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Can you turn on your brain before posting? Please?Can we reconsider this guy on a Bardull townflip? Please?
You remember incorrectly. The slot was scummy from like the very beginning of the game ...Iirc HBW was pre town
YesterDay DSH, Scary, Acro and Gorf were roleblocked, toDay it's J, KWK, Ran and I. Nobody got blocked twice but the NK still failed both times. The most obvious conclusion would be that Scary carried out the kill and got blocked N1 and that N2 the kill either got blocked or the target got protected. But I doubt the latter happened because scum wouldn't target MC. So we can assume that the kill toNight came from J, KWK, Ran or me ... you can exclude me from that pool though because it'd assume that I've roleblocked my own scummate's NK N1.We have us, J, Gheb, and Ranmaru all roleblocked, and MC protected by DSH."
I'm curious about the lack of response to the post I quoted, from D2. You were questioning me, on a different tack than the one you've got now (about my being "weird", which you never elaborated on). The thing I call relevant is that, in the post, I direct you to another post higher up the same page (1722) regarding my read and POV on interactions with MC. The post came to be when you mentioned what you deemed to be a "disconnect" between the two slots' actions D1 and D2.Hi. What did you want exactly?
Acro was pushhing J, yet you weren't really trying to push that yourself. Yet you openly state this with confidence, and don't do anything about it. What is your current read on J? Again, You seemed to have a problem with him D1 and gave up on him... and then nothing. What's up with that?Gosh, do not do that. You're the only player making any sense (including me).
Yes. Much yes. Very wow. Such good.YesterDay DSH, Scary, Acro and Gorf were roleblocked, toDay it's J, KWK, Ran and I. Nobody got blocked twice but the NK still failed both times. The most obvious conclusion would be that Scary carried out the kill and got blocked N1 and that N2 the kill either got blocked or the target got protected. But I doubt the latter happened because scum wouldn't target MC. So we can assume that the kill toNight came from J, KWK, Ran or me ... you can exclude me from that pool though because it'd assume that I've roleblocked my own scummate's NK N1.
@#HBC | Nabe @Vult Redux @
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Maximum Carnage
What's your take on this?
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No. You could not possibly have dismissed this in the manner you're describing. Here, try again:I didn't see any reason to respond to it. I questioned you and got what I wanted. I also don't see why I would use it in my case. It's not telling to me either way, and that wouldn't spark me to re-read.
You wrote a whole case about me being scum with MC, through interactions with MC. This post, addressed to you, is me discussing my interactions with MC. If you say you "don't see" how that is relevant, you are lying.Perhaps he's won me over with his winning smile and glowing personality. : B Alternatively, maybe you're being a little slow.They both are ignoring their play from YesTerday to push this NA lynch through ToDay. It isn't telling, simply concerning. Especially when Carnage pushed Nabe for no frickin' reason, and then there is an obvious disconnect toDay.
YesterDay, MC was leaning scum partially from the Ryker head, but mostly null through their entire interaction with me, which consisted largely of persistent antagonism. I came up with reasoning at the time that would suit the pair's actions as either faction. The remainder of their interaction with me was hard in the other direction, ignoring me when it was clear I was no longer a lynch option. Again, I took this as null. At the end of the Day, there was an interaction between MC and Scary that made
ToDay, MC's posts have (mostly) had inherent and/or stated intent. The OS head toDay is making posts that could actually be read, unlike the neutral antagonism of yesterDay -- they are working towards an agenda, rather than towards nothing. And most importantly, the reads they're expressing are largely in line with my own.
Consider for a second my point of view. I'm voteless toDay, and many of my scumreads are heading for a lynch of another of my scumreads. I can't contribute to the lynch, but as a Sage Lv 1, I can roleblock two of the people on that lynch. Why wouldn't I support that lynch? Meanwhile, another player was a nullleaningscum for me D1, and had no meaningful interaction with me before toDay. And, that player is the one person I can be sure toDay didn't send in the NK last Night. Why wouldn't I take an opportunity to interact with that player further?
