For Glory depresses me a lot

[fireflame]

Hello, i got smash bros in august and played a lot in For Glory mode.This is my first Smash bros game and after 4000 matches+, i am barely at 48% of ratio. I feel helpless in many duels on fg, i have the feeling the game trolls me, more than in any fight game i tried, to the point i feel this is the last smash bros i am getting. I have played fight games like Mortal Kombat or Soul Blade, Rival Schools(i like those games) or Street Fighter(i hate them).

I play Link, Clad Samus armored, Evil Pit because those character shave projectiles so it helps a bit. I never play Marth or Lucina because their rswords are very short and its hard to hit. I play Bower sometimes, i prefer him over Ganondorf.

I tried many chars and now i dont feel at all at ease with some. There was a time wshere i playe dlittle Mac when i had problems to smash, because he at least smashed easily. NOw that problem is gfone and i dont like falling with Mac, so i abandoned him.

It seems hard to face grab spamming and perfect shielding, so despite knowing its "bad or lame, i play with projectile characters because projectilles create small openings and create a bit of pressure.

So while Cloud made me come back on my 2ds to play smash for a while, i feel frustrated against cause the killers are back on For Glory.

 

[CrispyKarp]

Smash is a lot harder on the 3ds it takes hours of practice. I've had the game since release and I'm still not that great at it. But don't worry about your ratio too much, just try to have fun with the game.
Look around on the forums for some tips and tricks, I've improved tremendously just reading through some threads in my short time here.

 

[Xermo]

You can't blame the game over the lack of your own skill and ability. You're whining that people are far better than you.

 

[GreenMonkey]

The point of the game is to, first and foremost, have fun. The win/lose ratio for For Glory is just a record of how you're doing online; it's nothing important for you to get depressed about. If you have a high ratio, then maybe you'll feel proud of yourself for a moment, but beating For Glory players doesn't necessarily mean you're a great player. If you have a low ratio, then it just signifies that you should practice more.

Secondly, if you're having trouble against other Smashers online, it's generally a bad idea to constantly switch between characters based on one of their strengths, then quickly ditching them because of one of their flaws. For example, you had troubles with Smash attacks, so therefore you switched to since he has strong Smashes and super armor. However, you abandoned him when you faced problems with recovering, since Little Mac has poor recovery and is easily gimped.

Instead of feeling unsatisfied with each fighter's weaknesses, you should focus on getting better with a few characters. If you enjoy playing as , , and , then spend time practicing with the three of them. This way, you'll have a better understanding of those characters and how to use them. However, if you keep abandoning characters, you'll be left feeling frustrated.

Another tip is to look for character guides here and other general advice. If you need tips on improving your fundamentals (ex. dealing with projectiles, avoiding grabs, recovering), there are guides here on SmashBoards that can help you.

 

[fireflame]

Well for the example of Mac, i checked several times some smash bros boards where characters are rated from S to F, and Mac is really low in the boards, while characters like Mario or Sheik get generally very good ratings. I will have a check at guides later, thanks for the advice.

I try to keep playing some characters, but really i played against someone and i used Link, Samus and Clad, and won most of duels.(we played a dozen, he won 3 of them)
He blamed me for spamming projectiles and said he would have won if i had not, so i thought maybe i had to play character s without projectiles. But maybe i am gonna try to remain deaf to such complaints and keep playing what i like.

 

[GreenMonkey]

Well for the example of Mac, i checked several times some smash bros boards where characters are rated from S to F, and Mac is really low in the boards, while characters like Mario or Sheik get generally very good ratings. I will have a check at guides later, thanks for the advice.

I try to keep playing some characters, but really i played against someone and i used Link, Samus and Clad, and won most of duels.(we played a dozen, he won 3 of them)
He blamed me for spamming projectiles and said he would have won if i had not, so i thought maybe i had to play character s without projectiles. But maybe i am gonna try to remain deaf to such complaints and keep playing what i like.

Go you! Using low-tier characters and representing the underdogs is definitely something to be proud of. Looking at character guides and tutorials on YouTube will definitely teach you some techniques and make you a better player.

