Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Nabe]

With a strong stance by Gheb on the matter, it's beginning to look like the FF lynch does have legs in a read on Gheb for stonewalling it. Does anyone think Gheb is scum, though? I'm not picky on which inactive goes toDay.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Anybody who thinks frozen is the scummiest slot in the game is illiterate or full of bull****.

Gheb all but 1 or 2 of your directly benefitting are null tells.

Is there a scum reason for it? Yes, is there a town one? Also yes.

Still despite this I'm mostly indifferent which slot dies. I just want an inactive gone.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ff is at L-2

JTB is L-3

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Switch to JTB, Ryu.

Shut up, Nabe.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Alright, Laundry here and reading up.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ran, confirm?

Rake, confirm? Whichever isn't V/LA first.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

1. Nabe / Handorin - nullscum
2. Badwolf - nulltown
3. AM - nullnull
4. Dark Horse - town
6. JTB - scum
7. frozen - null
8. Kantrip - town
9. Sworddancer - scum
10. Red Ryu - nulltown
12. Foxy - town

So you have two town reads and two scum reads. Everything else sits in a noncommittal pile of nulls? Yet, you have been reading this game to the point where you feel you have the right to call everyone else illiterate/stupid/whatever ad hominem you can think of for attacking FF that you can't sort all of those nulls out? Especially us, one of the most vocal slots in the game?

This isn't grimy, how?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

This is terrible. Disgusting. Like, I don't even know where to start commenting on how ******** this post is. Do I really have to spell out to you all the advantages of being able to communicate with another player privately through a mechanic that borderline confirms us as town to each other? There's a hundred of reasons to choose "ally" but only two or three to choose betray for a townie. If you think I'm that much of an ego monster that I'm unable to even make a logically correct decision then you must be confusing me with yourself, Mr. overpriced hide. You're not going to hold the fact that I made the right decision against me and point it out as a questionable move. Especially when there were people like Swiss or frozen around that I would've just loved to be able scheming moves with from behind the scenes.

Your entire argument is based on advantage. Apparently the chance to forfeit your life does not weigh into that. Interesting.

And you base such a laughable claim one what? Is it the same cold and unbiased logic that I used to ally my counterpart despite all the risk or is it you simply taking something for granted for no reason other than allegedly being targeted by Sworddancer? My modus operandi was to question Sworddancer's claim [legit], question its bearing on alignment [legit] and weigh off his scummy play against it [very legit].
You modus operandi is to assume his ability to be legit because he targeted you [OK], then conclude that he's likely town because of something with PJB [not legit] and continue to ignore that HIS PLAY WAS SCUMMY [abso****inglutely NOT legit].

I'm not disregarding facts. I simply acknowledge that from an objective, logical point of view that the facts speak more in favor of a Sword lynch than against it. You are the one who has been disregarding half of the facts completely.

Except your "objective, logical point of view" isn't taking into account his claim that is backed up by our role and aren't taking night actions into account. This game isn't just the day phase. Like, that's the scummiest thing about your entire "point of view" right now, to me anyway. It's that you keep trying to lynch a slot based off play alone. You keep trying to throw the blinders on everyone else, saying "DISREGARD HIS CLAIM GUYS". You're lynch-hungry and are pushing a claimed protective, one of the two we know to exist, and keep saying to lynch that slot. You refuse to analyze both his claim and how that works on a scumteam with PJB, especially if PJB's role is what he claims. Why would scum have two pseudo-protectives? If that were a much worse claim and we didn't have a confirmation that he is about what he claims, I would be very much so for that lynch, but that is not the case. As a result, it's not objective or logical, it's subjective to "the hypocritical and ever-changing Mafia Philosophy of Gheb_01" and I don't ever want to follow that. I'm not lynching him.

That's because you don't know **** about me - and where your whole argument falls flat. Because you think you know my personality or anything about my decision making. You do not. Yet you base a good 50% of your points on the assumption that you do. You base points on the assumption that I cannot use simple logic. That's your flaw, not mine.

So I can disregard your meta? Cool! Cause your play is scummy as **** and meta has been the only thing holding me back from calling you flat-out scum! You damn well make sense on a PJB scumteam to me.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM who do you actually want to lynch right now?

If I had the choice, Gheb.

I do wonder with FF and JTB why FF is scummy whole JTB is a crap shoot when I agree with Gheb JTB has done worse while FF is more nullish. If he did do something scummy I don't see it with the lack of substance. When really this can easily apply to JTB who has done the same.

