Character Pros and Cons

[Louie G.]

I don't know if I'm supposed to do something like this, but I'll try it anyway.
So I made this thread to decide what certain characters have going for and against them. It's pretty simple, we can just discuss why and why not characters may make it into Smash 4.
Here's an example:

RIDLEY:

PROS:
+ Popular in the West
+ More Metroid Representation
+ More Villains

CONS:
- Hard to Develop
- Only Popular in the West

And then we can discuss additions to the list and why some of the past additions may be wrong.
Think of it like a game, maybe I'll do a Rate Their Chances of sorts eventually, a new character each day.

 

[Chandeelure]

Thanks for making this.
So...Ridley was only an example or is today's character?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

This seems nice. I do think that uniqueness should play a big part in most of these assumptions, since that seems to be the big thing this time around.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Um... ♪

Zoroark:

Pros:
- Has bigger potential for a unique playstyle than some other Pokemon, due to its Illusion ability.
-Is one of the more popular Pokemon, and starred in a movie.

Cons:
-Not the "big" Pokemon at the current time.
-Not as popular as Lucario and Mewtwo.
-Its generation has passed, so it's not as relevant anymore.
-Sakurai might not see uniqueness potential with Zoroark in the first place.

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[Louie G.]

Thanks for making this.
So...Ridley was only an example or is today's character?

There isn't a character for today yet.
I'll do something like that if the thread gets popular, but for now we can discuss any old character.
Feel free to nominate characters you want to talk about though. Then we can get the game started.

This seems nice. I do think that uniqueness should play a big part in most of these assumptions, since that seems to be the big thing this time around.

Me too, so that will hurt characters like Dixie Kong I think.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Can someone do Pichu?

 

[Louie G.]

Can someone do Pichu?

You can do Pichu.
Or if you want just nominate him.
Honestly I want to start some debates and discussions, as well as making these charts.

 

[Kenith]

I am here. I have to leave for a few minutes, but I want to make one of these' so don't start the game without me!

 

[Gunla]

Nominating Mewtwo.

And then we can discuss additions to the list and why some of the past additions may be wrong.
Think of it like a game, maybe I'll do a Rate Their Chances of sorts eventually, a new character each day.

You mean the way I rate most characters on RTC?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Mewtwo is kind of odd to talk about I think, since he has already passed Sakurai's criterias once. I don't know, maybe I just expect him too much.

 

[Gunla]

Mewtwo is kind of odd to talk about I think, since he has already passed Sakurai's criterias once. I don't know, maybe I just expect him too much.

I do it again and again to prove the naysayers wrong

 

[Arcanir]

Sounds like a lot of fun, I nominate Little Mac and Robin.

 

[Louie G.]

Mewtwo is kind of odd to talk about I think, since he has already passed Sakurai's criterias once. I don't know, maybe I just expect him too much.

I think almost everyone considers Mewtwo a shoo-in at this point.
And you're right, I don't know if we should be able to do this for veterans or not.

 

[Kenith]

I nominate Ghirahim but you already knew that...

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Predictable Slime nomination is predictable.

EDIT: Just noticed this is my 420th post... Damn, I wasted it.

 

[Kenith]

Alright I'm back. Here's my chart.

GHIRAHIM

Pros:

- Popular with fans
- Very unique
- More villains

Cons:

- Only one game
- Said game will be old news when SSB4 comes out

I can't think of anything else right now.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Stork for sm4sh pls

- -
Pros:
- Is an exclusive Yoshi Series character.
- Mayor roles in his series plot.
- Unique and refreshing moveset.
- Sells Argument (is kinda a WTF character and that sells).
- Probably some historic value.

Cons:
- 2 games.
- Yoshi characters arent that likely.

 

[Kapus]

I could have sworn we had a thread just like this at some point.

So, is there going to be any organization to this, or are we just discussing random characters?

 

[Louie G.]

I could have sworn we had a thread just like this at some point.

So, is there going to be any organization to this, or are we just discussing random characters?

As of now, it is just random characters.
I plan on organizing it once I get more publicity.

 

[Knight Dude]

I guess I'll throw in something.

Isaac

Pros

1 - Popular in the west.

2 - No one else has a moveset based on using Rock/Ground powers, possibly fits into the criteria that Sakurai and the devs want more unique characters. Rather than just the popular ones.

