Gamespot gameplay shows faster loading times. new demo in circulation?

[Jalio_the_Brave]

If you watch the end of the video, the load time between the end of the match and the results screen has been drastically reduced. Could this be a new demo build?

EDIT: Another video shocasing shirter loading times

EDIT: Does anyone spot any gameplay differences such as landing lag on aerials or any other elements that seem different?

 

[DakotaBonez]

Can ya show me a vid of slow loading time?

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

This was from when Gamespot played at e3

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Can ya show me a vid of slow loading time?

Here's a playlist with lots of footage from the Best Buy build. You can feel free to average wait times:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmHi1rPbj_RqLsgls9WkFVmPrXSO-Zw1I

That load time for the winner's screen did seem unusually fast, but that time seemed pretty random in the first place so I dunno if it is a different build or just the extreme fast end of a random range.

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

Here's a playlist with lots of footage from the Best Buy build. You can feel free to average wait times:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmHi1rPbj_RqLsgls9WkFVmPrXSO-Zw1I

That load time for the winner's screen did seem unusually fast, but that time seemed pretty random in the first place so I dunno if it is a different build or just the extreme fast end of a random range.

It could be, but I also find it odd that they're posting this video a month after e3

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

If you watch the end of the video, the load time between the end of the match and the results screen has been drastically reduced. Could this be a new demo build?

FOX CAN JUMP AFTER HIS ILLUSION IS USED IN THE AIR NOW????

@1:15

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

FOX CAN JUMP AFTER HIS ILLUSION IS USED IN THE AIR NOW????

@1:15

Yeah, I think VGBootcamp had a video showing that when they showed fox's moveset

EDIT:

Here's that video I mentioned

 

[skstylez]

Definitely a newer build. DK's groundpound is still amazing, and HOLY HELL the reach on his side-B @ 1:50 !! <3
Though, we know Sakurai is hiding the truly new builds away

 

[DakotaBonez]

This was from when Gamespot played at e3

How is that footage so good, did nintendo let them put a capture card in the demo booth!?!
Now I see what ya mean.
Load times always seem random, it could depend on the end game screen effect.
Maybe splitting the screen is less taxing on the game than covering it in white ink splats.

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

How is that footage so good, did nintendo let them put a capture card in the demo booth!?!
Now I see what ya mean.
Load times always seem random, it could depend on the end game screen effect.
Maybe splitting the screen is less taxing on the game than covering it in white ink splats.

I've seen e3 videos where the screen split and it has the same load time as the ink splatter. This could just be a one time occurrence that just happened to be faster, but part of me doubts that

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I've seen e3 videos where the screen split and it has the same load time as the ink splatter. This could just be a one time occurrence that just happened to be faster, but part of me doubts that

Here's another recent video.

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

Here's another recent video.

More proof of a new demo. Gonna ask again, do we see any endlag differences or other things like that? Cause I can't tell

EDIT: would you mind if I added this to the OP?

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

More proof of a new demo. Gonna ask again, do we see any endlag differences or other things like that? Cause I can't tell

EDIT: would you mind if I added this to the OP?

Sure. I don't mind.

 

[VhatDeHel]

Definitely a newer build. DK's groundpound is still amazing, and HOLY HELL the reach on his side-B @ 1:50 !! <3
Though, we know Sakurai is hiding the truly new builds away

Haha, that range was truly amazing, but it may be toned down. It seemed to have somehow hit Fox while he was shielding.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

More proof of a new demo. Gonna ask again, do we see any endlag differences or other things like that? Cause I can't tell

EDIT: would you mind if I added this to the OP?

It looks to me that some attacks have low landing lag, like Samus' Dair or Villager's Turnips, and other attacks still have a fair amount of lag, such as DK's Dair.

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

@ Mr. KoopaTurtle Is this a change from the e3 build?

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

@ Mr. KoopaTurtle Is this a change from the e3 build?

Not sure. I think it may have been in the E3 build too, but I'm not certain.

@ Jalio_the_Brave I just watched the second video, and saw Villager use his Uair and had little to no lag upon landing. Once he landed, he immediately used his boxing gloves. Maybe Villager used the move at the right moment in the air so that there was almost no lag upon landing.

