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how swagged up is this game right now?

  • swag a thousand trillion!!

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • swag on a zillion!!

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • incalculable amounts of swag

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • enter the hardbody more like enter the swag

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • SWAG OUT!

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • wow! strapped with the swag!

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Total voters
    24

Death Bear

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Gunna read Kat one more time, i might join that kata push Kary.

PJB may or may not come back to be a thing, I feel like i shouldn't let this go.
 

Death Bear

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Also, interesting to not that PJB's at L1 and no one is looking to hammer, telling Y/N ?
 

#HBC | Kary

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so lynching/vigging from your bottom four should be GG kary?
Right now I think the bottom 3 would be GG. Kata, Nabe, Circus-Xonar.

Why am I being reconsidered on a kat townflip?
I would probablt have to look at everyone again on a Kata townflip (unless Xonar-Circus + Nabe are scum). But I think your slot would be top of the list to re-read if I'm wrong about Kata (which I don't think I am). Part of that is interactions with Kata, part of it is general questions about your slot.
 

ranmaru

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After a re-read, I have solidified my scumread on Orbo. I think he is the BEST way to go.

LETS GO GUYS

WAGON ORBO NOW
 

ranmaru

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Red Ryu talk to me about that stuff you said about Soup veiling himself behind Kuz. How did that progress? Also can you tell me about his interactions with Bardull? What did you think of those?
 

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Ran it's deadline tomorrow. PJb lynch, kat or xonar's replacement being vigged.
Ruy get on the damn hydra XD i thought rake was bad.
 

ranmaru

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Notes from re-read (up to page 20):

PJB
#175
#176
Felt these show that PJB may be town, this negates any accusations of him not doing anything. He came in without being called in at this time, to show his thoughts. At this time, the only thing serious was my wagon, and he felt I was town for it. I didn’t think there was anything else that was telling at that time.

Rockin
#202
#205
I think these signal that Rockin is town. He quickly jumps to voting Kary for not doing anything himself, while asking for more. While in doing so, he forgets that he should have waited for Circus to answer so he would not taint the purpose of Kary’s question. This shows that he acted in error due to emotional frustration, and I see it as genuine, and not scummy because he wasn’t trying to paint Kary as scummy, he was just irritated that Kary did that. I also think Rockin realizes that his playstyle and Kary’s are a bit different, and I also find that town.

Soup
He is still a bit confusing to me. Take a look at his #158. He mentions the error of thinking that Swords was responding to Me, and not Kary. First off, I don’t see how that would change his accusation on Swords. Also notice that recently, J stated dislike of Soup due to his interaction with Swords, and Kuz voting Soup in agreeence with J. Also, Swords really debunked Soup’s reasoning for attacking him, and I feel this was more of a backtrack here. Now what I need to find is if Soup really had a reason to wait for Kuz after this back down.
Nabe asked me about Soup’s interaction with Bardull. #177. Soup mentions his [Bardull’s] Entry post sucked, but never really gave an alignment tell to it. It was an easy way to phone in content to the thread. He did the same towards me on page 3, in Post #97. Finally, Soup mentions that Bardull’s post comes off as if he is trying to seem townie and lay his obvtownie vote on me. #179. Yet, he never gave a read on Bardull for that nor did he push in Bardull’s direction for that. So from that interaction, I would garner that Soup was ‘interacting’ with Bardull there to seem like he was doing something to ‘deal’ with Bardull’s crap play, but not his actions. Further on he digs into Bardull’s stance on me. It gives Bardull a chance to elaborate on his weak stance on me. It’s not really a concern from soup, but a curiosity. “Is there anything else you dislike about him [Ranmaru]?” It’s a bit concerning from Soup. It rings similar to his question of “Do you feel differently then before?” to Swords. In short, Soup thinks Bardull’s entry post is crap but not something worth reading into, and instead of voting/accusing Bardull, he asks him if there are any other reasons to disliking me. I don’t really see this as questions that help find scum. He ended up liking Bardull despite that bad entry.

Soup’s #336. He mentions he is here after Kata mentions that no one Is in the thread. Soup states that he was just waiting on Kuz, but I’m sure there were plenty of things he could have done before then. For example, he could have done more with his Bardull interaction, but he didn’t.

#434

Here Soup tells Bardull he has 3 votes, and that he [Soup] is thinking where he stands with all this. He doesn’t find anything wrong with Bardull, yet is telling him he’s getting ready to face him if need be.

