I can't respond to July. I just...I've lost this debate, hard.
I'm sorry, I've dug myself way too far into the ground and I doubt I can submerge from this one without being lynched and I will just be a distraction slot for the rest of the game.
*sigh* Lynch me. My flip will gain information for town and help you guys win in the end. The least we can do is use the rest of this dayphase to find out who actually is scum. I'm being completely honest and saying that I am not scum. I have just played a terrible D1 and I am floundering like a fish since I haven't been under pressure in mafia in forever. The least i can do is lead a paper trail to the wagoners on my lynch, but I am going to try and give this game another read-through.
Least to say, I retract my scum-read on July. I just, my case was extremely OMGUS in retrospect because I am infuriated that she is reading me as scum. Reading her points and logic, I finally understand why people see me as scum. *took me a good 20-30 minutes to read with formatting errors* Then my Garg push is truly just a way to look at the other wagon and move the pressure from me to him so I don't get lynched which is just the survivalistic part on my end because I thought I could recover after this lynch regardless of the flip. Now? I don't really think so.
Anyways, if you have questions for me, please let me know so I can answer them before I get lynched. Going to re-evaluate....well everything this game. I'll be around, but I hate D1, with a burning passion.
That was a quick tango. Goddammit J, the AtE, there’s so much of it. I am sincerely sorry for all the formatting errors though, writing my responses in a word processor and transferring them over has made things more difficult, I know.
PLEASE do asap. we have 4 days to make a decision and ive been toying with the idea of swinging another lynch
Were you already planning on swinging another lynch, or did you decide that after J’s 478?
just wanted to mention, I didn't ask you that.
Then it must have been FrozenMarsh, you two kind of occupy the same space in my mind as the two hydras that aren’t Honk. My bad.
that literally sounds like the worst option on the table. I'm not saying I townread Kary, but on what planet is he a better lynch than Garg?
I definitely think a Garg lynch would provide us with good information, but a Kary lynch could provide a fair amount of information too. Even if Kary hasn’t interacted with everyone (hell, no one has interacted with Badwolf), enough people have weighed in on Kary that we could look at connections that way.
With a game like this? Yes. There are things to look at through the active players and as who could possibly be those "scummy actives"? I would say I am leaning IR. Gorf I am beginning to have my eye on just because he is really the middle-man in every argument so far with going back and forth and saying that he is okay with a lot of things. (Honk/Garg/Myself) I hate to bite the hand that has been helping me a bit (but backstabbing me at the same time), but it's really troubling me the more I see the exact same thing every time he posts.
Since I am caught-up now, I can post *with this post as segway* to what I am feeling right now:
Would not lynch toDay:
1. frozenmarsh751 (frozenflame751/marshy)
2. July (I feel July is town, but her reads are terrible this game, imo. I feel she is 2/3 wrong on her scum-read possibilites *well I know 1/3 but technicalities*)
5. ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ♪ (-Masquerain-/soup) *Strongest town-read after re-read*
11. Gargaglione
6. Rid****ulous (PJB/Orbo)
Nulls that I am not 100% sold on either way:
3. Gorf
7. Nicholas1024
10. BadWolf28738(he literally only has one post...)
Would lynch:
4. Kary
8. Gheb_01
12. Nabe jakestan
13. Red Ruy(still not vibing well but out of this category, last on my lynch-list after full re-read.)
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Going to think where my vote should go. I doubt I would be able to swing 1/2 of these so it seems I am mainly coming down to which one of Kary/Nabe would be my preferred lynch toDay.
Maybe I missed it, but can you explain more on why you would be willing to lynch Gheb?
I am going to head out for now. (mainly because it's 3am lol)
I have a final question though:
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July
: Enough of the walls. Let's talk. 1 on 1. Help me, help you read me as town. You are wrong that I am scum and feel you are more reading the fact that I have been playing terrible this game. If you could not get me, would you be willing to hop onto a Kary/JS wagon? Talk to me on what you would do if you got my town-flip and I flip town? Where are you looking now? Consider the possibility of being wrong on me and what it does for the rest of your reads.
If it was only for the post you made right after the wall I posted, I wouldn’t lay off you because that was just so full of AtE I don’t think that helped your case. But you’ve actually been putting in work since then and, at least somewhat convinced me that you might be geuinely scumhunting, enough to unsettle my read on you a little bit. It seems like some people have completely backed away from the possibility that you could be scum , which seems naive to me, but I can compromise on a different lynch toDay. I would be willing to go with a Kary or a Garg wagon; Jakestan, not right now. I want to actually see something from the slot now that Nabe has replaced in, Jakestan left me very null and ambivalent towards the slot but that doesn’t mean that his lynch will result in a high likelihood of a scumflip or a ton of information.
