Does the Smash Community Act Entitled?

[Ivysalt]

I have been a member of this online community officially since December but have frequented it since before then and hold fond memories of checking in on the Dojo every day until the release of Brawl. I have previously only really participated in the light-hearted corners of the site (sharing some original art or poem or what have ye) but I want to address something that has become increasingly tiresome to me...

Do you feel the Smash Community acts entitled? More so than fans of other franchises?

I feel that I personally do not have a strong affinity towards any series, nor do I hold any reverence for Sakurai. Sincerely. Sometimes I harold new announcements and sometime I dissent with them (more internally than publicly, but that does not matter) and this sort of criticism is an intrinsic right of the consumer, as are all benign opinions. But so very often I see this sort of petulance that we have no right to...something new in a Pic of the Day, for instance, as if it were owed to us (or even a Pic of the Day at all). We cannot demand Sakurai include a character (or increase or decrease representation) from a series we personally hold dear just as we cannot demand he build the game around competitive play. Does he not have a right as an artist (as I feel the community would be hard pressed to not agree that video games are indeed art) to portray a game, a fictional universe and populate it with characters, items, and physics as he is want? (That is meant rhetorically but I suppose it is a subject of debate for some.) Just as we as consumers retain the right to not buy the game if it ultimately falls outside our desires. It just kills me to see so many threads and replies with such venomous intent...are the content and happy smashers just a more silent majority?

I am rather ignorant of other concurrent video game discussions or news - mostly because I do not have time for them and because it never brought me any joy to create expectations around a game, choosing instead to be exposed to what catches my eye in good time - so I am curious if persons of the community feel that Smash fans are exceptional, or even if they act entitled at all. Thoughts?

 

[Jellyfish4102]

Yes Smash players act entitled but so does every human being on the planet. Like so many things it's a universal issue not exclusive to Smash.

 

[Moldy Clay]

Nintendo fans in general act entitled. SSB fans are an outrageous bunch, speaking in generalizations, but the entire fanbase for the company gets this way with nearly everything. Club Nintendo rewards, Virtual Console, rosters in any game, lack of specific games, etc.

I mean, look at every direct. People scream that they didn't show a new Zelda. Then they did, and people were still mad.

And fans of F-Zero, Star Fox and Metroid who think Wii U is failing because of the lack of those games.

Short answer: Of course. But nobody wants to admit it.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Yeah, they do. It's kinda odd how bad it can get. I spent all day on ENworld for DnD release stuff and it is shocking how different they behaved. Most responses I saw were from people that were genuinely happy with what they were getting. Coming back here for the PTOD and seeing all these other threads... yeah, it's really weird.

I've seen Pokemon fans get up in arms over the Pokemon Bank, And Fire Emblem fans hate a game for taking measures to attract as large an audience as possible (so said franchise can continue, oddly enough.) But the smash community... it's all about them.

I think I get why though. For years the whole scene was run by you, dictated by you, and evolved by your actions. Brawl was the thing that shook your world up and a majority of people here decided that it just wasn't for them. Just look at the Smash Invitational. So many people flamed Zero because of his tactics. They said his methods were cheap or unfair. They said he didn't deserve it. And, above all else, by their rules he'd have lost.

And that's true. Up until E3 I'm not sure there had ever been a major tournament that wasn't run by your rules. But, like Pokemon and VGC, that's something you guys are going to have to get used to. Smash is not yours. You have a lot of freedom with it, but it isn't yours. It belongs to Nintendo and they have every right to do with it what they wish. You can still run things your way and hold your tournaments, but you'll have to accept that it will be using a game that was built with a clear vision in mind by a team that is not made up of members of your community. You can make requests, you can make suggestions, but ultimately the decision falls into Sakurai's hands. And if you buy the game his team creates then you are approving of what that creation is.

Rejoice in all that is being given to you. Don't just focus on what isn't there. You're not going to get everything you want. Some of those wants are plain ludicrous or impossible. That's the nature of the beast. But I promise you, there's going to be a lot to love in these new games. I think we should be content with that. And, if I'm wrong, make sure Sakurai lnows what parts you didn't like in case he wants to make another go in the future. But wait for the full product before you do so. And do try to enjoy what you're given anyways. It may not have what you wanted, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

NOTE: THIS POST IS A GENERALIZATION BUT BY NO MEANS APPLIES TO EVERYONE. IT IS MEANT AS MORE OF A GENERAL MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY.