 

[Jalio_the_Brave]

Not sure. I think it may have been in the E3 build too, but I'm not certain.

@ Jalio_the_Brave I just watched the second video, and saw Villager use his Uair and had little to no lag upon landing. Once he landed, he immediately used his boxing gloves. Maybe Villager used the move at the right moment in the air so that there was almost no lag upon landing.

Could auto canceling on moves be buffed up a bit to reduce landing lag more now?

 

[Nintendotard]

Can someone describe the landing lag situation to me. In the first gameplay vid on the OP it looked like there was hardly any, but I noticed some on DK, and one on him that was preeetttyy slow, but as for the other characters I saw very little to no lag

 

[VhatDeHel]

Could auto canceling on moves be buffed up a bit to reduce landing lag more now?

Perhaps. But if you look at this video, it seems as if Villager already didn't have much landing lag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvUee35f6AE

I'm optimistic though, that stuff in the new video definitely seems faster for Villager! Hopefully we'll see more from others. I actually saw in the first vid, I think near the end, DK did a short hop nair that seemed to autocancel so quickly it almost looked like a SHFFL.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

Perhaps. But if you look at this video, it seems as if Villager already didn't have much landing lag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvUee35f6AE

I'm optimistic though, that stuff in the new video definitely seems faster for Villager! Hopefully we'll see more from others. I actually saw in the first vid, I think near the end, DK did a short hop nair that seemed to autocancel so quickly it almost looked like a SHFFL.

It's like some characters, like Mario and Sheik, are lucky and have low landing lag on their aerials.

But other characters, such as a certain hedgehog, have been cursed and received increased amounts of landing lag on their aerials.

 

[Shariq]

Here's another recent video.

Yeah the load times for the winner screen definitely look much faster.

 

[Senario]

It's like some characters, like Mario and Sheik, are lucky and have low landing lag on their aerials.

But other characters, such as a certain hedgehog, have been cursed and received increased amounts of landing lag on their aerials.

Don't forget our favorite Tactican who is the first mage character to be added to smash ):

All that lag! WHY T_T he isn't even a slow hard hitter, he is mid speed. Maybe they are fixing it a character or two at a time though. Shiek and Mario may have been some of the first, although it could be attributed to the fact that they aren't exactly super slow chars.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

Don't forget our favorite Tactican who is the first mage character to be added to smash ):

All that lag! WHY T_T he isn't even a slow hard hitter, he is mid speed. Maybe they are fixing it a character or two at a time though. Shiek and Mario may have been some of the first, although it could be attributed to the fact that they aren't exactly super slow chars.

Oh yeah... Robin's Fair is also painful watching. I pray his other aerials aren't similar, or that they are being improved. It seems like Fairs and Dairs are the aerials with lots of landing lag.

 

[Senario]

Oh yeah... Robin's Fair is also painful watching. I pray his other aerials aren't similar, or that they are being improved. It seems like Fairs and Dairs are the aerials with lots of landing lag.

From what I've seen though shiek has landing lag speeds just as good as Melee was. Not that I particularly mind since I like shiek but honestly you would think that the Mage character Robin would be a mid speed character. If Marth/Lucina are fast, Ike is slow, Robin is middle speed...but his air move is painful to watch for how slow it is. I also have a few gripes with how slow the ending lag on some of his moves are. He has unnecessary animations after attacks even on the ground. Look at Elfire to see what I mean (fire move). And to a lesser extent thoron.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

From what I've seen though shiek has landing lag speeds just as good as Melee was. Not that I particularly mind since I like shiek but honestly you would think that the Mage character Robin would be a mid speed character. If Marth/Lucina are fast, Ike is slow, Robin is middle speed...but his air move is painful to watch for how slow it is. I also have a few gripes with how slow the ending lag on some of his moves are. He has unnecessary animations after attacks even on the ground. Look at Elfire to see what I mean (fire move). And to a lesser extent thoron.

This seems to be a thing in Smash 4 in general. Attacks just seem a lot more flashy, and it feels like characters are showing off or something. A lot of other gestures and movements are unnecessary in this game, like Sonic having to be glued to the floor after his Dair. It's as if Sonic is some hero who's crashed into the battle whenever he does that attack. I guess you may have to use some aerials wisely if you don't want to be left vulnerable.