At the point that I posted that, I didn't expect Scary to flip scum. My Scary push at that time was entirely to watch the players who were looking at Scary (J, dabuz, Gorf, MC). But with Acro subbing out, I wanted to tell him that I thought he was on the right track. It was only after Scary's claim that I wanted follow-through on that lynch.Acro was pushhing J, yet you weren't really trying to push that yourself. Yet you openly state this with confidence, and don't do anything about it.
My "giving-up" on him wasn't. But see above; I don't have a scumread on J anymore -- he wanted a Scary lynch from beginning to end, and never tried to back out of it.What is your current read on J? Again, You seemed to have a problem with him D1 and gave up on him... and then nothing. What's up with that?
Is that why you chose Scary? Why didn't you target J N1 actually? You targetted MC and Scary right? Also when did you say you were fine with the scary wagon to look at the wagoners?At the point that I posted that, I didn't expect Scary to flip scum. My Scary push at that time was entirely to watch the players who were looking at Scary (J, dabuz, Gorf, MC). But with Acro subbing out, I wanted to tell him that I thought he was on the right track. It was only after Scary's claim that I wanted follow-through on that lynch.
What did you do then?I didn't roleblock because my role disallows me to use the same action two Nights in a row.
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What did you do then?
Logging on my hydra after this post.
Define 'better'? It wasn't a reads post. That post was me questioning your use of the term "obvious disconnect" by demonstrating my obvious chain of thought. It was a rebuttal. You ignored it, and then ignored me again when I called attention to it against your confusing assertion that my posting was "weird". ToDay, it's absent in your Nabe/MC-focused summary of the thread, despite the fact that I handed to you as a written statement, ready to be argued against by, gee, I don't know, someone who thinks it's a lie.That post was you telling me why you felt OS made Maximum Carnage better to you that day.
I think you just tried to make a massively scummy push on me from your first post of the Day onwards, then very quickly recanted when several people raised very small disagreements, and are now trying to sweep aside a disconnect between your "read" and the only thought process that could have gotten you to that read. Therefore, I think you wrote a slanted connections case by cherry-picking posts that could be made to suit your interpretation.You being voteless and wanting to support Carnage doesn't invalidate your play from D1 and doesn't actually make sense along with your play D1. I think you are just trying to make a mole out of a mountain with a post I didn't need to respond to.
The answer to this question is in the post of mine; the one that I'm arguing about; the one you've clearly not read.Is that why you chose Scary? Why didn't you target J N1 actually? You targetted MC and Scary right?
In the exact same post as the answer to the previous question, which, again, is right there.Also when did you say you were fine with the scary wagon to look at the wagoners?
I think that I'll go ahead and ignore the WIFOM.One more thing. Scary tracked J to HBW but failed to out his role when others claimed to doc HBW. He said he didn't claim that info because he just didn't want to claim at all. What do you think of that?
I think this is your only problem and it isn't really a problem. I still scum-read you, and backed down from my MC read because others have given good points. Is it wrong for me to want to get scum lynched as soon as possible? Is it wrong for me to question a doom that is supposed to happen on Night 4 (that you yourself said would happen)??ToDay, it's absent in your Nabe/MC-focused summary of the thread, despite the fact that I handed to you as a written statement, ready to be argued against by, gee, I don't know, someone who thinks it's a lie..
What?
Quote the bolded, immediately. I never said HBC/Bardull were super town or anything close to that adjective. You can even ask MC because every time I mentioned a read on them, I quickly followed up with "same goes for marshy's slot".the recap of my interaction with J:
J: (earlier on day 2) 'hbc/bardull are town with tons of swag '
>later on
J: 'i never said bardull/hbc was town and i think they are scum. long story short my read on hbc is that he tried to push jdietz so that scary could be saved. that was the whole plan. also bardull wasn't trying to body scary so he must be scum'
bardull: 'marshy was just being marshy and hardbodying people he thought were scum. also i didn't push scary for the same reason i didn't push dabuz.'
i feel like he's tunneling my slot and wants me to be a great piece to fit into his puzzle but i'm definitely a corner piece and he's trying to fit me into the center :-x.
@J i still don't really understand the whole story of you flipping on your town read of my slot...the story doesn't add up. if you can summarize your entire approach and conclusion to how i'm scum that would be great. but i'm telling you that you're wrong and marshy was just being marshy while i was reading scary as null. but if you have a thorough explanation for it all then i'm down.