 

[Ussi]

Spoiled people acted entitled. And spoiled people like popular stuff as its easier to show off/grab attention.

Smash is popular
host a smashfest between your friends
???????
Profit

For large communities, its always unfair to lump everyone together for a negative quality.

 

[YoshiandToad]

All fanbases are ****s. If something is popular, it'll have an entitled fanbase.

Sonic fanbase is largely considered one of the worst on the internet. Sonic is in Smash. Starfox is also pretty bad from what I've seen. Starfox is in Smash.

Mario, DK, Pokemon, Zelda and Kid Icarus' all have overly huge fanbases filled to the brim with conflicting personalities, and opinions. These franchises are all in Smash, thus so are their fanbases.

So the conclusion is simply yes. We're ****ing terrible.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Do you feel the Smash Community acts entitled? More so than fans of other franchises?

I think the other posters covered these two questions pretty well.

...are the content and happy smashers just a more silent majority?

I would imagine that based off of what I've read, Sakurai believes the answer to this is "yes". I agree for the most part. I feel as though the wait for release is partly to blame however. The possibly possibly-not hypothetical "vocal minority" is very invested in updates and information. We eagerly await any and all news about the game. The possibly possibly-not hypothetical "silent majority" on the other hand, likely only notices the big announcements (like character reveals) and some do not actively seek out that information either, they just hear it through the grapevine. I know I personally was ecstatic about Robin's reveal, but now... I'm waiting for something else to blow me away like that before the game's release. I know most of us will settle down once the game is in our hands, as we excitedly and extensively play it. Then we will stop complaining/demanding for the most part and truly appreciate what we are given.

I would say the issue here is expectation. People only feel entitled because they see their desires as possible and in some cases, very likely for Sakurai to deliver upon. We (the community) also seem to have an issue with trying to find patterns where there aren't any, which only furthers our sometimes outlandish expectations. Remember how after the April Direct "ended" and a few seconds passed, there was the Greninja newcomer trailer? Ever since then, I've noticed that a lot of people instantly assume that at the end of any Nintendo livestream that there will be a reveal trailer of some sort. People were expecting a "surprise" trailer at the end of the Invitational tournament, people were expecting a "surprise" Ganondorf reveal at the end of Hyrule Warriors Direct (heck, I came back 10 minutes later to see people in the chatbox still convinced that there was a trailer to come lmao). People expecting a surprise trailer is kind of a paradox in itself too.

This is one of those posts where I kind of forgot what I was trying to accomplish as I typed it all up. I hope this ramble actually was worth reading to somebody and not just a waste of my time and this page's space.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yes.

Oh god yes.

 

[strawhatninja]

Smash fans have been spoiled. It is a great fighting game where everyone wants their favorite character gets in, and if they don't get in we scream and cry that the character better be in the next on or we won't buy it. Then we buy it anyway, so yes we can be irrational.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

SSB? No, people buy SSB games regardless XD

But the demand for more Nintendo games is legit

 

[Superyoshiom]

You can't just say the whole community acts entitled, that's overly judgmental. Now what we can do is pick out certain people and say they're being entitled. It's not as common here though, people only act entitled when they're disappointed.

Remember that day everyone wanted Yoshi because he had a game releasing on that day and we got no Yoshi? People expected something, got disappointed, and then felt entitled because they were so show they were getting Yoshi that day.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Yeah, they do. It's kinda odd how bad it can get. I spent all day on ENworld for DnD release stuff and it is shocking how different they behaved. Most responses I saw were from people that were genuinely happy with what they were getting. Coming back here for the PTOD and seeing all these other threads... yeah, it's really weird.

I've seen Pokemon fans get up in arms over the Pokemon Bank, And Fire Emblem fans hate a game for taking measures to attract as large an audience as possible (so said franchise can continue, oddly enough.) But the smash community... it's all about them.

I think I get why though. For years the whole scene was run by you, dictated by you, and evolved by your actions. Brawl was the thing that shook your world up and a majority of people here decided that it just wasn't for them. Just look at the Smash Invitational. So many people flamed Zero because of his tactics. They said his methods were cheap or unfair. They said he didn't deserve it. And, above all else, by their rules he'd have lost.