3 - Major character in his series.

4 - His series can offer a stage in the 3DS version, as Golden Sun is a Gameboy Advance and DS series.

5 - Originally an Assist character, he could be expanded upon. But this has it's negatives as well.(see below)

Cons

1 - Not that popular in Japan.

2 - Golden Sun is an obscure series over all.

3 - Originally an Assist character, could fall back into that role.

4 - Still has a lot of competition, both with other Assists and Western preferred characters.

 

[3Bismyname]

Little Mac

Pros
+ comes from a notable Nintendo series
+ popular in the west
+ series protagonist
+ had a revival
+ possibly has a stage already announced


Cons
- fairly limited moveset potential
- not that popular in Japan
- still has competition from other unrepped series

 

[Louie G.]

Alright, so I'd like to get this started.
So whoever wants to throw out some more nominations should do so (given that they haven't already).

 

[Knight Dude]

I nominate King K. Rool and Saki. I'm interested to hear what people think of their chances the most.

 

[3Bismyname]

Andy and how bout Dixie

 

[Chase]

I nominate Waluigi and Dillon.

 

[Kon]

Dillon
Pros:
+ unique character with a mix of rolling attacks(focus on power and not on speed -> =/= Sonic 2.0) and claw moves (+many final smash choices)
+ What the character brings to the SSB series: Wild West setting(music + stages), Tower-Defense elements, new enemies; DRW has a special genre-mix not represented in SSB yet: Action-Towerdefense
+ representation of a Nintendo owned eShop franchise that knows some support(already 2 titles and a Mii Plaza puzzle until now)
+ protagonist of his own series
(+ if Sakurai were looking for a character of an eShop game to represent eShop games in general, Dillon would be a good choice because of the moveset potential that is given by the Dillon's Rolling Western games -> Sakurai could push the eShop by putting an eShop character in SSB4)
(+ the best Nintendo eShop series to get represented in the roster: Fallblox/Pullblox may just get 1-2 stages and an assist trophy, Sakura Samurai may be a less probable choice if Takamaru were in the roster already and DRW is beside Fallblox/Pullblox the only Nintendo eShop series with 2 games already)
(+ DRW was developed by a 3rd party developer, however Nintendo has all the rights of the series. Doesn't this show the interest of Nintendo in DRW and Dillon as a character?)

Cons:
- only eShop titles -> the series gets less attention than retail-games
- still a small series (2 games only)
- lack of popularity
- could end up being an assist trophy instead of a playable character
- maybe no eShop representant at all

There are 3 pros which may not be as important as I think, therefore I've put them into brackets.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Just going to toss in Wonder Red.

Pros
+ Can bring a very unique play style to the game that other characters don't have
+ Represents a brand new IP.
+ Can represent Platinum without taking a third party slot.

Cons
- Wonderful 101 could easily be over looked based on how new it is.
- There's high possibility of him ending up as just a sticker/trophy or assist trophy if he gets into the game.
- Wonderful 101 didn't do well in terms of sales.

 

[Deleted member]

Nominate Shulk and Krystal.

EDIT : Also nominate Shantae.

 

[Tepig2000]

I nominate Paper Mario and Snorlax.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Since shulk has already been suggested, I'd like to nominate robin from fire emblem awakening please.

 

[ToothiestAura]

robin from fire emblem awakening please.

Pros:
+ Large potential for a unique moveset: Stance options involving magic and swords, all classes available.
+ Very important character in Awakening; Awakening is one of the best selling FE games in a long time.
+ Can represent mages, a role which is completely unrepresented within FE. (Has the potential to rep any class available in FE:A.)
+ Represents the Tactician. The tactician being the most important part of FE, and represents the players choices. Though there was a playable tactician in FE7, this is the first time that this much customization is available, making it further represent the player. (It's hard to explain the importance of the group's tactician if you haven't played FE.)
+ Sakurai has shown interest in customizable player-characters: Villager (and Miis if you subscribe to that rumor). He has also shown a willingness to provide alternate gender costumes (as seen with male Wii Fit Trainer, and heavily expected with a female Villager). This helps because Robin can be either gender and woud be another opportunity to do so.