I remember more of JTB's posts and what I remember isn't terrible. At least he gave something, unlike FF who just posted a whole lot of fluff.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I hate how you whack folks made the Sworddancer wagon fall apart soloely based on a meaningless claim

We only have one day left until deadline and none of you have offered a good reason on why Sworddancer is supposedly town. Can we please lynch JTB at least? And not some bull**** "wagon him until he claims"-kind of crap that you always do. Just straight up lynch him.

Because he's a claimed protective and our role backs his role up. You have refused to ever explain that point, simply pointing to his play and calling us a dumbass for ignoring it. We're fully aware of his play. There's just something else there that you yourself refuse to acknowledge.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Nor has any one of you offered a good alternative solution either.

The only other push besides Sworddancer and JTB is Frozen but he is pushed by the two scummiest slots in the game and the way people pretend to have a reason to lynch him is laughable. Inactivity is the only reason to lynch him.

We did. We just don't like any of them. Except your lynch.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

You know I kinda see what you're saying Swords on a reread.

He does kinda feel detached and his reads, well really when I reads the posts Swords brought up FF isn't really making reads. He is sitting on a lot of players without really committing too much til his readlist way later.

You think this is better than JTB's posts?

EXACTLY. Cookie for Ruy!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Vig whatever reason you had to not shot better be fixed tonight with Badwolf, whoever doesn't die between FF/JTB. I'm dead serious you shoot one of those two or I will refuse to believe any vig claims past that night phase if either do not die.

Two cookies for Ruy!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Absolutely not. JTB's posts are stereotypical examples fake scumhunting. Even his last post reeks of opportunism. However that doesn't stop the fact that I think FF's content reads fake and thus very directly scummy.

Every game I play with JTB, he's like this. Every single time.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Should we get JTB and FF to both claim?

Yes.

10yeses

**** Gheb's incoming "no claims r dum gaize" post

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

No wtf, neither will claim.

**** Gheb's "no claims r dum gaize" post.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Nabe voted FF because Ruy did, and JTB isn't going to vote for himself. Sword's play in D1 is scummy, but it's improved and AM has confirmed he used a protective water ability on him. I like that wagon a lot more than the one with you on it right now. You've got your scummy *** and your personal sheep.

Why would we push a lynch without a claim? They could have a Night action that explains things later in the game, and we won't know anything about what their role does from their flip.

FF, claim please.

Cookie for Kantrip now!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

1.) JTB voted nobody by the end of Day 1, despite supporting and joining the PJB wagon. No reason for his jump on, nor his jump off. Textbook distancing.

FF also didn't vote? FF also had a long post about PJB that ultimately made no connection to the slot, just was lofty bull**** to make it appear like he was commenting on it?

2.) Frozen didn't vote anybody either but he had less posts than JTB and was less connected to the game. IIRC frozen has made 2 posts Day 1 and one of them was him basically johning about his inactivity. He did not really pretend to support the PJB wagon and just straight-up didn't get to do anything. JTB got to hop on the PJB wagon, hop off it and make a couple of points against frozen.

I don't see how less posts is a positive thing when every single post he made had zero content in it.

3.) Frozen has zero connections. The only thing you will learn from a town flip of frozen is that Sworddancer is likely scum [already the case], JTB is likely scum [already the case], Handonabe is a very questionable slot [already the case] and that Ryu has not been doing himself any favors toDay [already the case]. Frozen's town flip will give us literally nothing.

You get reads on Swords, you, and JTB. That's three. You act like JTB makse so many. You keep saying JTB is likely scum but every single point you've made is subjective and contestable, if not near-sighted or just flat-out wrong.

4.) If you're lucky, frozen is gonna flip scum. The probability for that to happen is the same as any other random pick from a pool of 11 players though.

You could say the same about JTB though. You act like he has so much contribution. Yes, it's more than FF but is it really significant enough that you can get a solidified read on him?

5.) JTB has incriminating connections to PJB. Generally, there are noticeable interconnections between PJB, JTB and Sworddancer.

what

no there isn't

stop reaching.

6.) JTB pushes a FF lynch. THIS DIRECTLY BENEFITS JTB + Sworddancer scumteam and a decent reason has not been provided as to why he pushes the FF lynch.

Sworddancer isn't scum. Certainly not scum with PJB. You seem to keep ignoring this point because you probably realize it destroys your entire argument.

