Xastrn
Dastrn|Xatres
I'm sorry you feel that way. I find it unfortunate how badly you are tunneling without taking a step back and chilling out and trying to imagine a scenario in which I am town and the shot on soup was rational.
Just chill, take your time, and we'll figure out what to do. Or freak out like soup did and you're either scum or souptastic.
I am not calling people out who oppose my views as scummy. If you'll go back to page 4 of this thread, you'll notice that I make a case on RR then and there. I didn't like his reaction to it, and I had a scum read on him LONG before we shot soup. When today started and he raged, he looked foolish, and refused to consider what half of the people in this game are accepting: it was a rational thing to do for us to make the shot, and we didn't go against our own rejected proposals, since there was consensus on killing soup.
It's RR's behavior and his tunneling and his lack of willingness to stop being (fake) emotional and start using pro-town thinking instead of what he's doing.
Ran, ask yourself this: would YOU have shot soup given the circumstances we were in? It was clearly going to happen within hours or minutes by scum, since they could pick up an unbreakable weapon. It was clearly also going to happen by any townie with a brain to see point #1 to keep it out of scum's hands. The only question is who shoots first. Since we built the case on soup, and it became clear that he was a liability and dangerous, we took him down. What would you have done? What would you have assumed regarding scum's motives at that point?
Below is my post when I said specifically that I WOULD answer questions given the circumstances I asked for, and not just because someone goes crazy with their caps lock button and their swearing. (i swear too, not saying that's bad. Just saying I don't have to react to people being d*cks if I don't want to. I'll answer my own way, with my own reasoning, and in my own time. See below.
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More caps lock. More swearing. More rage when rational conversation is plenty effective. Look at what raging did to soup, and how it affected town. I won't have it. I'll reply anyways because the answers are simple enough.
I do want to point out that I had to read 200 posts to get caught up and I didn't create a reply tab for everything that referenced me. Even after I had made some posts, there was still so much going on that it was easy to ignore 702 when there was so much else going on. Furthermore, not everyone answers everyone else's questions, no matter how much they rage and spit and scream. I've asked dozens of questions that haven't been answered.
Here is Kary's 702 that he is referring to so calmly and patiently while I'm staying active AND spending time with my wife AND going to my 10 year reunion.
1. Xatres suggested it was potentially a bus, not me. But as it turns out I agree that it was a fair guess at the time. Raz could have been "doing town a favor" and hitting the obvscum (in all of our eyes) fast and used our reasoning regarding it being safer for the weapon to be in town's hands or whatever. We thought soup would flip scum. All of us who are not scum thought that. If raz was scum, and soup were scum, then the bus would have absolutely been the right play asap. It would get the unbreakable weapon in scums hands without making raz look dirty because he would have made an accurate kill. That's why Xatres made the shot when he could. It was a reasonable assumption that a bus was likely.
We hadn't suspected raz as far as I remember up until that point. Looking at our town -> scum lists, we both had him relatively higher towards town.
2. I think I answered this above, and I'm sure I've answered it countless times. Scum hammering soup (if soup was scum as well) would have kept the weapon he had. Even if he didn't have an unbreakable weapon and that was a "princess" ploy, scum could just bus him to spend one weapon and pick up the one soup had. Scum hammering is bad if they can use the weapon they scoop. If they cannot, then it's probably GOOD for scum to hammer, but of course we have no idea what they can use, and they won't tell us.
Every player starts with a weapon, but that doesn't mean that weapons are worthless. Consider your bullets in RE4, if you played it. At the very beginning, you only have a few. And you need them all. If you shoot a few at a tree, or shoot too early at the early zombies coming through the woods, and miss, or hit an arm or something, you are wasting the only bullets you have.
Weapons are precious commodities in this game. There are a limited number of them, and every kill removes one from the game. We assumed that every scum kill would break a weapon. That's a reasonable assumption, right? Please answer this question quick in your reply. That means that they only get 3 (assuming 3 in a 12 man game is normal, not special information that I have...just the most likely setup) weapons and 3 kills. They HAVE to pick up weapons, and they HAVE to be weapons they can use or else they are done killing and have to just create medley and mayhem and help the town explode. (Speaking of which, who is creating medley and mayhem today? Just a thought.)
So to answer your question, OF COURSE scum need everyone else's weapons, as often as possible. Otherwise they can't kill and can only create confusion and hope to ride it out while town implodes.
