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[ranmaru]

Now that PJB mentions it, I agree that Soup was being opportunistic with his hop on PJB. He was being opportunistic by putting his 'concerns' of me on hold, so he could be able to push PJB. That was not a genuine change of reads. That was a calculative change of reads. Then I seemed to have leaned town after a 're-read'. Soup then stating that his push on PJB was crap is a bit concerning. Guys, just because he replaced out and may have done to because of personal reasons, does not invalidate him saying that as odd. If he was having trouble, why would he even COMMENT on his push when replacing out? I still think it's a backtrack.

I also don't like Orbo's initial read on PJB and switch. I feel Orbo is trying to mudsling PJB just so he could get on the wagon. For example, he was critisizing PJB for stating that he was against a plan due to it 'breaking the game', yet I don't really see any scum intent from that post of PJB. It just seems he is trying to paint PJB in a nasty light however he can, with trivial things. Orbo initially had a wishy washy 'town side of null' read on PJB, but no where in his PJB wall did he mention any of the townnull tells/quotes. This seems like he was entirely focused on pushing PJB as his pick without thinking about the initial read he got. Also, it's funny he points out PJB for being reserved when his own slot was very reserved with voting. He initially said he was sorta townie for 'putting his thoughts out there', but never really shows which post he thought of when saying this.

That's scum numbah #1

Scum numbah #2 is....

DEATH BEAR.

Also, PJB; Claim por favor.



We don't need to rush this lynch by any means, but it's highly doubtful short of unexpected events I will be as interested and in favor of a lynch; As i am with PJB's.

Kary yelled at Death Bear, and this is a concerning post. The underlined and the bold contradict their intentions. He says he doesn't intend to rush the lynch yet wants PJB to claim. I mean he's eager for it. It just seems they are saying that to show that they are a good townie that is patient and will do everything they can to consider other options, yet also saying they just really want PJB at the end of the tunnel.

Rake thinks Soup is town, but I am not sold on that yet being town bros with him. I'm still kinda bothered by his D1 behavior with just a question of, "What is the purpose of this?" I'm currently working on documenting Bardull's stuff and Sworddancer's things so I can get a better idea why things happened and who is more likely with reactions.

I have a problem with this from both sides of the Hydra. Both say they are ISO'ing Soup to give a good concrete read on him, but I have yet to see such ISO's. To me, as I initially felt, this feels like them avoiding the Soup issue while it was building up.

People think we are fishy but do nothing to show it, hilarious.

Xonar thinks I am a liability lynch in every game because he's hates playing with me, hilarious. Sad I think your slot is town, I'd love to off you and not deal with your stuff but guess not. But lets skip the **** fight and actually work together, I don't want to drag Rake in this because you hate me in mafia games.

vote: PJB

Lets actually get some votes rolling on someone who is actually a scummy. Hint fake content and overall unhelpful. Nabe, Xonar, Ran, can we hardbody him?

I think this is the most concern I have for Death Bear. I think they were getting some pressure their way, and responded with trying to push the PJB wagon further without much substantiation. It just feels like them voting PJB to distract from the attention they were getting, and to just lynch someone that seems scummy, because they seem scummy, and not because of the 'scum intent'. I find this a bit opportunistic, and desperate for them.

I think Ranmaru is off and I don't like him. I think he's far too willing to jump on wagons.

I just noticed that Soup said this upon replacing out. Remember that he said he felt I was town lean on a re-read. Yet right after replacing, he mentions this. I think it's a bit inconsistent with what he said in thread. Kind of makes me think he was just making up the read on me to avoid me dogging him. Any thoughts on this?

 

[ranmaru]

TL;DR:

Soup + Deathbear are scum.

 

[ranmaru]

Also, Rockin. About Nabe. I do see him as a question mark, but nothing more now. I feel it's better we just push for scummies, and deal with Nabe tommorow if we are out of leads.