#534
Here soup mentions he thinking about him getting on Bardull’s wagon, yet he has never acted. Earlier on he wasn’t really attacking bardull, yet trying to help him. He also stated he was thinking of where he stood in all this, but did he state it? I feel he was saying this multiple times as to stall from actually giving a solid stance on Bardull’s play.

#565
Here Soup finally mentions that he feels Bardull is actually being choppy. But he doesn’t push on his wagon, he has Bardull as a compromise. Yet, in the post before him, he singles out Bardull and Kat and is trying to see if one of them is scum.

#603
I don’t know why Soup pits Circus and kat together, instead of Bardull and Kat. Hmm.

#643
I think by this time Soup has totally dropped Bardull, and been focusing more on Circus.

Nabe asks people how they feel about Bardull, and here #729 he says that he wishes he would respond to him.

Your vote on Hilt is pretty alarming.


..Um, is there a specific reason for your Hlit vote, Rockin?
Notice how he feels Rockin's vote on Hilt is alarming yet... drops the questioning and comes along the ride after Bardull comes in (quote below). But why? I feel it's just to take advantage of a coming lynch. He didn't really care about Rockin's vote.

Vote: Hilt

@Bardull #564 and on.

Circus
Still alarming. Yet this quote had me interested:
"this" is referring to my statement that J having a better laid out stance against Ran than Ran does on Rockin isn't necessarily a good thing

My point was basically just that J's immediate leap to something close to case making against Ran may be indicative of defensiveness—a need to create boogeymen quickly so as to divert attention from the true scum. He lays out a read so thoroughly in his 119, full of quality points, but there's an eagerness to it that feels premature. Of course, Ran beating me to the punch on the Rockin read could be indicative of same, but it feels more genuine to me at least, since he doesn't feel the need to shoot straight to post dissection before there are hardly any posts to dissect.

Short version of that is Ran and J both get my sideways eyes for running headlong at scumreads, but I'm calling Ran the more natural looking runner of the two.
From his #286
This seemed interesting because the person J was trying to separate my ‘attack’ from was Bardull, and Bardull did flip scum. Something to keep in mind.

His #599 I will leave for later, as I don’t see him as a problem and I can remember most of his play since it wasn’t a big presence.

Kat
#343
Kat mentions that He’s fine with killing off Bardull/Soup for laying low for no good reason. He states he doesn’t see why Soup would just do nothing after his backdown from his Sword push. I don’t see how Kat progressed from this to killing anyone besides him and a few others. Yet I don’t find it suspicious. Just missed.
#403
Here Kat mentions that he didn’t notice Soup’s 348, and he started to see the progression. I don’t know what this means without context, but I assume this may have played a part in his read on Soup getting better? Hmm. He then just starts talking about Bardull about how he wants him.
#423
Here Kat mentions he wants to rally up the troops which includes me/soup/swords and prolly nabe. What this means to me is that Soup may have been better to him from there. Something in between his #423 and #403 made him lean a bit better on Soup.

Nabe
His #449 seems a little eager. It’s a bit confusing, and I really want to know what set him off, even if gut.
 

ranmaru

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So. The reason why I feel it's best to go in the direction of Soup/Orbo, is because Soup *****-footed his away around Bardull from very early. At first he felt Bardull's entry was crappy, as he did with Death Bear. Then, he interacts with Bardull, but in a helpful manner, not in a accusatory manner. He ends up liking him, but later one he mentions possibly getting on Bardull. Keep in mind he was always thinking on his stance on Bardull, and thinking on getting on the wagon. He even pitted Bardull and Kat together, yet after Circus posted, Soup had dropped Bardull and instead pitted the 'one scum out of the two of them' thing between Circus and Bardull. He then tries to make a push on Rockin, and mentions he dislikes his vote on Hilt, and even asks why. Yet, after Bardull comes in and makes a big post, he just jumps on Hilt without really caring about Rockin's response. This also makes me feel his Rockin push was fake because he wasn't really caring about his 'hilt' dislike. It was like build up for his scumread on Rockin, but that dissapeared after a while.

This is why I feel it's best to HARD BODY Orbo. LETS GO GUYS
 

Orboknown

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Your tunneling Ran. I'm not gonna be the lynch for today. Are you willing to no lynch if I'm not the leading wagon at the end of the day?
 

ranmaru

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Nabe:

I'll consider your post on PJB. I also re-read, and I think I got a better conclusion to the soup/bardull interaction. I want you to look at my #1417 and tell me what you think and I'll give a response to your case on PJB as well.

Will Lynch: Soup/Orbo, Deathbear
Compromise: Pjb.

Vig List: Soup/Orbo if he isn't lynched, then Deathbear.
 

ranmaru

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KARY AND KATA!!!