And that's true. Up until E3 I'm not sure there had ever been a major tournament that wasn't run by your rules. But, like Pokemon and VGC, that's something you guys are going to have to get used to. Smash is not yours. You have a lot of freedom with it, but it isn't yours. It belongs to Nintendo and they have every right to do with it what they wish. You can still run things your way and hold your tournaments, but you'll have to accept that it will be using a game that was built with a clear vision in mind by a team that is not made up of members of your community. You can make requests, you can make suggestions, but ultimately the decision falls into Sakurai's hands. And if you buy the game his team creates then you are approving of what that creation is.

Rejoice in all that is being given to you. Don't just focus on what isn't there. You're not going to get everything you want. Some of those wants are plain ludicrous or impossible. That's the nature of the beast. But I promise you, there's going to be a lot to love in these new games. I think we should be content with that. And, if I'm wrong, make sure Sakurai lnows what parts you didn't like in case he wants to make another go in the future. But wait for the full product before you do so. And do try to enjoy what you're given anyways. It may not have what you wanted, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

NOTE: THIS POST IS A GENERALIZATION BUT BY NO MEANS APPLIES TO EVERYONE. IT IS MEANT AS MORE OF A GENERAL MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY.

Oh, great, now you're making it look like we wasted $40-$60 on something we technically don't own. But I do own a copy... TIME TO MAKE A KNOCK OFF GAME. It will have the same coding, but hacked textures, and be called "King of Smash".

 

[Raijinken]

I would not say that the Smash community as a whole acts any more entitled than any other fanbase.

 

[ChikoLad]

To me, there are different types of entitled Smash fans:

-Character Entitled: Fans who are entitled over what characters they get. Applies to anyone who blames character omissions on other characters that did get in, someone who gets overly angry if their favourite character doesn't get in, or anyone who says their character is more deserving/justified than other characters without really proving it (generally meaning they fall on flimsy arguments like seniority, recent appearance count, etc, as their main points).

-Play Style Entitled: Fans who are entitled over the over arching playstyle of the game. Not necessarily professional or even competitive players.

-Nostalgically Entitled: Fans who are not willing to let the past go. They want only elements from older games, and in terms of the content of the game, like game modes and what not, they don't think there should be things like Subspace Emissary or Smash Run because "they have nothing to do with what Smash is supposed to be".

-Entitled Professionals: Professional players who forget that the games are not designed for them to make money off of through playing it, and demand that tournaments be held a certain way or that certain features be in the game.

 

[Saikyoshi]

To me, there are different types of entitled Smash fans:

-Character Entitled: Fans who are entitled over what characters they get. Applies to anyone who blames character omissions on other characters that did get in, someone who gets overly angry if their favourite character doesn't get in, or anyone who says their character is more deserving/justified than other characters without really proving it (generally meaning they fall on flimsy arguments like seniority, recent appearance count, etc, as their main points).

-Play Style Entitled: Fans who are entitled over the over arching playstyle of the game. Not necessarily professional or even competitive players.

-Nostalgically Entitled: Fans who are not willing to let the past go. They want only elements from older games, and in terms of the content of the game, like game modes and what not, they don't think there should be things like Subspace Emissary or Smash Run because "they have nothing to do with what Smash is supposed to be".

-Entitled Professionals: Professional players who forget that the games are not designed for them to make money off of through playing it, and demand that tournaments be held a certain way or that certain features be in the game.

While I mostly agree with you, I'm going to have to call you out on that last one. Seriously, cut it out with the saying that all or even a significant portion of competitive players are in it for the money. You've done this in tons of threads and I've been willing to ignore it until now.

 

[ChikoLad]

While I mostly agree with you, I'm going to have to call you out on that last one. Seriously, cut it out with the saying that all competitive players are in it as a source of income.

I didn't say all competitive players are in it for a source of income. I didn't even say all professional players are in it for a source of income (side note, but - remember kids, competitive =/= professional). And I've never said as much.

It's just that SOME professional players certainly seem to care about that aspect more than anything (I'm not even referring to big celebrity players here, the ones I know of seem well intentioned, it's more some people I've seen post things around the internet). It's not an illogical thing to be entitled over, but it's unjustified.

 

[Khao]

Yes.

Though at the same time, I'm sick of seeing people calling other fans "entitled" just because they don't like something, or because they would have liked to see something in the game and they post about it, which happens just as often, if not more.

There's a difference between demanding Sakurai to make the game to specifically please you, and expressing your hopes and desires.