You may be tiffed about him lying, but stop to consider if Townies may lie as well. Have you seen townies always telling the truth? Even stronger players? I understand that you may be struggling allowing Nabe to live after the role he claimed to be came up dead, but would you compromise to having him lynched before Lylo/Mylo, if we don't have leads by that point? (I'm not saying MUST LYNCH at this point, but a definite option)

Btw, what's your opinion on me, just wondering?

 

[ranmaru]

Unvote Vote: Orbo

For emphasis

 

[ranmaru]

By the way guys. We have 3 days until deadline.

Let's wagon Orbo/Deathbear!

PJB, that means you. I think your previous post is a good point.

 

[ranmaru]

Kary, talk to me about Death Bear. How is your opinion on him progressing?

Did he ever respond to your concerns?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

prodded kataefi

votecount 2.12
nabe (1) - pjb
orbo (2) - kataefi ran
kary (1) - nabe
pjb (2) - death bear orbo
rockin (1) - kary
not voting (2) - rockin xonar

voting log
orbo -> pjb -> none -> pjb
pjb -> nabe
rockin ->
death bear -> nabe -> none -> pjb
ranmaru -> nabe -> none -> pjb -> orbo
xonar -> ranmaru -> kataefi -> death bear -> none
nabe -> pjb -> kary
kataefi -> nabe -> orbo
kary -> nabe -> none -> rockin

with 9 ballin it takes 5 to hardbody. deadline is 3/29 11:59:59 pm est

 

[Kataefi]

omg i got prodded! it's just been BIZZY! Okay i'm reading now

 

[ranmaru]

KAT I want your vote back in place somewhere, we got wagons to build! Three days till' deadline!

also talk to me about soup/Death bear :3

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Hi.
Is it a "crock of ****"? Awfully specific. Am I reading PJB's posts incorrectly, or is there a different problem?

You will note that I was being non-specific on purpose, to allow PJB to answer his detractors.
I would argue that you are reading PJB's posts superficially and perhaps uncharitably

Except these are all things PJB hasn't actually done

I disagree.

I hope you're not arguing that being lazy is a good thing, or that regardless of its truth, Kary would be somehow justified in reading you as town for it.

Kary reading PJB as town for admitting he was being lazy.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

This is what I get for mafia after a party.

[...]

Xonar is town cause Soup's play before, Rake convinced me.

I can only assume you're confusing the Xonar-Circus slot with the Soup-Orbo slot. I am disappoint.

PJB, if I am wrong, who else is scum.

I'd like you to answer more or less this question, Death Bear. Who aside from PJB is scum, particularly if PJB flips town?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, I can't help but feel you have a strong dislike for me in general and just want me gone just cause. Do you actually find me scummy or not?

Nearly forgot to respond to this. Lol yes Rockin my dislike for your slot is nothing personal, I do actually find you scummy. Quick reminder:

• all-Day catchup D1
• starts waggon I strongly disagree with
• demands Nabe should die, goes quiet on issue.
• no other scumpicks/scumhunting

 

[Death Bear]

Ran.

Let me get this straight.

Your lynching one of your strongest townread ?

Scum numbah #2 is....

DEATH BEAR.

Yeah, you completely fabricated a case out of thin air lol. Like you literally pulled up 2 things that are complete null tells and spun them scummily to meet your own agenda.

Kary yelled at Death Bear, and this is a concerning post. The underlined and the bold contradict their intentions. He says he doesn't intend to rush the lynch yet wants PJB to claim. I mean he's eager for it. It just seems they are saying that to show that they are a good townie that is patient and will do everything they can to consider other options, yet also saying they just really want PJB at the end of the tunnel.

No, it's not, wanting him to claim and rushing the lynch are two seperate ideals, he was already at L2 at the time if i recall, asking for a claim was not out of the question at all, if I had wanted to rush it i would have just come in and started yelling for the noose and ignored whatever he said till he died.

