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Meta Corrin Matchup Thread

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Introduction:
Welcome to the Corrin Match Up Thread! As is the goal with other MU threads, we are here to gather information and organize it to best help the reader prepare and perform. With possible balance changes and meta development we do understand that our data will differ in time and to fix this we will go back to update older topics or flat out overhaul them as new information makes it's way here.​

Rules:
Actual Matchup Discussion won't be primarily done here. Instead we will base it off another thread and will link the thread back to this one.
Respect others! This is an open discussion and do understand that there will be a difference in points. However this does not entitle ANYONE to be rude or just downright disrespectful to one another.
And of course, no double/triple posting.

Here is an example of what our match up chart will look like. v

Character|MU Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4bayonetta:| 45-55 | FD, DH| Thread

^Table will continue as so for the sake of using the sorting arrows
***At the moment we will be Making Multiple Tables Based On Current and Future Tier List & Will Schedule From S to F, if this process proves to be more of a boon then we will go back to a more structured default style.



Matchup Charts:

Top Tier|Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4sheik:| -- | -- | Thread
:4zss:| -- | -- | Thread
:rosalina:| -- | -- | Thread

High Tier|Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4ryu:| -- | -- | Thread
:4pikachu:| -- | -- | Thread
:4sonic:| -- | -- | Thread
:4fox:| -- | -- | Thread
:4mario:| -- | -- | Thread
:4diddy:| -- | -- | Thread
:4metaknight:| -- | -- | Thread
:4villager:| -- | -- | Thread
:4cloud:| -- | -- | Thread
:4ness:| -- | -- | Thread

Mid Tier|Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4falcon:| -- | -- | Thread
:4yoshi:| -- | -- | Thread
:4luigi:| -- | -- | Thread
:4darkpit:| -- | -- | Thread
:4pit:| -- | -- | Thread
:4peach:| -- | -- | Thread
:4rob:| -- | -- | Thread
:4wario:| -- | -- | Thread
:4tlink:| -- | -- | Thread
:4lucario:| -- | -- | Thread
:4olimar:| -- | -- | Thread
:4greninja:| -- | -- | Thread
:4myfriends:| -- | -- | Thread
:4dk:| -- | -- | Thread
:4megaman:| -- | -- | Thread
:4pacman:| -- | -- | Thread
:4bowser:| -- | -- | Thread
:4robinf:| -- | -- | Thread

Low Tier|Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4feroy:| -- | -- | Thread
:4kirby:| -- | -- | Thread
:4bowserjr:| -- | -- | Thread
:4gaw:| -- | -- | Thread
:4lucas:| -- | -- | Thread
:4mewtwo:| -- | -- | Thread
:4falco:| -- | -- | Thread
:4wiifit:| -- | -- | Thread
:4shulk:| -- | -- | Thread
:4marth:| -- | -- | Thread
:4link:| -- | -- | Thread
:4duckhunt:| -- | -- | Thread
:4littlemac:| -- | -- | Thread
:4drmario:| -- | -- | Thread

Bottom Tier|Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4dedede:| -- | -- | Thread
:4lucina:| -- | -- | Thread
:4miibrawl:| -- | -- | Thread
:4charizard:| -- | -- | Thread
:4palutena:| -- | -- | Thread
:4samus:| -- | -- | Thread
:4miigun:| -- | -- | Thread
:4miisword:| -- | -- | Thread
:4ganondorf:| -- | -- | Thread
:4jigglypuff:| -- | -- | Thread
:4zelda:| -- | -- | Thread

Bonus Tier|MU Ratio|Bans|Discussion
:4bayonetta:| -- |--| Thread
vWill Provide Information Like so