 

[cmvnb3]

There's nothing wrong with being entitled about a product that you pay for. Entitlement would only be wrong when complaining about PM or other free things. If you're paying for a product then it had better be what you want it to be. Sakurai could make the game have more options to suit more players but he doesn't and that's why we're in the right to be entitled and complain about it. The newcomer choices are also garbage with many of them not even being wanted by most people. The entitlement I feel towards smash4 leaves me with quite a bit of disappointment, to say the least.

 

[BKupa666]

Sometimes there are extreme cases. But most of the time, 'entitled' is a stupid buzzword people throw around as an excuse to dismiss another user's criticism because thinking about an alternate perspective is so hard.

Case in point:

Guy One: "I think the roster would be better with these newcomers, and wish the gameplay were faster and more compelling. I think it was a mistake that development choices were made to the contrary for these reasons."

Guy Two: "Stop whining, you entitled baby!! How dare you post criticism I disagree with on a message board intended for the posting of personal thoughts and opinions?? Shut up and accept what you've been given, because that's what I'm doing."

Unfortunately, people tend to side with Guy Two and enable him by 'liking' his posts en masse because "ha ha he's so righteous and snarky" when, in all likelihood, none of them amount to anything more than "waaah, stop disliking what I like!"

 

[Renji64]

yeah smash fans are like any group. But at the same time there people who accept anything. The casual players are the worse part of the fanbase.

 

[josh bones]

To me, there are different types of entitled Smash fans:

-Character Entitled: Fans who are entitled over what characters they get. Applies to anyone who blames character omissions on other characters that did get in, someone who gets overly angry if their favourite character doesn't get in, or anyone who says their character is more deserving/justified than other characters without really proving it (generally meaning they fall on flimsy arguments like seniority, recent appearance count, etc, as their main points).

-Play Style Entitled: Fans who are entitled over the over arching playstyle of the game. Not necessarily professional or even competitive players.

-Nostalgically Entitled: Fans who are not willing to let the past go. They want only elements from older games, and in terms of the content of the game, like game modes and what not, they don't think there should be things like Subspace Emissary or Smash Run because "they have nothing to do with what Smash is supposed to be".

-Entitled Professionals: Professional players who forget that the games are not designed for them to make money off of through playing it, and demand that tournaments be held a certain way or that certain features be in the game.

I agree with you on all but the 3rd, If people don't want SSE, it's because it took up too much disk space.

 

[Turokman5896]

Yes and no. Yes, a very larger portion of the community acts entitled sometimes. But no, they are not worse than any other franchise! My experience in smashboards has been pretty great; the posters are generally thoughtful passionate and understanding.

As an example, the halo community is far worse. They raged at every detail; enemy designs, sounds, armor abilities, kill times, music, and God forbid; the battle rifle.

In my experience here; we are not as bad as some of the other communities out there.

 

[Morbi]

No community can act entitled, that is the prerogative of the individuals within the community. Despite common and fallacious belief, the individuals within the community do not make up the whole, that is merely perception.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entitled

 

[Aunt Jemima]

I love the entitled community. It would be really boring if I went to a thread and it was filled with "omg yay we are getting a new trophy wwowow !!!"

I honestly think this community would be dead without entitlement.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

To me, there are different types of entitled Smash fans:

-Character Entitled: Fans who are entitled over what characters they get. Applies to anyone who blames character omissions on other characters that did get in, someone who gets overly angry if their favourite character doesn't get in, or anyone who says their character is more deserving/justified than other characters without really proving it (generally meaning they fall on flimsy arguments like seniority, recent appearance count, etc, as their main points).

-Play Style Entitled: Fans who are entitled over the over arching playstyle of the game. Not necessarily professional or even competitive players.

-Nostalgically Entitled: Fans who are not willing to let the past go. They want only elements from older games, and in terms of the content of the game, like game modes and what not, they don't think there should be things like Subspace Emissary or Smash Run because "they have nothing to do with what Smash is supposed to be".

-Entitled Professionals: Professional players who forget that the games are not designed for them to make money off of through playing it, and demand that tournaments be held a certain way or that certain features be in the game.

Lol

You mean the money that pays less that a minimum wage job?

Players get a cut of the money based on the number of entrants. The rest of it goes towards running another tournament and host profit. Because running that **** ain't free. It is what it is.

Why do you have to be so judgemental?

 

[Senario]

Eh same with anything really. Whenever you have a dedicated fanbase who will buy your games/product they want to see things that appeal to them. After all they have given their loyalty to something and of course their money. Why would they keep supporting something if it no longer is what they want or doesn't appeal to them?