If you were lynched toDay and flipped town, I’d probably look at Kary and Garg, Kary being someone I see as scummy but not with you and Garg is scummy with or without a connection to you. I know you said that you don’t see Garg as scummy and you think I’m wrong but I very much disagree, and since I still have a suspicion of you/Garg scum I’d kind of love to see his flip. Right now, I’m still keeping an eye on my top scumreads, which still includes you, Garg and Kary, but I’m seeing a lot of suspicions around RR and Gorf that I hadn’t picked up on but I can understand accusations of Gorf sidelining; I need someone to elaborate on the case against RR though, because I’m not seeing it. So I would like to look into Gorf and RR more going forward (I’m not going to lie and say I’ll reread them because I don’t have the time or effort for that), but would I lynch them toDay? No.
If you flip town, it doesn’t really affect my other reads that much. Maybe strengthen my reads on Frozen and reddick town since they’ve really seemed to warm up to somewhere after our wall war, and I think it would make me look at Gorf in a more negative light, just because of his waivering on you. But my reads on everyone else have pretty much been independent of my read on you except Garg, although as I explained above I think that whether or not you are a scumteam, I think that he is scum.
RR was indeed clogging the thread with useless posts but it was Gorf who voted for a NL and you said you'd partly base your townGorf read on that. I still don't see how it makes sense.
Then I must have misread one of Gorf’s posts in the beginning, I just remember him telling RR to stop clogging the thread and I thought Gorf had said that RR voted for a No Lynch, but I guess he was telling RR to stop complaining about the No Lynch vote. Either way, I haven’t seen anything assiduous about his play or the way he’s interacted with players, at most he’s been sidelining, but that’s based off of what other people have gotten from him and I haven’t gotten that vibe. Maybe it’s because I feel like he’s one of the players that has weighed in most consistently on thread happenings and has actually made connections with players, which has given me the feeling that he’s been involved and contributing in a positive manner. I can look into him more though, that’s one read I’m willing to keep and eye on.
Too many worthless people that we need to get rid of. Nabistan, Gorf, Garg, Kary and Badwolf are all slots that I won't even bother trying to read at this point because there's literally nothing to read them as town for. Then there's your neverending back and forth with July which honestly didn't make either of you look too good. July still has a good bit of explaining to do and you had to resort to newbie-style AtE after getting exposed by her. In most games that'd be your guaranteed death ... in this game I doubt that it will be of any consequence. Bromarsh has done very little consequence either and recently even I myself have been in observe-mode more than anything else. And you say you're finding it hard to formulate a scum read on somebody? I personally have a hard time townreading most people.
At this rate honk will definitely stick around for a while and I don't even know how I'd argue against it now. He's fine but it's not because he's playing well.
From a strictly utilitarian point of view I'd say that Nabistan, Garg or Kary are the best lynches toDay. All of them have been utterly useless, all of them have at least some sort of connection to other players and - unlike Gorf and Badwolf [who are still decent lynches] - they have all been called scummy at some point of this Day, rightfully so. Right now I think a flip would be worth more than anything else.
You need to be more blunt here, I can’t read minds. You’ve been real laid back and at times cryptic with your reads and what you’re thinking ever since the Honk wagon blew up. What explaining do I have to do yet? In a bit more detail than what you’ve given here, can you explain your thoughts on the back and forth between J and I, other than that it made both of us look bad (did it look TvT , TvS? Why don’t you think that J’s AtE will be of any consequence in this game, even though it would be guaranteed death elsewhere? And, how do you really feel about Honk, because you seem resigned to the fact that they aren’t going to die for a while but you also don’t seem over your scumread on them, so where are you standing on them in all honesty? And finally, of the people you are okay with lynching, do you have a scumread on any or all of them, or is it all about utility?
A couple things:
1) Can we lynch Garg instead of Kary? I think both will provide information, but I just don’t completely have faith in J, despite the last couple pages, either in his town read on Garg (if J is town) or that the whole scumread/reread/townread isn’t a complete backpedal away from bussing (if J is scum)
2) Is everyone just totally okay with J now, AND if the answer to that question is yes, is it because of the AtE or because of the reread? Because everyone seems to have suddenly dropped every suspicion around J, except maybe Gheb if I’m reading his posts correctly, and I would just like to know why this is so and what was so convincing for everyone.
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