7.) Sworddancer pushes a FF lynch. He has assured us that JTB is no better than frozen but he keeps on sitting on frozen's case all Day. THIS DIRECTLY BENEFITS JTB + Sworddancer scumteam and the reason for why he prefers the FF lynch over JTB has found a lot of critizism and has found little agreement.

You're pushing a JTB lynch. You have assured us that JTB is better than Frozen but you haven't given us a good reason to vote him, not even now. THIS DIRECTLY BENEFITS A GHEB + FrozenFlame scumteam and the reason for why he prefers that JTB lynch over FF has been filled with points that can be made about either, a lot of criticism, and little agreement sans his sheep who follow him blindly without considering the fact that he's wrong and scum.

8.) Handonabe pushes a FF lynch. Very questionable slot, provided no reason to join, has 0 reason to be trusted, is arguably just as much deadweight as frozen / JTB and got a virtually worthless wagon rolling. The wagon is terrible and I'm baffled by the fact that Kantrip and Ryu utterly fail at spotting it. TownSworddancer would've too.

Whatever.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

With a strong stance by Gheb on the matter, it's beginning to look like the FF lynch does have legs in a read on Gheb for stonewalling it. Does anyone think Gheb is scum, though? I'm not picky on which inactive goes toDay.

I do. His play today has been absolute ass and his play yesterday was him stonewalling a scummer Brown lynch all day with absolutely no tangible reason why, just a "I just feel it, man!" excuse he came up with midway through the day. At least Legodumbasses could put something down to say why they were always second-guessing themselves.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Caught up.

I want to lynch Gheb. Despite being given plenty of reasons why Sworddancer is probably town that destroy a lot of his argument, he refuses to acknowledge any of them and continues to push on his play alone. He wants to lynch a townie regardless of what anyone says, because in the mafia world of Gheb, he's right, and that's how things work. That alone is so grody and that's not even considering the rest of his scummy actions.

I would prefer not to lynch FF or JTB but I will hammer whatever wagon gets close enough. I think FF is scummier of the two, given what we have, but both still feel like a shot in the dark anyway because of how little they've contributed.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

First, of all Unvote, Vote: FF

Second, Gheb's bizarre defense feels a lot less genuine the second time around

Third, something about Nabe's 1361 rubs me the wrong way

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Laundry you should end FF.

Obey my commands

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote Frozen

I'll eat my hat if he actually flips scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Assuming frozen flips town this is the order at which town should lynch:

Sworddancer / JTB > AM / Nabe > Badwolf / Ryu > Dark Horse > Kantrip / Foxy

Good luck.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Laundry you should end FF.

Obey my commands

Can we lynch Gheb tomorrow then? Scumlords be scumlords and that slot needs to go.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Sword protect us, Protective 2 protect Swords. Vig hit BadWolf/JTB. Someone should investigate Hando/Nabe if they haven't already.

 

[Gova]

1. Nabe ()
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse ()
5. Gheb_01 ()
6. JTB (Foxy)
7. frozenflame751 (SWord, JTB, RR, Nabe, DH, Gheb)
8. Potassium (),
9. Sworddancer. (BW)
10. Red Ruy ()
12. Foxy the Silver Fox()

Not voting: AM, FF, K

A lynch has been reached!

frozenflame751, Mafia Light, has been lynched!

Deadline is Wednesday, June 12th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

NO MORE POSTING!

 

[Gova]

Gheb has disappeared!

Foxy has disappeared!

BadWolf's alignment has been revealed... he is town aligned!

Day 3 starts!

1. Nabe ()
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse ()
6. JTB ()
8. Potassium (),
9. Sworddancer. ()
10. Red Ruy ()

Not voting: Nabe, BW, AM, DH, JTB, K, Sword, RR

With 8 playing it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday, June 24th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

No discussion. No theories on what happened. No talking about Badwolf.

Mass claim.


JTB->Nabe->DH->Badwolf->Ruy->Dancer->Me->Kantrip.

You got problems with the order, bring those up, but leave the new elements for after the mass claim.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No objections.

 

[Kantrip]

Fine with this.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm claiming after DH, I don't care about the rest.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

BW should go last. I think DH > Nabe > JTB would be best but it's a minor preference so I won't fight for it.

 

[JTB]

I would also much like to claim after DH

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Otherwise the order is fine.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Aight, I guess I'll go first.

I'm the wind element. Each night, I have the ability to make someone's night action first in the NAR. I used it on AM N1 (Because he was the most townie out of all of the people comfortable with using this ability) and Swords N2.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

JTB before Nabe.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

JTB->Nabe is fine.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Do you want me to claim? You know I'm town.