I wouldn't say they are compared to any other fanbase. More or less the same, just that arguments are concentrated at one time due to how long it takes for a smash game to come out.

Also, pro players earn less than minimum wage through streaming and don't really earn big unless they do decently well at a big tournament. And big tournaments don't happen all that often. Or often enough.

 

[The Slayer]

-Nostalgically Entitled: Fans who are not willing to let the past go. They want only elements from older games, and in terms of the content of the game, like game modes and what not, they don't think there should be things like Subspace Emissary or Smash Run because "they have nothing to do with what Smash is supposed to be"..

To be fair, not every iteration of Smash Bros is going to have the same "wow" effect for everyone, especially if some elements of the game didn't delivery very well. SSE for example was basically KSS with Smash Bros elements and some good CGI. Aside from that, gets real boring with a few sets of enemies, that god forsaken maze, and poor directioning after the first play-through (you still wouldn't believe how many friends of mines still don't have Toon Link/Jigglypuff/Wolf on their character select screen because of this mode). Not sure about Smash Run. If anything, probably doing a smart move and copying Kirby Air Ride this time.

 

[Nat Perry]

It's really simple. People want what they want and when they don't get what they want they get angry and/or upset, and maybe complain via different mediums such as pissing and moaning face-to-face or posting their grievances on the Internet.

I don't think anyone wants what they don't want out of something. I for one don't want what I don't want. This applies to many people in many areas in life, not just gamers and Smash.

And also this too

Eh same with anything really. Whenever you have a dedicated fanbase who will buy your games/product they want to see things that appeal to them. After all they have given their loyalty to something and of course their money. Why would they keep supporting something if it no longer is what they want or doesn't appeal to them?

I wouldn't say they are compared to any other fanbase. More or less the same, just that arguments are concentrated at one time due to how long it takes for a smash game to come out.

Also, pro players earn less than minimum wage through streaming and don't really earn big unless they do decently well at a big tournament. And big tournaments don't happen all that often. Or often enough.

I wouldn't buy or participate in something if I didn't like it or appeal to me. I like Smash a lot, I have certain expectations, and for me those expectations have been exceeded by what I've seen already.

If something disappoints me, I'll probably voice my opinion on what was disappointing. Depending on the degree of disappointment, I could eventually move on with an "Oh well," or maybe remain mad about it later.

Everyone is captured by some part (or many parts) of what they like. And when those part(s) are missing from what they like, or if their expectations aren't met, then it's disheartening to them.

Although I will say that constantly reading about people complaining about the game when they don't even own the game is pretty toxic, for me. That's why I'm laying off on my participation on the discussion board from here on out.

 

[κomıc]

Gamers in general feel entitled. Not just the Smash community.

 

[TheDMonroeShow]

I know people like to act like the this so called "entitlement" is a terrible thing but I wouldn't even call it that honestly.

Think about it could you imagine a community where we didn't complain? Things would never get changed, I honestly think without people complaining about brawl, smash 4 would not have nearly as many new elements that are suppose to be geared toward competitive play.

Just blindly accepting things isn't good. Granted yes people might take it to far sometimes where their not happy unless they get one specific thing and yes I'd call that entitled..but if we don't make it heard what we want..how can they even change it?

Think about how Nintendo reps asked people at e3 what they wanted changed. Could you imagine if everyone was just happy with the game as is? Nothing would change. But because people told them what they want to see we might now get a better game then we wouldn't have otherwise.

 

[BindingBlade]

Super super yes yes.

"We want this, we want that!" "Character X has to be in or Sakurai is a big fatty who should go die!" "Party Game? How dare you not tailor your game specifically to me!" "I can't buy this game! It has too few characters!" "If character x doesn't return, I'm writing a letter to Sakurai telling him off!" "We should expect it to be the best, or else!" "This picture is stupid we deserve information for Pic of the Day!" "Where's Mewtwo?" "Where's King K. Rool?" "Where's Ridley?" "I want my game before any other country!" "Sakurai is a **** for teasing us!"

That's just a quick summary of what we read everyday. And hear.

 

[Nat Perry]

I know people like to act like the this so called "entitlement" is a terrible thing but I wouldn't even call it that honestly.

Think about it could you imagine a community where we didn't complain? Things would never get changed, I honestly think without people complaining about brawl, smash 4 would not have nearly as many new elements that are suppose to be geared toward competitive play.