How is kary yelling at me telling / play into your opinion?

I think this is the most concern I have for Death Bear. I think they were getting some pressure their way, and responded with trying to push the PJB wagon further without much substantiation. It just feels like them voting PJB to distract from the attention they were getting, and to just lynch someone that seems scummy, because they seem scummy, and not because of the 'scum intent'. I find this a bit opportunistic, and desperate for them.

You realize I was the one to call out the "pressure", right ? In the case of Kat, and if you think that we'd respond to what amounts from Xonar as an indecisive read, then that's pretty funny. I have substantiated the PJB more toDay than most others, anything I could bring up at this point would be me copy pasting my own thoughts on him over and over. I've made it clear why he's my concern toDay, if you disagree with that, then disprove my points on him and show me his town intent. If I wanted to "just lynch" someone , why not push a more inactive slot like Rockin , or a newly replaced Xonar who seems at best disorganized ?

The desperate point is just bad Ran, I don't know how you can actually believe that lol, you realize none of the people poking or talking about me have not done much of anything about it yet, up to you right now, correct ? Why would I be scared or intimidated by that as scum, Kata was non-committal if I read his stuff right or may have not even been interested if i mis-read the intent, Xonar can't make up his mind or is too interested in swinging his read on me around like bait or whatever it is, and can't even keep his vote on me to boot.

If you actually think prospective scum Ryu/Rake would be scared by the amount of interest our slot has received thus far / that desperate to seem townie, then you are severely under-selling both of us.

Are those 2 points the only things you can point out that concern you ? How do Soup and I make sense as scum based on out interactions ?

 

[Death Bear]

your going to need to explain how you go from:

Ruy, Kat and Kary are my strongest town reads. I'm also not for a PJB lynch anymore. Updating reads in a bit.

to

Scum numbah #2 is....

DEATH BEAR.

in 28 minutes.

Especially considering your post on me looks more or less thrown together. I'm not sure if you just didn't put any effort into it , or if your just pulling it out of your ass at this point.

 

[Death Bear]

/RakeOut

 

[Kataefi]

Ran can you explain your progression from SoupTown to Soupscum? If I remember correctly you had Soup as someone you wouldn't lynch. How did he become your #1 scum pick?

 

[Orboknown]

yea n even then changing your mind is not contradicting dough

also forreal kat pushed bdull? can someone link me? Ive got 10 minutes to spare

Answer me please?

I would also like to ask you and Orbo about your opinon about Nabe. Are you two for or against Nabe being lynched (and rather he claimed?) If for a claim, any reason?

Nabe's being somewhat of a *****. I want him to claim, but it's gonna take him basically being on the cusp of a lynch I suspect to get that, and I don't think that's gonna happen. Nabe's claim locks him into something, and if he's proved by CC or some other action that he's lying again, then He should be lynched.

I've absolutely pushed my own scumreads instead of looking for easy lynches. You know how easy it would've been for me to hop on a circus/rockin wagon or some other stupid crap yesterDay? I pushed Kat yesterday. KAT. You think that was me just hopping on some bull**** wagon cuz it was some easy lynch, and not me doing my own legwork?

But you've done nothing else but sit on those scumreads! what have you done today besides sit on nabe? What did you do yesterday after you voted kat before deadline? Absolutely nothing else. It's infuriating.

Xonar is town cause Soup's play before, Rake convinced me.
I think Kary/Kat are most likely to be playing as scum with Bardull and PJB.

I replaced Soup. Xonar replaced Circus.
PJB is your pick for bardull's mate? which of kary/kat are more likely to be in that pairing considering bardull and pjb have both pushed kat D1?

I want to hear from Orbo about how I went from town side of null to scum based on an iso.Orbo, talk to me. How can a read possibly change that much? If it, indeed, can change that much, then why'd you iso me? Because I'm a hot topic? Did you iso Nabe? Do you seriously think he's clean?!