Cons:
- The majority of the Smash community thinks FE getting 3 character slots is absurd. (At least the majority of the Western smash community, but I suppose that makes sense.) And...
- There are characters with a much higher demand to return (Roy and Ike) and older characters with greater demand as well (Lyn, for instance).
- There is a split between a wanted FE:A representative. Chrom support and Robin support are the two most requested, with some Lucina support as well. There are some reports of Gaius being the most popular FE:A character in Japan.



Unknown placement:
+/- Some view Chrom as the game's main character, when Chrom and Robin seem to be of equal importance to the game's story.

 

[N3ON]

Nominations? Can't people just come up with pros/cons themselves?

In any case, this is how I personally see things:
[collapse=Andy]
+ Largest unrepresented series size-wise
+ Most popular, most recognizable character from series
+ Protagonist in multiple games in a rotating cast series

- Little Japanese popularity, and for that matter little western popularity
- Series has left minimal impact for the amount of games it's had
- Little growth since Brawl
- Unlikely to make more protagonist appearances[/collapse]

[collapse=Dillon]
+ Potential for diversity
+ More than a single game (which isn't really a huge point - but I guess it's more than nothing)

- Games get minor recognition
- Lukewarm popularity, minimal Japanese popularity
- "eShop rep" is a fan-made theory which people treat as a solid point in Dillon's favour
- Games released very close to roster creation, including one after roster creation, not much time for potential "impact" of games to help chances[/collapse]

[collapse=Dixie]
+ Prime candidate for underepresented series
+ Playable multiple times, including upcoming appearance
+ Planned previously
+ Protagonist of main game in series
+ Potential for semi-clone

- Absence in several main titles
- Overall importance to the series no greater than fellow DK competitors
- Large absence from spotlight in recent years (pre-TF)[/collapse]

[collapse=Ghirahim]
+ Strong popularity at one point (for a one-shot Zelda character)
+ Large role in a game Sakurai is taking content from
+ Moveset potential

- One-time Zelda character (no precedence for inclusion if it's not some form of the main three)
- Popularity and focus have drastically past
- Unlikely to make future appearances [/collapse]

[collapse=Isaac]
+ Enduring popularity
+ One of the most impacting/largest unrepresented series remaining
+ New game in smallish series post-Brawl
+ Vast potential
(+ Large amount of pre-Brawl popularity, which is only a positive if Sakurai is basing more than just Mega Man on Brawl-era popularity, hence brackets)

- Series declining in popularity, especially in Japan
- Not protagonist in series since pre-Brawl
- Comparatively minor series[/collapse]

[collapse=King K. Rool]
+ Highly popular worldwide request
+ Prime candidate from unrepresented series
+ Appearance in most main DKC games
+ Moveset potential
+ One of the last iconic Nintendo characters

- No appearance in games Sakurai will likely be drawing the majority of DK content from
- No featured appearance in any recent game, while fellow DK candidates have made/will make major appearances[/collapse]

[collapse=Krystal]
+ Strong popularity in the west (despite what people say)
+ Decent amount of potential for diversity

- Little popularity in Japan
- Series already adequately represented size-wise
- No appearances since pre-Brawl, no new games in series bar a remake since pre-Brawl[/collapse]

[collapse=Lip]
+ Enduring fanbase, though small
+ Sakurai might've commented positively on Panel de Pon (though that's really not a huge pro)
+ Series has received several games, even if Lip wasn't a part of most of them

- Japan-only
- Minor popularity
- Nearly 20 years since last notable appearance in series
- Questionable whether Sakurai views her as retro
- Most games in her series don't feature her[/collapse]

[collapse=Little Mac]
+ Strong western popularity
+ One of the most prominent remaining unrepresented series
+ Popular and successful game post-Brawl
(+ Boxing stage could very well be a good sign)

- Non-existent Japanese popularity
- Limited potential moveset (but nothing Sakurai won't be able to work with imo)
- Other unrepresented series have a more worldwide fanbase (though I doubt that's a huge deal)[/collapse]

[collapse=Mewtwo]
+ Most popular Pokemon request
+ Among most popular Pokemon in general
+ Most requested character in general
+ Used heavily in promotion
+ Plays notable role in X&Y
+ Veteran
+ Planned for all previous Smash games