 

[Katy Parry]

Don't forget our favorite Tactican who is the first mage character to be added to smash ):

Zelda says hello. She is completely a mage.

 

[Senario]

Zelda says hello. She is completely a mage.

DANG I GOT OWNED. Lol you're right though, I just keep forgetting zelda since well...lets be honest, she isn't very good. I'm actually surprised they managed to make zelda WORSE in smash 4 by removing Shiek xD....makes me feel bad yo.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Yeah, I think VGBootcamp had a video showing that when they showed fox's moveset

EDIT:

Here's that video I mentioned

I just wanted to say that these guys are really ****ing annoying.

 

[Katy Parry]

DANG I GOT OWNED. Lol you're right though, I just keep forgetting zelda since well...lets be honest, she isn't very good. I'm actually surprised they managed to make zelda WORSE in smash 4 by removing Shiek xD....makes me feel bad yo.

She actually doesn't seem worse in Smash 4. They buffed her aerials, (I saw a sweetspotted bair kill at 63% on Rosalina) her UpSmash and Fsmash both pull people towards the hurtboxes, Din's Fire is now a Kill move, Nayru's has reduced landing lag, Utilt it a combo move now (like Fox's Utilt) Farore's Wind is a KILL MOVE and is twice as fast, Phantom can be used as a perfect offstage edgeguard, plus the fact its pretty beefy and Shields Zelda against anything (meaning she can follow up after an instacast), she has a lot in her favor now. It's VERY exciting. When I played her she was very fun and smooth.

It just didn't help that in the invitational the girl who played her sucked and was the first eliminated, not to mention not very many players were proactively looking forward to try her out in the demo. I was SUPER surprised she was selectable.

And its Sheik. It's easy to remember if you think Sheik because Sheik is a she.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Yeah, that load time is sooooo much better. Glad to see proof of the debugging process..

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Most likely just an optimized build, we're not likely to find many new things there.

Also, what's up with Keldeo going all "YEAAAH!"?

 

[Tenchi Boom]

Anyone notice the ending lag after Pikachu's forward smash?

And why does he still use the same damn voice clips? They've got like, almost 20 years worth of Pikachu sound bites to choose from.

 

[HeavyLobster]

Faster loading times are always nice. I feel like everything in Brawl took a bit too long to load.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Maybe the laggy aerials are supposed to be finishers? I know Robin's fair uses the Levin sword and that's supposed to hit pretty hard.

 

[TeaTwoTime]

Aerial landing lag is obviously intended to be used as a balancing tool. The question is whether or not their ability to balance well is sound. I prefer to remain optimistic about it until proven otherwise first-hand.

 

[SSBBDaisy]

Could auto canceling on moves be buffed up a bit to reduce landing lag more now?

I don't want to be rude but that makes no sense.

Auto Canceling means no lag after an aerial or a special. You can instantly do something after you do a move. Like samus's short hope missles and marth's short hop nair in brawl auto cancel and can do another move after they finish.

If he reduces the landing lag on a move its because he reduced the landing lag on a move not because he increased auto canceling O_o.


EDIT: Also that has to be a new build. Out of all the videos I watched of the e3/best buy demo and my 2 days of smash 4 at best buy experiences I did not see keldeo in any of it.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

I don't want to be rude but that makes no sense.

Auto Canceling means no lag after an aerial or a special. You can instantly do something after you do a move. Like samus's short hope missles and marth's short hop nair in brawl auto cancel and can do another move after they finish.

If he reduces the landing lag on a move its because he reduced the landing lag on a move not because he increased auto canceling O_o.


EDIT: Also that has to be a new build. Out of all the videos I watched of the e3/best buy demo and my 2 days of smash 4 at best buy experiences I did not see keldeo in any of it.

I think he means like the window of time for a move to be autocanceled could be made larger, thus "buffing" autocanceling.

 

[SSBBDaisy]

I think he means like the window of time for a move to be autocanceled could be made larger, thus "buffing" autocanceling.

That makes sense. I'm dumb. Thanks for pointing that out XD.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

That makes sense. I'm dumb. Thanks for pointing that out XD.

Lol np everyone has their off days xD