Just blindly accepting things isn't good. Granted yes people might take it to far sometimes where their not happy unless they get one specific thing and yes I'd call that entitled..but if we don't make it heard what we want..how can they even change it?

Think about how Nintendo reps asked people at e3 what they wanted changed. Could you imagine if everyone was just happy with the game as is? Nothing would change. But because people told them what they want to see we might now get a better game then we would have otherwise.

Yeah and there's a difference between complaining and whining. I feel like some of our complaints have been addressed in this game, such as random tripping, and the For Glory mode, as well as greater hitstun. That could be entirely Sakurai's thinking, though.

I see a lot of whining though, which is essentially complaining about things we can't change. Like, "why aren't there more alt costumes, Project M is doing it better" or "Palutena's moveset sucks" or "Kid Icarus doesn't deserve representation" or "ZOMG Ridley" and all that garbage. Needless whining, doing nothing but putting your sorry thoughts out there, not helping anyone or anything but inviting more people to sing along to your sad songs.

I mean, I have expectations. I expect the game to be a certain quality, for it to be step up, a progression. If it isn't, no doubt I'll be disappointed. I've been playing Smash for as long as I can remember, which is a long time, and the series is pretty dear to my heart. So it depends on the person.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Gamers in general feel entitled. Not just the Smash community.

Yup. A lot of gamers in the United States feel entitled to have games play a certain way, and companies like EA, Ubisoft and Activision capitalize on that. I feel like it's ruining the industry since.

A. It's free source development; game creators are freely taking their ideas without crediting the source and selling the idea back to said source.

B. Creativity becomes stagnant, and most developers, instead of exploring another facet of design, hit a plateau, and milks the franchise for what it's worth, which leads into...

C. Games not being finished, so now they can sell some DLC. It's hard to tell whether it was a time constraint, customer demand, or they are just playing it off to get into your wallet. I have personally never cared that much about it , as most of the content feels like an incomplete money grab without proper integration. Of course it's optional , but it sucks that now-a-days being able to scramble up enough income to buy a 65.00 game isn't enough. That is if you want the full experience.

This isn't to say you shouldn't be vocal about something that severely cripples the game or makes something not enjoyable, but personal quarrels are another thing, and you should always know someone is going to listen be it good or bad. Whether or not it will have any impact is if the right person heard it.

 

[ChikoLad]

To be fair, not every iteration of Smash Bros is going to have the same "wow" effect for everyone, especially if some elements of the game didn't delivery very well. SSE for example was basically KSS with Smash Bros elements and some good CGI. Aside from that, gets real boring with a few sets of enemies, that god forsaken maze, and poor directioning after the first play-through (you still wouldn't believe how many friends of mines still don't have Toon Link/Jigglypuff/Wolf on their character select screen because of this mode). Not sure about Smash Run. If anything, probably doing a smart move and copying Kirby Air Ride this time.

I was just using Subspace and Smash Run as examples as they are fairly isolated game modes that are different from Classic Smash.

 

[Nat Perry]

Expanding on this...

I've been pretty vocal about how Fire Emblem Awakening is pretty inferior to the Tellius series, usually in reply to people asking about the game or series. I mean, I started off playing Fire Emblem with the Tellius series. I've been pretty loud about how Awakening does away with so much of the strategy that the Tellius series had, being that most the maps are plain open fields and the strategy lies only with having the right units attack at the right time with sufficient weapons, not placement of units or choosing how to defend what and such. Maybe that's not the best example. But I've told people that Awakening is pretty inferior, and they should play other Fire Emblem games such as the Tellius series (even though they're expensive as hell), which are higher-quality games.

Did I dislike certain aspects of Awakening? Yes. Will I voice my complaints and hope that maybe someone in charge hears it? Yes (Smashboards isn't the best place though, haha). Will I remain bitter and whine all over the Internet about it? No. Will I tell people that there are better Fire Emblem games out there? Yes.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

What's the Tellius series?

 

[Nat Perry]

Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn (for GCN and Wii, respectively)

The thing about Awakening is that it was a step down, substance-wise. Stylistically, it nailed it all - voice acting, music, art style, etc. But as for gameplay, after playing the awesome Tellius games I couldn't help but feel let down. It took superficial steps forward and substantial steps back. Fire Emblem is known as a strategic, tactical turn-based RPG series, and Awakening did away with much of the strategic/tactical parts.