- GF insists a new new Pokemon be included, Sakurai gives priority to the Brawl veterans, and Mewtwo doesn't make it again (very unlikely)
- Sakurai doesn't want to revisit cut characters (again unlikely - especially given Sakurai comments regarding considering Mewtwo)
No cons that aren't hypothetical come to mind...[/collapse]

[collapse=Pac-Man]
+ Most popular Namco character
+ Namco's mascot and most well-known character
+ Video game icon, only Namco character truly comparable to the likes of the other third-parties (imo)
+ Frequent collaborator with Mario, strong ties to Nintendo

- Not nearly as popular as Sonic or Mega Man
- Namco might not suggest him, Sakurai might not seek him out
- No longer held in the regard he was during his heyday[/collapse]

[collapse=Palutena]
+ Highly requested worldwide
+ Strong moveset potential
+ Sakurai has given her a large focus previously, and made her the clear secondary KI character
+ Series bears her name in Japan

- Unlikely to make more appearances outside of Smash
- Series is relatively small
- Sakurai may struggle with modesty and humility towards his own creations (which Palutena technically isn't - but it wouldn't be a stretch to think Sakurai feels as if he's "adopted" the series)
(- Possible that the large, floaty and graceful female ranged character already included this time is a detriment to her chances, but not necessarily)[/collapse]

[collapse=Paper Mario]
+ Own long-running popular sub-series
+ Potential for uniqueness
+ Relatively popular pick

- Sixth Mario character is questionable
- Several other more popular Mario characters in Japan, in the west no more popular than fellow Mario candidates
- Not as easy a Mario clone as other versions of Mario[/collapse]

[collapse=Pichu]
+ Veteran
+ Easy Pikachu clone

- Sakurai didn't bother bringing him back, he wasn't even attempted (this is a big con)
- No longer relevant/important/impacting in series
- Unpopular Smash character
- Pokemon series has many other likelier characters[/collapse]

[collapse=Ridley]
+ Massive western popularity
+ One of the last iconic unplayable characters
+ High importance to underepresented series
+ Large amount of moveset potential

- No Japanese popularity
- Chance Sakurai doesn't see as feasible
- Chance Sakurai feels Ridley is more cut out for a different role[/collapse]

[collapse=Robin/Avatar]
+ Large role in recent FE games
+ Likely series staple in future FE games
+ Significantly more potential than other FE candidates
+ Represents "new era" of FE games

- Minimal popularity
- Other characters used more in promotion, more well-known, more requested[/collapse]

[collapse=Saki]
+ High moveset potential
+ Sakurai acknowledged requests (though level of requests is undetermined)
+ Most well-known and popular character in his series, game was successful enough to spawn a sequel

- Series is overall minor
- Series' fanbase is quite small
- Lukewarm popularity
- Very unlikely to receive more games in series[/collapse]

[collapse=Shantae]
+ Almost all appearances have been/will be on Nintendo consoles, strong tie to Nintendo
+ Moveset potential

- Western dev, western IP
- Little Smash demand
- Comparatively minor IP, very unlikely Sakurai would go to the effort to procure her[/collapse]

[collapse=Shulk]
+ Most popular character from post-Brawl series, including Japan
+ High potential
+ Popularity peaked during period of roster creation

- At time of roster creation, a one-game series
- Despite critical renown, small, even if loud, fanbase (much smaller than existing series and other potential inclusions)
- Minimal attention given by Nintendo[/collapse]

[collapse=Snorlax]
+ Relatively iconic
+ Popular compared to most Pokemon
+ Strong Smash history

- Outclassed by many other Pokemon candidates
- Never planned for Smash while several other first gens have been, time has largely passed for him
- No notable popularity or demand for playability
- Unlikely anyone (Sakurai or GF) would choose to spotlight him, not used prominently in promotion[/collapse]

[collapse=Takamaru]
+ Most popular retro character
+ As far as retros goes, large amount of potential and diversity
+ Huge boost with Nintendo Land acknowledgement (and Samurai Warriors doesn't hurt either)
+ Sakurai previously spoke positively of his future chances in Smash

- Main game is Japan-only
- Sakurai said he'd be included if he should get another game in his series, which he hasn't (though Sakurai didn't say this was the only way he'd be included - so it's only a minor con)[/collapse]