:4bayonetta:
Our Strengths:
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:4bowser:
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:4bowserjr:
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:4falcon:
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:4charizard:
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:4cloud:
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:4corrin:
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:4dedede:
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:4darkpit:/:4pit:
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:4diddy:
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:4dk:
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:4drmario:
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:4duckhunt:
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:4falco:
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:4fox:
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:4ganondorf:
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:4greninja:
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:4myfriends:
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:4jigglypuff:
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:4kirby:
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:4littlemac:
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:4link:
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:4lucario:
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:4lucas:
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:4marth:/:4lucina:
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:4luigi:
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:4mario:
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:4megaman:
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:4metaknight:
Our Strengths:
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:4mewtwo:
Our Strengths:
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:4miibrawl:
Our Strengths:
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:4miigun:
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:4miisword:
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:4gaw:
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:4ness:
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:4olimar:
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:4pacman:
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:4palutena:
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:4peach:
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:4pikachu:
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:4rob:
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:4robinf:
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:rosalina:
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:4feroy:
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:4ryu:
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:4samus:
Our Strengths:
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:4sheik:
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:4shulk:
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:4sonic:
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:4tlink:
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:4villager:
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:4wario:
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:4wiifit:
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:4yoshi:
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:4zelda:
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:4zss:
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Reserved For Schedule:

Week 1: [29 February 16] - [7 March 16] :4bayonetta:
Week 2: [7 March 16] - [14 March 16] :4cloud:
Week 3: [14 March 16] - [21 March 16] :4pikachu:
Week 4: [21 March 16] - [28 March 16] :4fox:

Week 5: Phase 2- Schedule planning. If no direction we will go from S tier to F tier.
 
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Fire/Flying vs. Water/Flying...

Team Star Fox wants to fight! Team Star Fox sent out FALCO! Go! CORRIN! FALCO used Fire Bird! It's not very effective... CORRIN used Dragon Fang Shot! A critical hit! It's super effective! *HP draining noise on Falco* Team Star Fox's FALCO fainted! CORRIN gained 0 EXP. Points! Team Fire Emblem defeated Team Star Fox. :p

Hello, wacky dragon kids, the Falco boards started their ongoing matchup discussion on Corrin. So, drop in whenever you feel like a new observation is made. Link to discussion: http://smashboards.com/threads/ssb4...rrin-enter-the-dragon-and-the-phoenix.432243/.

Also, if you want to learn about the MU or just want to play with Falco players, head over here: http://smashboards.com/threads/anyone-want-to-exchange-nnids-or-friend-codes.386513/.
 
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Can we schedule Luigi for week 5? Seem to be getting really mixed opinions on that MU.

Also, this thread should probably be stickied.
 
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ChimaeraUltimo said:
Can we schedule Luigi for week 5? Seem to be getting really mixed opinions on that MU.

Also, this thread should probably be stickied.
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Considering it, but will most likely be needing an overhaul on how I approach this. Most likely by approaching other boards or just compiling notes at each tournament and sharing them as they come.
 
Skitrel

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Tasya said:
Considering it, but will most likely be needing an overhaul on how I approach this. Most likely by approaching other boards or just compiling notes at each tournament and sharing them as they come.
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Please DO invite the other boards to discuss each matchup. We're clearly lacking in total number of competitive Corrin's contributing here so having the other side to bounce ideas off of (and perhaps point out errors we make in the matchup) would be extremely useful to expanding the amount of discussion that happens for each matchup.

With that said it could just be because Bayo is so unknown right now.
 
PK Gaming

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There's plenty of decent footage of this match being played at high level play, and it doesn't look too bad for either character. Corrin has the obvious range advantage and the luxury of having a kill throw, so there's less chance of getting cheesed by Witch Time, but Bayonetta is still an explosive character.

High level footage of Corrin vs Bayonetta:
[1] & [2]
 
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PK Gaming said:
There's plenty of decent footage of this match being played at high level play, and it doesn't look too bad for either character. Corrin has the obvious range advantage and the luxury of having a kill throw, so there's less chance of getting cheesed by Witch Time, but Bayonetta is still an explosive character.

High level footage of Corrin vs Bayonetta:
[1] & [2]
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Agreed, I honestly have a hard time calling this on either side. I don't think it's too lopsided no matter who actually gets the edge.
 