Now, this may be due to how I first played the more strategically-sound Tellius games, and this game was meant to appeal to a wider audience. Much like what Sakurai may be trying to do - appeal to a wider audience. But to me this upcoming game seems pretty substantial, and stepping in the right directions.

Not sure where to go with this, and this may not be the best example to use...I don't want a whole lot of false analogies coming out of this one.

 

[The Slayer]

I was just using Subspace and Smash Run as examples as they are fairly isolated game modes that are different from Classic Smash.

And such examples will be considered to said opinion. Some players will like new things and others won't, even after trying it. Telling them to move on from an element they're more comfortable with is (in my opinion) a very short-sighted answer to the bigger question. Should they press on old concept onto newer content? Never, but neither is newer content to be a moving point when it's not appealing to them.

 

[Ridley22]

I hate this idea that gamers and communities within them are entitled. None of this is charity. Nintendo is not making this game for free and giving it to you for free. Nintendo is continuing to make SSB games TO MAKE MONEY. You may say, "but, they make games to make people and their fans happy!" Well, of course they do. More and happier fans creates a solid and growing consumer base, which they use to MAKE MORE MONEY.

As a consumer of these products, I can express my opinion on the products. Whether the company in question accepts my criticism and adjusts their product is up to them. I should not be belittled by someone for voicing my opinion, and that's exactly what throwing around the word "entitled" does. You're saying that I should just sit back and accept what is giving to me, but what you forget is that I'm giving them something as well. This is an honest exchange of goods. Both parties can voice their opinion on the deal. Is a person "entitled" for requesting heated seats in a car? No, the consumer is just voicing their opinion of what they want in the product.

Also, Pic's of the Day are not a gift to us. Yes, Sakurai does not have to do them, but they do give him something in return. The PotD serve to get the fanbase excited and convince them to buy the game, and hopefully the current fanbase will get others excited. If someone isn't satisfied, then they should say so. If the producer wants to adjust the product based on feedback then they can.

 

[Nat Perry]

I hate this idea that gamers and communities within them are entitled. None of this is charity. Nintendo is not making this game for free and giving it to you for free. Nintendo is continuing to make SSB games TO MAKE MONEY. You may say, "but, they make games to make people and their fans happy!" Well, of course they do. More and happier fans creates a solid and growing consumer base, which they use to MAKE MORE MONEY.

As a consumer of these products, I can express my opinion on the products. Whether the company in question accepts my criticism and adjusts their product is up to them. I should not be belittled by someone for voicing my opinion, and that's exactly what throwing around the word "entitled" does. You're saying that I should just sit back and accept what is giving to me, but what you forget is that I'm giving them something as well. This is an honest exchange of goods. Both parties can voice their opinion on the deal. Is a person "entitled" for requesting heated seats in a car? No, the consumer is just voicing their opinion of what they want in the product.

Also, Pic's of the Day are not a gift to us. Yes, Sakurai does not have to do them, but they do give him something in return. The PotD serve to get the fanbase excited and convince them to buy the game, and hopefully the current fanbase will get others excited. If someone isn't satisfied, then they should say so. If the producer wants to adjust the product based on feedback then they can.

Pretty accurate stuff. We are giving them money, they are giving us a product. We are free to express our opinion on what we are given in return for our money.

I'm just not a big fan of whining about things that cannot be changed, or completely trivial matters that I bet the creators don't give a damn about. Voicing complaints on concerns that realistically can be heard and addressed such as what we've seen with tripping and hitstun and such. There was a blatant door of opportunity of that at E3, although that could be mere lipservice, but at least people are listening.

An example of whining was for Tomodachi Life. Like, really? You feel left out in a creative alternate world not entirely reflective of reality? Wow, ok, I guess I feel left out playing Portal because there's no alternate male lead. I guess I feel left out in Fire Emblem Awakening because I can't have polygamous marriages. I guess I feel left out in Zelda because I can't kill innocent NPCs, and that's so unrealistic in a game where heart-shaped containers increase my health! I guess I feel left out in Animal Crossing because my character can't have a naturally darker skin color. I guess I feel left out in Donkey Kong Country because there's no human characters in it. I guess I feel left out in Mii Maker because my hair is blue and they don't have a blue option, dammit! Let's make and sign petitions for this noble cause and make Nintendo say something about it, because this is a real damn issue in our society and it's something worth fighting for, for God's sake!

As for trivial matters...does anyone really think that they creators and developers care what we consider "deserving" of the roster? Or any dumb things we think are of substance in the game? No, they don't give a crud what they see here.