As for the sore loser, you can simply ignore him. He's just coming up with excuses to save his pride and ego. Even if you were using projectile excessively, it's merely his fault that he doesn't know how to deal with your methods. However, if you're realllly spamming those projectiles, then maybe tone it down a notch to avoid angry opponents yelling at you.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I mean, yeah, it is like what was said before: Don't blame the game or the community that you're not good. I'm not gonna sugarcoat this for you same way it wasn't sugarcoated for me when I first started playing the game and the game itself would laugh at me.
Even then, your For Glory record means doodly squat, and they're never a good measure of anyone's skill. I even made this little rhyme, here:
"Ice Climbers with no chain grab, For Glory with no lag, that's my life without you, what a drag."
That's a place riddled with connection and input lag, bad players, obnoxious tactics, toxic behaviour, immature people, etc.. Not that nice a place.
But even then: It doesn't hurt to improve. You should pick a character and stick with it regardless of what, and try to exploit that character's potential to the max. Do a lot of offline training, try training with friends, go to places like the Smashladder, and you're guaranteed to get better in no time. Maybe to the point that you'll find FG insufficient.
It all comes down to training. Power, technique, speed, determination, all are vital aspects of competition. You performance comes from a combination of all your hard work, skill and perceverance.
Train hard, and maybe some day, you'll be the one pubstomping in For Glory, if that's what you're aiming for. Maybe, you should aim for something even bigger...

 

[Wintermelon43]

Well for the example of Mac, i checked several times some smash bros boards where characters are rated from S to F, and Mac is really low in the boards, while characters like Mario or Sheik get generally very good ratings. I will have a check at guides later, thanks for the advice.

I try to keep playing some characters, but really i played against someone and i used Link, Samus and Clad, and won most of duels.(we played a dozen, he won 3 of them)
He blamed me for spamming projectiles and said he would have won if i had not, so i thought maybe i had to play character s without projectiles. But maybe i am gonna try to remain deaf to such complaints and keep playing what i like.

That's guy's just salty, Just use whoever you like

 

[Dilan Omer]

Heh 48% is depressing? I was 32%

Although I have become very skilled in smash and my current ratio for my last 50 battles is 60% my all time ratio is 42%

Stick with a character and you will kick ass like I do..My trio of doom is Marth/Lucina/Zero Suit Samus/Link

 

[Tino]

How can anyone be depressed over their low win ratio? I remember my first 10 For Glory battles I had and my win rate was like at 42%, I think. Over time, I was able to improve quite a bit and my win rate was at around 60%, which was the last time I checked my win rate. I didn't bother looking at some numbers anymore because I don't play Smash to win, I play Smash to have fun.

I've had some success with Rosalina, Mega Man, Link, Lucina and now Cloud.

 

[Foxus]

If it makes you feel better dude, I don't have the confidence to go into FG and can still struggle in FF. All in moderation is what I can say. Try out the other mode if it fits your fancy.

In response to another user, while fun is the main idea of Smash, I believe if you want to get good at this game, a serious mindset is absolutely necessary-no buts or ifs about it. Without sounding too much like a basketball coach, you gotta be in it to win it, nothing more, nothing less. Your eyes have to constantly be on the prize; the prize being the victory of the match. And lastly, little to no losses at all. I can only suggest it benefits someone to be serious-not to the point of overkill but close, than religiously be laid back, if you want to get good at Smash.

Use who and as many of who you want, although I suggest training with one character at a time, and sticking with that character until you master that character. Then move onto the next, and repeat.

 

[pollo20x6]

How long have you played Smash, in general. Is Smash 4 you're first Smash game? Was it Brawl? Melee? 64?

 

[JUDGE]

How long have you played Smash, in general. Is Smash 4 you're first Smash game? Was it Brawl? Melee? 64?

Why dont you go ahead and read the first two sentences of the OP. Srsly dont reply to a thread if you only bother to read the title.

