quick and be able to float, sigh.

 

[HeavyLobster]

It seems grab range is still trash.

The T-Rex armed grabs were one of the things that bothered me most about Brawldorf. It's really frustrating how inconsistent Sakurai is with character designs. Every game he includes new characters with very creative and interesting playstyles, but always seems to have characters that just feel like they mailed it in.

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

How is Ganondorf unlocked? Does he get back his second jump after an aerial downB?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I just wanna know the custom moves. Especially the neutral B: how are they?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

^ The game hasn't hit the west yet and is going to officially release in Japan tomorrow.

Here's a small video of Ganondorf's smashes and specials I picked up from Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoOrO4vMm4

He seems very similar but his moves look as if they were given more speed (speed is not a constant definition if we are to compare brawl to SSB3DS).

 

[Sykkamorre]

Looks like DA got a bit of a Nerf... not sure though.

 

[Eisendrachen]

Alts? I swear I saw a blue-skinned one in the stream!

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I did a little bit of comparing. Falcon's punch started at 4:38:46 and initiated at 4:37:45 in the video below (on the timer above). 0:30 to 0:34 in the actual video. That's a total of 1 second and 1 millisecond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqMs4OHSiU

Ganondorf takes a total of 1 second and 22-23 milliseconds. I believe that's a much smaller difference between the two punches compared to Brawl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK6vpkUyrmw&list=UU-KuWeJ48G6rPA2lCgQirew

(1:00 to 1:20)

 

[Xinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9Bq4Kp2FY

He's definitely faster. And Link's feeling that faster Wizkick. But it looked like the distance dropped. y/n?

 

[Booster]

^ The game hasn't hit the west yet and is going to officially release in Japan tomorrow.

Here's a small video of Ganondorf's smashes and specials I picked up from Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoOrO4vMm4

He seems very similar but his moves look as if they were given more speed (speed is not a constant definition if we are to compare brawl to SSB3DS).

Wow, much faster then in Brawl. Still wish he had a real moveset and better stats but this is good too. Still wish he didn't have that sword taunt though <.<

 

[CadePirate]

Here's mine:
What's better now?
What actually works?
Is he delicious?

I was like, "Delicious?", Then saw your profile pic and it made sense to me XD

 

[Captain Norris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9Bq4Kp2FY

He's definitely faster. And Link's feeling that faster Wizkick. But it looked like the distance dropped. y/n?

oh yeah. Definitely. Lol does anyone know why the computer was using it so many times consecutively? Odd Ai there

 

[Xinc]

oh yeah. Definitely. Lol does anyone know why the computer was using it so many times consecutively? Odd Ai there

Maybe it was hoping the kick would spike Link all the way to the left.

 

[HeavyLobster]

I did a little bit of comparing. Falcon's punch started at 4:38:46 and initiated at 4:37:45 in the video below (on the timer above). 0:30 to 0:34 in the actual video. That's a total of 1 second and 1 millisecond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqMs4OHSiU

Ganondorf takes a total of 1 second and 22-23 milliseconds. I believe that's a much smaller difference between the two punches compared to Brawl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK6vpkUyrmw&list=UU-KuWeJ48G6rPA2lCgQirew

(1:00 to 1:20)

One frame is approximately 16-17 ms, so that means Falcon Punch comes out in 60 frames, while Ganon Punch comes out in 61-62 frames, assuming your measurements are accurate. In Brawl, Falcon Punch came out in 53 frames according to the frame data listed on the Brawl Falcon boards, while Ganon Punch came out in 70 frames, so the gap does appear to be significantly smaller to the point of being negligible. I suspect Falcon Punch will be more powerful to compensate for being slightly slower, but Ganon Punch has been thankfully sped up, though not to the point of actually being useful.

 

[Robertzombie2]

can you still tech chase with side b?
can you do follow-ups after choking someone?
what are his custom moves?
is his F-air still as unsafe as brawl? with landing lag no matter what?

 

[Z1GMA]

Looks like Fair is still laggy as hell - 3:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDg-pne6Fnk&index=13&list=UU-KuWeJ48G6rPA2lCgQirew

 

[HeavyLobster]

Looks like Fair is still laggy as hell - 3:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDg-pne6Fnk&index=13&list=UU-KuWeJ48G6rPA2lCgQirew

Well let's hope it gets the AC frames it was supposed to have gotten in Brawl.

 

[Sykkamorre]

I'm personally hoping for a nice helping of IASA frames.

Oh the lolz as you ftilt someone who came in for an easy punish clean off the side of the map.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Is Ganondorf's Curb Stomp still in the game?

I'm referring to his meteor smash aerial A often used for a Meteor spike.

It has to be, that move finally has a name, thanks to Seth Rollins.

 

[Z1GMA]

Well let's hope it gets the AC frames it was supposed to have gotten in Brawl.

It doesn't look so, tbh.

 

[Sykkamorre]

Is Ganondorf's Curb Stomp still in the game?

I'm referring to his meteor smash aerial A often used for a Meteor spike.

It has to be, that move finally has a name, thanks to Seth Rollins.

Didn't it already have a name?

The Thunderstomp.

 

[Z1GMA]

Does Utilt still have the wind-effect?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Does Utilt still have the wind-effect?

Yes. You can see it in use at the beginning of this video: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24469282

 

[Bahamut777]

How is his FAir lag, short hopped and full hopped?

 

[Oort]

Still laggy. I believe it kills earlier, so there's that.

 

[L9999]

Off topic, but the name of this thread has something to do with The Black Cauldron? And Ganon is that dark mage that summoned the souls of Hell from the cauldron to do whatever?

 

[Ffamran]

Off topic, but the name of this thread has something to do with The Black Cauldron? And Ganon is that dark mage that summoned the souls of Hell from the cauldron to do whatever?

Rule of cool, I suppose?

 

[jahkzheng]

Tell me I can thunderstorm to my hearts content again...

 

[Bahamut777]

Thunderstorming is out. Sorry.

 

[Z1GMA]

Thunderstorming is out. Sorry.

On flat ground it seems.
However, there's a chance we'll be able to thunderstorm on stages with slight slopes.