You were the slightest of leans. when I went back to look at you specifically, in isolation, I decided it was more scum then town from what I was seeing.

 

[ranmaru]

Kat, I initially had Soup as an early town read. I thought his 'waiting' on Kuz was concerning, until he gave some reasoning on that. Yet, he was waiting on others too. I gave some concerns on Soup when I voted Nabe YesterDay. Soup became my number #1 pick since me not wanting to lynch PJB anymore, and also noticing more scum opportunism from him today then yesterday.

Rake, I was responding to Ruy, saying that Kary and Kat were my strongest town reads.

 

[ranmaru]

Death Bear, having a person claim would most likely lock them into being the lynch. I don't see how that isn't rushing a lynch. Now I'll drop my second point, about the 'pressure' getting to you. I will ask you, what sparked you to vote PJB in that moment? Also please quote me your biggest 'reason' for voting PJB, because at the top of my head, I don't really know what your position is.

You also haven't addressed my concerns with your ISO's that have yet to come for Soup. There is three days left.

Tell me what you think of Orbo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kary yelled at Death Bear, and this is a concerning post. The underlined and the bold contradict their intentions. He says he doesn't intend to rush the lynch yet wants PJB to claim. I mean he's eager for it. It just seems they are saying that to show that they are a good townie that is patient and will do everything they can to consider other options, yet also saying they just really want PJB at the end of the tunnel.

uhh...no?

Waiting lets more content come about and we easily could have been wrong...this is a null tell and not a contradiction to make PJB claim and still wait for more content to come about.

I

have a problem with this from both sides of the Hydra. Both say they are ISO'ing Soup to give a good concrete read on him, but I have yet to see such ISO's. To me, as I initially felt, this feels like them avoiding the Soup issue while it was building up.

You don't need to write out an ISO, an ISO is just reading everything they posted. We were not avoiding him, I made this clear that I was reading Soup as scum for quite a while on D1 when Rake was tell me he was town.

Not at all a scum tell.

I

I think this is the most concern I have for Death Bear. I think they were getting some pressure their way, and responded with trying to push the PJB wagon further without much substantiation. It just feels like them voting PJB to distract from the attention they were getting, and to just lynch someone that seems scummy, because they seem scummy, and not because of the 'scum intent'. I find this a bit opportunistic, and desperate for them.

No, if you read the vote logs, no one was voting at the time or barely anyone was. I don't want us scrambling at the last minute last yesterday, even more so when people are being inactive or just going in circles with no pressure. This is not Opportunism this is a fact no one was voting and I wanted focus on my top scum pick, hint that never changed and we've made it clear we've wanted PJB. Why Rake unvoted I don't remember and I don't see why in our Hydra QT.

As for the pressure I'm seeing a constant, "I think Death Bear is sketchy" "Death Bear is my Third Pick" "Derp Xonar hates Ruy in mafia" and I see nothing to show for that at that time nor before. Just people keeping that, I don't like this slot out there and nothing to show for it.

Derp on Xonar/Soup/Orbo.

That's what I get for trying to remember brief things I read at work. Which is fine since I've been fine with Orbo for now, and Xonar is gonna be someone I have to try and read and I'm gonna read his antagonism as scummy.

Fun.

~

Why does Ran push when always when I read him as town? :<

 

[Death Bear]

Ran you need to show any intent Soup scum would have at those point.

Your bringing a possibility that Soup could have done but not why of the many possibilities why the scum one is the most likely.

Death Bear, having a person claim would most likely lock them into being the lynch. I don't see how that isn't rushing a lynch. Now I'll drop my second point, about the 'pressure' getting to you. I will ask you, what sparked you to vote PJB in that moment? Also please quote me your biggest 'reason' for voting PJB, because at the top of my head, I don't really know what your position is.

No it doesn't, not at all.