On topic: Besides the defensive options of your opponent there are things like DI, knockback growth,rage, character weight and fall speed you need to keep in mind when pressuring your opponent. These variables are unique to the Smash franchise and might be the issue why you have more problems than in traditional fighting games.
As with all things, you will get a feeling for it the more you practice and the more time you spent on learning the game mechanics.
Also remember that this is the 4th installment of Smash and there are a lot of people out there who have much more experience than you. Smash fundamentals from past titles carry over, so dont expect to beat people reguarly who spent more time on the game then you. Also dont pay too much attention on your winrate. As other people pointed out it is not a good representation of your skill level and besides: no one really cares about it.

Good luck, dont get discouraged and keep on training

 

[pollo20x6]

Why dont you go ahead and read the first two sentences of the OP. Srsly dont reply to a thread if you only bother to read the title.

I don't know how I missed that because I read everything else.

Anyway, in that case, all I can say is, just keep playing.
People have been playing Smash since the original came out. Even the people who have only played Smash 4 since launch will have a year's worth of experience over you.

I would recommend playing with friends or For Fun before going into For Glory, unless you can really take the losses. One of the best ways to get good is to just keep playing For Glory. As long as you learn something from every loss, you'll be improving.
But, it's hard to learn what you're doing wrong when you're still relatively new to Smash. So it can become extremely frustrsting and lead to giving up unless, like I said, you can take the punches.
The upside: This is one of the best ways to get good. Constant battles with ranging skill online.
The downside: Losing isn't fun and can get demoralizing quickly.

With For Fun and friends, you can slowly build skills while the wacky stages and items provide a opportunity for you not to lose so often.
A hammer won't be there to save you in a For Glory match, but you can still learn the matchups in a safer environment.
The upside: Have fun with your game while still learning how to beat certain characters
The downside: Slower improvement rate

The other approach is training mode.
Learn what connects and combos at what percentages and just train. Play with the damage of the CPU and really learn what to do in what situation. Make the CPU stand, attack, jump, everything
The upside: You'll get better faster than playing with items.
The downside: It can be tedious.

Another recommendation I can add is watch online videos.
Not necessarily tutorials, but touranment matches from high level players.
You'll be surprised what easy combos you can pick up from watching these vids.
The moment I saw GimR Down Throw > Judge with Game and Watch, I started successfully replicating that same motion.
I don't know how that works.
But Smash videos are a good supplement, but not a substitute to practice.

Mix my recommendation for best results on keeping things fresh.
In the end, the way to get good is to just play, play, play.

 

[Leoinu]

It seems hard to face grab spamming

Hahaha. WHAT?!

 

[33percentgod]

For Glory is the worst place online. For Glory is like those "bad towns" you see in movies. Where the main char of the movie has a guide through this shady town, while he's walking down alley ways being silent while some people are grabbing at his arms, prostitutes are yelling "$10 a night for all this baby!". The camera pans to the side of people shooting up heroine, and then groups of men yelling around dog fighting pits, and beggars, and people who are all con artists. That's For Glory summed up. It's that scene in every movie. It's the central hub of every pile of sh*t where you have to wade through all that to find the one good,smart guy who sits on his mattress on the floor in his boarded up house, reading a book trying to survive and remain zen in the sea of scum bags and sh*t lords.

 

[FamilyTeam]

...Interesting comparison.
I mean, it might be kinda fun every once in a while, but other than that, yeah, For Glory is kinda ****e.

 

[GreenMonkey]

For Glory is the worst place online. For Glory is like those "bad towns" you see in movies. Where the main char of the movie has a guide through this shady town, while he's walking down alley ways being silent while some people are grabbing at his arms, prostitutes are yelling "$10 a night for all this baby!". The camera pans to the side of people shooting up heroine, and then groups of men yelling around dog fighting pits, and beggars, and people who are all con artists. That's For Glory summed up. It's that scene in every movie. It's the central hub of every pile of sh*t where you have to wade through all that to find the one good,smart guy who sits on his mattress on the floor in his boarded up house, reading a book trying to survive and remain zen in the sea of scum bags and sh*t lords.