I need you both to talk to me. Kary, I'll look at your Kata case and tell you my thoughts.

KAT! You need to get in here and respond to my #1374!!!

You both are my strongest town reads here. I want to get something decided between us.

COME. THE. FUQQ. ON!!!!

LETS HARDBODY
 

Death Bear

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Ran is town reading Kat and PJB, even though Kat's day 2 play has in no way warranted keeping that town read. Great anti-town behavior.

I will compromise on Kat if pushed but I will not vote Orbo.
 

ranmaru

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Death Bear. Do you know why I have a problem with you? You keep undermining my Soup/Orbo read in order to further push your PJB lynch. You don't even try to talk to me about my #1417. You also ignored my whole post on Orbo and deflected towards PJB by saying "Oh, and PJB hasn't switched to Nabe with Opportunism". How does that help us truly find scum?

Why aren't you considering Soup here? I want you to talk me about my #1417, Soup's interaction with Bardull and his play near deadline of D1.
 

ranmaru

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We have time. Consider that Xonar also replaced out.

Respond to my post please.
 

Death Bear

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Are you kidding me on that vig list? Orbo and us over Xonar, Kat, Rockin, the three inactives? Seriously?!

Gonna be marshy about this, PJB needs to go, that or Kat. I will be revaluations on flips but right now this needs to happen.
 

ranmaru

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Death Bear, stop ignoring my #1422. Cut the bull****. Reply to it NOW.
 

ranmaru

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And he leaves the thread. Doesn't wanna talk to me? Fine.
 

#HBC | Kary

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Well this leaves me in an unhappy situation. Even if I could swing Orbo, i'm not super-confident in him being scum. So even though i'm confident he's more likely to be scum than PJB, I'd be struggling uphill to keep PJB alive again. Hoorah.

I'm going to wait for our replacement to arrive I think.

Oh, and one more thing. Nabe claims first thing toMorrow, no more excuses- fair enough?
 

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The only person who is bringing actual substance to the PJB wagon is Nabe, which is why I'm willing to listen and work with him on it. I don't see how a PJB lynch can pull through when 2/4 of it is just "Let's hardbody PJB for no good reason" and 1/4 of it is just 'I'm defaulting to PJB and giving up".

I'm also cool with Nabe claiming first thing ToMorrow.
 

Orboknown

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Orbo, what do you think of this?
Think it's ruy saying how he feels about you. don't think he's right, but it doesn't make him scum.
Oh, and one more thing. Nabe claims first thing toMorrow, no more excuses- fair enough?
I'm down with that.
The only person who is bringing actual substance to the PJB wagon is Nabe, which is why I'm willing to listen and work with him on it. I don't see how a PJB lynch can pull through when 2/4 of it is just "Let's hardbody PJB for no good reason" and 1/4 of it is just 'I'm defaulting to PJB and giving up".

I'm also cool with Nabe claiming first thing ToMorrow.
So I get you saying ruy/rake are just hammering at it, but I've brought as much to it as nabe has. I assume kat is your defaulter?
Kary, you'll hammer to avoid no lynching right?
 

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Orbo, isn't it similar to your point on PJB for 'assualting character'? Seeing as how I'm obv-town, Death bear had to default to calling me anti-town. How is it anti-town to express my own feelings for vig picks?
 

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I can see the parallels, but it's not the same imo as me seeing PJB call DB stupid. Also it wasn't about your vig icks, it's for your kat read.
 

Orboknown

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Because he's saying he finds you scummy for your reads. That's going after your play. Where PJB imo was going after DB's character
 

Death Bear

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Death Bear, stop ignoring my #1422. Cut the bull****. Reply to it NOW.
Your pointing the gun at not question marks. Kat, fine disagreements whatever.

But Xonar and Rockin? I highly doubt you have solid reads on those slots and neither should most of the cast in this game.
 

Death Bear

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Orbo, isn't it similar to your point on PJB for 'assualting character'? Seeing as how I'm obv-town, Death bear had to default to calling me anti-town. How is it anti-town to express my own feelings for vig picks?
No.

You saying you would refuse to lynch either was anti-town to me if you would push a NL over them.
 

Death Bear

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Well this leaves me in an unhappy situation. Even if I could swing Orbo, i'm not super-confident in him being scum. So even though i'm confident he's more likely to be scum than PJB, I'd be struggling uphill to keep PJB alive again. Hoorah.

I'm going to wait for our replacement to arrive I think.

Oh, and one more thing. Nabe claims first thing toMorrow, no more excuses- fair enough?
100% behind this.
 
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