I've not lynched VT claims in past games when I thought I messed up my read entirely. It's not rushing a lynch, since hey, we were still asking questions.

Ran there is nothing to quote, it is very clear PJB is not trying to make progress but sit on his vote for this entire day phase while in a tunnel.

You also haven't addressed my concerns with your ISO's that have yet to come for Soup. There is three days left.

Sucks.

I just read.

I haven't been talking note at all this game only thing that could count as notes would be our hydra logs, which surprise can't post.

 

[Death Bear]

Scum intent, duh. He's sitting on his scumpicks, leaving backdoors, and generally just not doing much.
death bear's town. Rake's being obvtown to me. might reread him tomorrow

Seriously.

This.

 

[Death Bear]

him pushing nabe to claim

Only when others asked first. Safety.

him admitting that he's a lazy sod

Null tell at best.

him seemingly pursuing his own picks rather than looking for an easy lynch

Nabe isn't easy? Nabe is a very safe and easy thing to pursue and push off the hider crap alone.

 

[Death Bear]

I think soup's exit to the game is highly indicative of him being scum with Nabe. It's literally 100% identical to YOUR toonami game, where he was scum with nabe. Nabe made a bad claim, and soup defended to the death for reason's nobody could understand. The difference here is that instead of losing his mind and blowing up in endgame, he replaced out.

Your relying on meta for this one.

Just because the situation is similar does not mean the intent is the same. Why is what Nabe did the same with intent? Him claiming hider as a town PR does have benefits if he is a PR.

The fact that he replaced out isn't what makes me think he's scum either.

There's plenty of legitimate reasons he could've replaced out, and that's fine, I won't condemn him for it, but look at his play beforehand. He literally made a big *** case on me, then called it garbage and left. He never gave an explanation for why nabe was town. There was literally a dogpile on me at that point in the game, and they both jumped on it as opportunistically as humanly possible.

Uhh...what?

He made a case sure, but I don't recall him calling it garbage, even then I don't think he was trying to buddy and defend his mate there, if anything I think he was stating a read simply, not indicative at that time.. Their jump on's? Not sure, I'll reread.

You assert that there's nothing I've done this game without someone else doing it first. Not only is that completely false, but the fact that you can look at Nabe's play and not see him doing exactly what you accuse me of is baffling. I'm actually stunned that people think Nabe's votes are less opportunistic than mine.

Nah, he's persue'd things on his own far more than you have.

Kary is a prime example when he did not like the 180 on the claim and not claim situation.

 

[Death Bear]

Ruy, Kat and Kary are my strongest town reads. I'm also not for a PJB lynch anymore. Updating reads in a bit.

Tell me about day 2 Kat.

Tell me about Kary's 180 today with Nabe.

 

[Death Bear]

Can vig shoot Rockin tonight Please?

 

[Death Bear]

Forgot Nabe said he translates hentai, lolololol.

 

[Orboknown]

crashboards killed my second post, but it's about ran's giant 180 wrt death bear. FoS'ing him because PJB's still scummier. So far.

 

[Death Bear]

I'd like you to answer more or less this question, Death Bear. Who aside from PJB is scum, particularly if PJB flips town?

If he is scum, I would consider Ran/Kat/you more likely.

Town flip, I would reconsider Nabe and look at Kat.

Xonar/Rockin need to post more.

 

[Death Bear]

This doesn't seem like an accusation, but more like questioning to gain a read. This doesn't line up with PJB's vote on Soup.

#266

This seems like PJB making up reasons as he goes. Now, his next point is that Soup was saying that he had 'other points', but how could PJB know he meant that from that single word, 'busted?' Simple, he didn't. He was trying to make it out to be that way.

In my #317 I ask PJB to clarify the 'phrasing' that he felt was odd coming from Soup. He responds quickly, and I realize that Soup had already responded to his accusations. Soup's response is here: #306 This shows that PJB was active in the thread, yet hadn't even followed up with his own scumhunting.