[collapse=Waluigi]
+ High levels of popularity worldwide
+ Well-known character
+ Large potential movepool

- Little actual importance within series
- Sixth Mario character is questionable[/collapse]

[collapse=Wonder Red]
+ High levels of potential

- Only one (largely unsuccessful) game
- Minimal to no popularity
- Game released post-roster creation
- Timeframe for reveal to coincide with game launch has passed[/collapse]

[collapse=Zoroark]
+ Extremely unique potential moveset
+ Most likely "new" Pokemon candidate
+ Strong popularity at one time

- Pokemon veterans far outclass Zoroark
- No longer of strong popularity
- No longer used heavily in promotion
- Never reached levels of Lucario/Mewtwo
- Not of the most recent gen, unlikely GF would suggest/demand[/collapse]

I didn't include points such as "they would bring a western/eastern/fantasy/superhero/sci-fi/etc. setting or content", "they would be a puzzle/tower-defense/RPG/eShop/etc. rep", being an AT/Pokeball previously or a female/villain, because while all those things are true, I doubt they actually contribute towards chances (positively or negatively) as much as they are just a result of elaborating characters once they've already been chosen.

 

[Kenith]

Ghirahim
+ Strong popularity at one point (for a one-shot Zelda character)
+ Large role in a game Sakurai is taking content from
+ Moveset potential

- One-time Zelda character (no precedence for inclusion if it's not some form of the main three)
- Popularity and focus have drastically past
- Unlikely to make future appearances

This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I think, though, unlike Midna, who's story was pretty much wrapped in that one game, I feel like Ghirahim could get another game. I'm saying this here because there's not many members here

 

[N3ON]

This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I think, though, unlike Midna, who's story was pretty much wrapped in that one game, I feel like Ghirahim could get another game. I'm saying this here because there's not many members here

It's possible, but I wouldn't say it's overly likely. Of all the characters in Zelda games, especially antagonists, few have made more than a sole appearance, let alone more than a sole major appearance. Even if he does return eventually, I doubt Sakurai went into creating this roster with that knowledge, so as far as SSB4 goes, imo he probably isn't going to treat him much differently than he did Midna last time. And she was even more popular than he was iirc.

At least that's how I see it.

 

[Kenith]

It's possible, but I wouldn't say it's overly likely. Of all the characters in Zelda games, especially antagonists, few have made more than a sole appearance, let alone more than a sole major appearance. Even if he does return eventually, I doubt Sakurai went into creating this roster with that knowledge, so as far as SSB4 goes, imo he probably isn't going to treat him much differently than he did Midna last time. And she was even more popular than he was iirc.

At least that's how I see it.

I mean, I see it like that too, but still I think he could get the same treatment as Vaati.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

N3ON I love the way you do these, if it's not too much to ask for could you do.

Goose form PilotWings 64.
Samurai Goroh
Chibi-Robo
and Meowth?

 

[BluePikmin11]

So any character, here I'll try, maybe I'll update this soon for more characters.

Prince Sable:
+Gaining cult popularity due to an English fan translation.
+Has interesting potential, with the ability to transform into a snake and frog.
+Could be picked as one of the characters to represent the Gameboy era.
-Depending on the viewpoint of the moveset, Sable may be considered a waste disc space.
-His game is still an obscure gem that Sable may not be considered.

Dr. Kawashima:
+Is a completely different character from the cast, he's already too diverse with his floating head and hands.
+A very unique character who could implement education into his moveset.
+A very popular Nintendo franchise, in the likes of Wii Fit and Animal Crossing.
-Based on a real life person, may be the very reason he won't be added.
-Licensing costs (Though apparently the cost is very low, so I don't see much problem here other than Sakurai dismissing him because the fact you have to have the license to use that character)

 

[N3ON]

I mean, I see it like that too, but still I think he could get the same treatment as Vaati.

Well, there's no problem with hoping, but until it happens I doubt Sakurai will treat it as an imminent situation.

N3ON I love the way you do these, if it's not too much to ask for could you do.

Goose form PilotWings 64.
Samurai Goroh
Chibi-Robo
and Meowth?

Thanks! I don't see why not.