I disagree with your Nabe case because I find it wrong and of ill-thought. I do not agree to the logic you are using to connect Nabe/MC because (as KWK said) it's conspiracy theory and is up there with the drivel of "NAs>Dayplay" fiasco. Let's also go into the fact that Nabe/MC are town-reads of mine, so fundamentally, I have no idea why you are asking me for my opinion on this matter because I do not want to talk about something I disagree with nor share a valid opinion on. I also don't want to talk about it because I do not feel it will help me find scum. If anything, it is going to detract my attention from finding out who is. I disagree with it because I don't like it nor do I want it if that's succinctly enough for you. I am not going into why I find certain points to be "wrong" or each point and say "I agre e/disagree" because that is a waste of time. (for me) Plus your forceful pushing of my slot to answer these makes me not want to answer them either because I can't see why you need my opinion over a bunch of nulls or anything really. Your next post is completely moot and I've already answered that.Hey J. I still want to see why you disagree with my Nabe case. At least talk to me about it succinctly. You can even talk about the summary I gave. It's right here for easy reference
This is his reasoning on Vult. Pushing an "inactive" slot and throwing his inactivity as a way to say "he wasn't here during the scary lynch, must have been hiding" which is showing of something to me. He isn't looking at Vult in a fair light, but just looking for a reason to cast suspicion on Vult rather than truly decipher if he is town or scum. That's something I don't like nor do I see town intent behind his posts. If he truly felt Vult was scum, why not ask questions, or even give reasons as to why he might be scum. Hell, he could even quote reasons I have posted when talking about Vult in my reads posts which say why I even have my eye on Vult. It looks more like he is hopping on the "let's not lynch me, let's lynch an inactive" wagon and Vult is the fall person for it.Bardull said:the dude has been seriously missing in terms of thread presence ever since the scary wagon got going fast on d2. not derailing ran's approach though 'cause i like his train of thought WRT scum wanting to look good upon the scary botched claim.
I lova you for the unvote btw.Unvote
This is my precaution to stop a self-hammer which would be truly tragic at this point in the game.
i could have self hammered are you kiddin' me j zzzzzzzUnvote
This is my precaution to stop a self-hammer which would be truly tragic at this point in the game.
Give me some real talk on Bardull. I know you've been pushing the slot for quite a while this game but do you see a connection between Scary's scum flip and the slot's play towards the slot?However, Bardull is scum and that is a fact. Sworddancer replacing out on D1 is evidence enough. Sworddancer always replaces out when he's scum and he never replaces out when he's town. It's really that simple.
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i'm a double voter that gets vote blocked and role blocked if i lynch scum. i'm 'mewt,' the prince of ivalice dude from FFT. i can also cast 'unspell' as my chosen ability. hbw targeted gheb n1, i targeted vult n2. i was not told if my ability succeeded.
i'm gonna be brutally honest: this lynch sucks. the only people who i think might not be scum on this is like J but only because of his earlier play towards scary.
problems i have with this lynch:
1. gheb is just yelling 'bard is scum' but he hasn't really substantiated himself so in the words of marshy '**** that dude outta hear' if i get lynched, seriously.
2. j is being whack with his push because he's seeing things WRT HBW. his push on scary early game was fine, he kinda dropped it though towards the end of d2 but he's obviously not the play today and i don't see a reason to lynch him yet.
3. dabuz is either eating up j's case or is using j's case as a convenient excuse to lynch a townie, not sure which one it is because the dude is always kinda scummy whenever i read through his play as either alignment so i crunch it as null.
4. MC was just playing NA analysis on D2 and literally convoluted the thread as opposed to day play. dude claims it's worth it but i think it's a convenient excuse to not have to come up with reads or quality content. no disrespect intended but that's how i feel about it. and now he's voting for me. i have no clue why either, guess my wagon is popular.
5. kreative claims that i was trying not to kill off scary which makes me scum but that's not true. i said i was willing to body him if that's what town wanted, was totally uninterested in derailing a scary wagon. either way there are other people who were not vehemently approaching the scary slot as being scum.
@#HBC | Nabe - Ran is different this game but i'm not getting an inherently scummy vibe from it.