PAGES LATER... HE COMES BACK!



Underlined, he seems to be ok with the response. A few pages later. He didn't even respond to Soup's rebuttal. I mean if he's ok with it, he could at least explain how it makes sense to him. This response just seems manufactured, as if he had to drop the soup read.

He explains why he dropped Kat, but he doesn't really explain his progressed read on Soup. It's totally ok! #737

Now then.

I ask him this:



And he responds:



Notice how he wasn't actively voting Nabe due to him not 'convincing' him. He only did so because I asked him about the statement he made, which was "Nabe, convince me not to vote you". That already shows that PJB was already convinced in voting Nabe, but there is no reasoning from PJB being 'convinced'. It just seems to me that he already was set on joining the Nabe wagon, but makes the mistake of doing this without really showing his discontent with Nabe beforehand. Then he puts himself in a trap, "Oh, I wasn't convinced, I thought he was going to blow our minds, so I'mma vote nab". I mean, he only did so after I asked him, so again with the backseat scumhunting.

Ran what changed your read from here.

 

[Orboknown]

deathbear talk to me about PJB. how high is he on your scumdar?

 

[Death Bear]

My case on PJB




































































































































































































He's scum.

 

[Orboknown]

lotta empty space there.

 

[Orboknown]

requesting vote count

 

[Death Bear]

deathbear talk to me about PJB. how high is he on your scumdar?

At the moon at the top.

 

[Orboknown]

damnit ran I saw you viewing. answer to your slipup

 

[#HBC | Kary]

If he is scum, I would consider Ran/Kat/you more likely.

Town flip, I would reconsider Nabe and look at Kat.

Xonar/Rockin need to post more.

You're kidding me, right? You think Kata is scum regardless of what PJB flips... but Xonar/Rockin are fine they just need to post more.

Since you're here, did you ever answer my #1160?

 

[Death Bear]

Ahh i see Ran.

Kary, I(Rake) will try to hit your 1160 in the next 10 minutes

 

[Death Bear]

hydra quotes.

uhh...no?

Waiting lets more content come about and we easily could have been wrong...this is a null tell and not a contradiction to make PJB claim and still wait for more content to come about.

I

You don't need to write out an ISO, an ISO is just reading everything they posted. We were not avoiding him, I made this clear that I was reading Soup as scum for quite a while on D1 when Rake was tell me he was town.

Not at all a scum tell.

I

No, if you read the vote logs, no one was voting at the time or barely anyone was. I don't want us scrambling at the last minute last yesterday, even more so when people are being inactive or just going in circles with no pressure. This is not Opportunism this is a fact no one was voting and I wanted focus on my top scum pick, hint that never changed and we've made it clear we've wanted PJB. Why Rake unvoted I don't remember and I don't see why in our Hydra QT.

As for the pressure I'm seeing a constant, "I think Death Bear is sketchy" "Death Bear is my Third Pick" "Derp Xonar hates Ruy in mafia" and I see nothing to show for that at that time nor before. Just people keeping that, I don't like this slot out there and nothing to show for it.

Derp on Xonar/Soup/Orbo.

That's what I get for trying to remember brief things I read at work. Which is fine since I've been fine with Orbo for now, and Xonar is gonna be someone I have to try and read and I'm gonna read his antagonism as scummy.

Fun.

~

Why does Ran push when always when I read him as town? :<

uhh...no?

Waiting lets more content come about and we easily could have been wrong...this is a null tell and not a contradiction to make PJB claim and still wait for more content to come about.

I

You don't need to write out an ISO, an ISO is just reading everything they posted. We were not avoiding him, I made this clear that I was reading Soup as scum for quite a while on D1 when Rake was tell me he was town.

Not at all a scum tell.