[collapse=Chibi-Robo]
+ Notable amount of titles in series for an unrepresented IP
+ New games in smallish series post-Brawl

- Minimal popularity, especially in the west
- Lukewarm reception as a series
- Relatively minor series
- Outclassed by many other unrepresented IPs[/collapse]

[collapse=Chrom]
+ Most popular, well-known, and promoted character from Awakening
+ Sakurai will likely take large amounts of content from his game
+ Good potential semi-clone

- Diversity he would bring is extremely questionable, and that factor is important to Sakurai - it's the reason behind previous FE additions
- Largely expected due to his game, not due to himself as a character (meaning if not included now, unlike Lyn, unlike Roy, his popularity will likely largely vanish)
- Not the unquestionable sole choice from his game like Marth, Roy, and Ike were.

And not exactly a pro or a con, but the whole "most recent lord" thing doesn't hold as much weight as people think. With both Roy and Ike, while they were the most recent (or even future) protagonists, they were chosen by Sakurai due to the diversity they would bring, not due to being recent, and not due to IS (they merely gave suggestions). And yeah, Roy was a clone, but Sakurai favoured his use of fire compared to Lief, which would help differentiate his moveset further from Marth. So I guess it is a bit of a con, but it's not exclusive to Chrom.[/collapse]

[collapse=Dr. Kawashima]
+ Decently well-known character
+ Successful series
+ Wholly original moveset/playstyle if included (and that's a big if)

- No popularity for Smash
- Series declining in popularity
- Questionable feasibility (at least to Sakurai)
- Good possibility of never even being considered
- Based on real person (though I doubt that would matter if Sakurai actually wanted to include him)[/collapse]

[collapse=Goose]
+ Pilotwings is receiving a fair bit of attention
+ Excluding Miis, probably the best choice for a Pilotwings character

- Extremely obscure
- Similarity to Nestor likely won't play a factor to Sakurai
- No popularity
- Only appeared in one game in the series
- Series isn't character based, likely will receive a stage without an accompanying character[/collapse]

[collapse=Medusa]
+ Plays large role in her series
+ Was used regularly in Uprising promotion
+ Plausible semi-clone (though that mostly hinges on Palutena)

- Popularity took a nosedive
- Clearly not as important to the series as Palutena in Sakurai's mind
- Was relegated to supporting antagonist
- Likely won't be making any appearances outside of Smash anytime soon (as with all KI characters)
- Relatively small series[/collapse]

[collapse=Meowth]
+ Most prevalent first-gen not already a veteran
+ Relatively iconic
+ Possibly planned previously (take it with a grain of salt)
+ Sakurai continues to feature the first gen along with the later ones (though it's for a reason - not preference)

- Outclassed by both veterans and other newcomers
- No longer a very popular choice
- Unlikely GF would stress (or even care about) Meowth's inclusion
- Received no recent focus in games or promotion
- No evidence Meowth's fortunes will improve in the future[/collapse]

[collapse=Prince Sable]
+ Unique moveset potential
+ Could possibly be classified as a retro

- If he is a retro, there are still several more likely choices
- "Gameboy rep" isn't a thing, and even if it was, there are likelier choices there as well
- Japan-only
- Barely existent popularity (despite what some people say)
- One game in series, very few references/acknowledgements since[/collapse]

[collapse=Samurai Goroh]
+ Fair popularity (not great though)
+ Secondary character in a series included in Smash since the beginning

- Last game in series a decade ago, no evident plans for more
- Minimal popularity in Japan
- Relatively minor series, despite attention given
- Potential to be a clone not as high as Black Shadow[/collapse]

[collapse=Vaati]
+ Major antagonist more than once (big deal for Zelda)
+ High amount of potential
(+ Decent amount of Brawl-era popularity - which again, really only matters if Sakurai is using it for more than Mega Man)

- Popularity has decreased drastically
- No appearances since pre-Brawl
- Unlikely he'd be added now if he wasn't at his prime - he's done nothing to keep the flame going
- Other Zelda characters have as much or more in their favour

And again, not exactly a con, but it's strange he was given literally no content in Brawl.[/collapse]

 

[8-peacock-8]

Bomberman

Pros
+ Very strong ties with Nintendo.
+ Can bring a unique fighting style to the series.
+ Probably the third party that Sakurai would have the easiest time fitting into Smash bros.

Cons
- His series is basically dead.
- Konami owns him now.
- Popularity has dropped.