I think you're stretching it too far...

Yes, FG isn't the nicest or friendliest place, and most of the people there are certainly not worthy of anyone's attention, but I wouldn't describe it as that bad of a neighborhood. Certainly not anything that would include prostitution or drug-abuse.

It's more like a casino, where there's always a few clusters of drunk gamblers yelling and making a racket, but there's also a few smart players who know how to win.

 

[fireflame]

the hardest face to thing for me even playing a lot is what i call perfect shielding when it seems every attack you do meet a well timed shield. I try to learn to be less predicatble, thats something i havent been used too in other fight games. I mean, in many games, opponent can "block" you, but the feeling is very different.

Regarding the lag, ihave met three situations:when lag lasts during the whole game. When lag happens only after the first Knock out or in middle of battle, and when lag doesnt affect game spped but input.Like you push a button and it reacts a second after.

wheni talk about grab spamming i refer for example to what most of fcaptain falcon players do with grab, a lot.

I met different difficulties. For example i struggle against mario, except when i play sonic for some reason, but sonic has worse time with link mass projectile strategy.
I try to focus on a few characters right nowbut i cant say if i progress.There are days with and days without.

I cant tell if my connexion is responsible for the lag, generally i dont download lot of stuff, and have a standard connexion for my country(1,5 MO/s speed). Optical fiber is being installed in my city though, maybe i will have it one day.

 

[33percentgod]

I think you're stretching it too far...

Yes, FG isn't the nicest or friendliest place, and most of the people there are certainly not worthy of anyone's attention, but I wouldn't describe it as that bad of a neighborhood. Certainly not anything that would include prostitution or drug-abuse.

It's more like a casino, where there's always a few clusters of drunk gamblers yelling and making a racket, but there's also a few smart players who know how to win.

I'm 29 and have been gaming for my entire life. Smash's For Glory mode is one of the worst online communities I've ever seen. People will taunt non stop, start fights and insult through user names,etc. If this game had public chat I couldn't even imagine how much worse it could be. I mean sure, there are trolls and idiots in every game, but from playing Quake, to Phantasy Star Online, to TF2, to all sorts of games I've played in between, Smash has a pretty horrific group of people on For Glory (in my opinion)

Nothing will ever top Halo 2 though. Halo 2 online,when that game was at it's peak, was almost a parody the people on there were so vile.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I'm 29 and have been gaming for my entire life. Smash's For Glory mode is one of the worst online communities I've ever seen. People will taunt non stop, start fights and insult through user names,etc. If this game had public chat I couldn't even imagine how much worse it could be. I mean sure, there are trolls and idiots in every game, but from playing Quake, to Phantasy Star Online, to TF2, to all sorts of games I've played in between, Smash has a pretty horrific group of people on For Glory (in my opinion)

Even with those examples, I'm not sure if you played that many online games besides those to say FG is that bad.
Ever been to the dark side of Garry's Mod servers?
Ever played on Minecraft/TF2 servers ran by children?
Have you ever played a new CoD's MP in the months of November, December and January? Or a cracked CoD 4 server packed to the brim with mods?
Ever played GTA on a crowded server?

No? Then you ain't seen nothing.

 

[33percentgod]

Even with those examples, I'm not sure if you played that many online games besides those to say FG is that bad.
Ever been to the dark side of Garry's Mod servers?
Ever played on Minecraft/TF2 servers ran by children?
Have you ever played a new CoD's MP in the months of November, December and January? Or a cracked CoD 4 server packed to the brim with mods?
Ever played GTA on a crowded server?

No? Then you ain't seen nothing.

Yeah, that's why I said in my opinion my friend.

And why are you playing on cracked servers or servers run by children? That's openly inviting more aggravation into your life.

 

[FamilyTeam]

And why are you playing on cracked servers or servers run by children? That's openly inviting more aggravation into your life.

You don't have a choice when you have low level of income, if you catch my drift. That was many years ago, in the dark ages.
And I don't see TF2 servers named "This server is run by a child", sadly, so you don't know until you enter it.