I

No, if you read the vote logs, no one was voting at the time or barely anyone was. I don't want us scrambling at the last minute last yesterday, even more so when people are being inactive or just going in circles with no pressure. This is not Opportunism this is a fact no one was voting and I wanted focus on my top scum pick, hint that never changed and we've made it clear we've wanted PJB. Why Rake unvoted I don't remember and I don't see why in our Hydra QT.

As for the pressure I'm seeing a constant, "I think Death Bear is sketchy" "Death Bear is my Third Pick" "Derp Xonar hates Ruy in mafia" and I see nothing to show for that at that time nor before. Just people keeping that, I don't like this slot out there and nothing to show for it.

Derp on Xonar/Soup/Orbo.

That's what I get for trying to remember brief things I read at work. Which is fine since I've been fine with Orbo for now, and Xonar is gonna be someone I have to try and read and I'm gonna read his antagonism as scummy.

Fun.

~

Why does Ran push when always when I read him as town? :<

 

[Rockin]

Also, Rockin. About Nabe. I do see him as a question mark, but nothing more now. I feel it's better we just push for scummies, and deal with Nabe tommorow if we are out of leads.

You may be tiffed about him lying, but stop to consider if Townies may lie as well. Have you seen townies always telling the truth? Even stronger players? I understand that you may be struggling allowing Nabe to live after the role he claimed to be came up dead, but would you compromise to having him lynched before Lylo/Mylo, if we don't have leads by that point? (I'm not saying MUST LYNCH at this point, but a definite option)

Btw, what's your opinion on me, just wondering?

I've seen townies tell the truth and I've seen townies lie as well. I've even seen townies make gambles that either blow up in their face or they profit from it.
However, the type of lieing they did is totally different with what Nabe is doing. Most townies that lie about their role say Vanilla townie. It's the easiest to say and a lot less messy then going for a PR in the dark (something scum usually do). The townies still prove to be awesome townies and they're kept alive longer till they reveal their real role. YES, some still get targeted at night, and others might get lynched, but like I said: I'd take a townie I could TRUST over a shady Power Role.
I would rather him lynched ASAP then having him live long enough to where it's Mylo and then we'd have to choose between either possibly scummy person or questionable slot Nabe. I've seen it happen many times. It's not favorable. At all.

Nearly forgot to respond to this. Lol yes Rockin my dislike for your slot is nothing personal, I do actually find you scummy. Quick reminder:

• all-Day catchup D1
• starts waggon I strongly disagree with
• demands Nabe should die, goes quiet on issue.
• no other scumpicks/scumhunting

- I don't see this as being scummy considering the fact I was fairly active in that regards. If you're going to have this reasoning with me, then Nabe should also be considered lynch cause he was inactive throughout the near entire Day and just did catch up D1 post 3 or 2 days before deadline
- I hold no regrets off lynching Hilt. His actions wasn't protown. Early D2, you said you was going to question my reads on Hilt (which I've mentioned that it's been said on D1 when I led that charge). I said I'd be happy to tell you. You never asked about it, so I assumed you either forgot or just felt that it no longer matters (like my wanting to see why you thought Hilt was town).
- I've explained my issue and anger about it early Day 2. If you guys still want to be stubborn and let him live, then why beat a dead horse? It's pointless to try if everyone rather for him to claim then just lynch (which is a much better option).
- I do have scum picks, but I wasn't as confident as I was with Hilt. After reading Soup, I'm more okay with him being lynched, but I'm hesitant cause of Orbo replacing. I like to at least give him a chance to defend himself/prove his worth before wanting to lynch him. I saw talk of wanting PJB lynched, but I'm not really feeling it. I'm still trying to figure out other people and how their minds works. I'm not like some of the people here and just jump on the most convient wagon (something that I feel Ran is doing). I want my lynches to have results. Stuff to talk about and discuss the next day. It's very important that I try and see who I want lynched and why.

Can vig shoot Rockin tonight Please?

if you find me scummy, then explain why. All I'm seeing from you is null, null, null in regards to me.