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I think its time to move on to Cloud. The matchup is pretty complex so the discussion should be interesting
 
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This will be something I'll try to help out with. Since 1.1.5, I've been trying my hardest to re-learn match-ups again.
 
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Will appreciate the input, will go about making the thread after the first weekend of tournaments.
 
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Cosmos and Denti regularly face off against each other so there's a penty of footage for this matchup being played at high level play.


The short of it is that Corrin wins this day to day, but Limit absolutely has to be respected. To put it another way, Corrin can dominate for most of the match, but still lose due to limit side B (which actually happens in this set, lol) so it's hard to say who outright wins this.

Things to note:

DL is stupidly effective in neutral, and Cloud's amazing range is slight mitigated by Corrin's own solid range. Just play smart, capitalize hard whenever you knock Cloud into the air, don't let him charge limit. You'll want to approach; make use out of Corrin's excellent initial dash speed, grabs and DL whenever applicable.

He's not as free off stage as you think he is.
 
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Skitrel

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Corrin favoured. 55:45

Corrin spaces better than Cloud, frequently her aerials will outrange even his nair.

IP punishes Cloud HARD while he doesn't have a particularly good method of punishing it. So hard that moves that he has that are safe in other matchups aren't safe on Corrin.

Counter Surge stuffs his usually easy get-to-ground by using dair.

Clouds that grab a lot can cause some Corrin styles problems. It doesn't take Cloud more than 4 or 5 hits to end an entire stock frequently which MUST be respected. Panic-mode causes bad decision making that can give Cloud easy stocks.

Cloud can't land against Corrin easily. Nair>fair frametrap ruins his day.

Tipper IP on ledge snap is joke-easy. If Cloud has to use his upB without limit you should get the punish, if you miss the punish you should always convert the IP into an edge-cancelled trump which then allows you to getup and get the guaranteed tipper IP.

Corrin can powershield through his projectiles to get pins frequently.

In his favour, if he's smart he can throw uairs that counter surge doesn't work on, so he doesn't necessarily have to respect us the same way the rest of the cast do when throwing their anti air followups.

It sounds bad on paper for Cloud, but he's such a quick and hard hitting character that he can very rapidly make up for shortcomings if you're not careful, hence my belief in this not being too far in Corrin's favour. Still very doable matchup for Cloud and an opponent worth respecting.
 
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I agree with the above post. Nice insight.The top cloud main here in my country struggles a lot with IP.

My only problem in this MU is that if you get juggled I find it very difficult to land due to Clouds Uair and Corrin's meh airspeed.
 
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Are we finished with cloud? I'd like to advance discussion to the next character if possible. :4pikachu:right?
 
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I know we're not discussing Ness atm, but I might not be here when we discuss him. When you stage pick against Ness, always choose Duck Hunt if they haven't banned it. Ness's airdodge puts him into the Z-axis on some frames. Duck Hunt doesn't have a Z-axis. Basically, in Duck Hunt, Ness has more venerable frames in his airdodge, so he'll be much easier the juggle.
Other than that, in my experience, Ness is comfortable on every stage and generally either counterpicks opponents or player preference. I'd recommend picking stages that are good for you and banning stages that are bad for you. Always try for Duck Hunt.
 
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Wait, if we are done with cloud, who wins the match up by percentage?
 
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Im kinda confused here. This is supposed to be a directory, and not where the discussion goes... but the link on the fox mu table takes me to a missing page link, yet the title says the discussion is happening?

Is there fox MU stuff being discussed? If so, where?
 
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Can I just ask which top tiers Corrin is generally best and worst against?

She seems to do well against Mario, and loses to Bayonetta. That's all I know.
 
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How on Earth do we even lose to Bayonetta.

I think we have a lot of evens in that category, including people like Pikachu, Diddy Kong, Ryu, Samus, Sonic & Cloud. I have +1's one Rosalina, Mario & Mewtwo, off the top of my head. I had Bayonetta on +1, or 0 at worst since pre-patch.
 
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