Character Combo Groups(RE-TEST)

[busken]

Characters in their respective pair/group combo like each other. The group/pairings were based on mainly fall speed and weight.

This list is now COMPLETE. If you have any comments on a character reply below. Thanks to @KuroganeHammer and @ san. for statistical data.

Deviates:


http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/AirSpeed
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/fallspeed
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/weight

 

[Staticky]

This is pretty cool and very helpful. Are you planning on adding the ungrouped chararacters into the list? If so, I think Mewtwo is lightweight floaty and Pikachu is lightweight with Diddy Kong-like fall speed. Yoshi is also with Dark Pit and Sonic.

 

[busken]

Diddy Kong falls about 0.20x faster which is very significant and weight in at 93 compared to Pikachu's 79. Yoshi is a very unique case. He weighs in around 104, has the highest air speed, and has fall speed very much like to Toon Link. However, Yoshi's air speed means he can DI away from alot of combos, and his double jump superarmour means you can't catch his jump in combos. Yoshi is probably going to end up in his own seperate category as nobody has attributes like him at all.

 

[MistressRemilia]

Olimar fits in Floaty & Lightweight.
Zelda also fits in Floaty & Lightweight, much like RosaLuma but not as intense.
Pac-Man fits in either floaty & midweight, or moderatly floaty midweight ( he's 35-37th in fall speed )
Meta Knight is kind of like " borderline ", he doesn't fall as fast as everything in Featherweight fastfaller, but still falls relatively fast & is his most fitting placement to me.
Brawler definitly is mediumweight with above average fall speed.
Gunner definitly is Floaty & Mediumweight like Samus.
Swordfighter, Mario & Doctor Mario should have their own group, entilted: Mediumweight with average fall speed
Pikachu is a lightweight with average fall speed, can't exactly fit in anywhere.
Peach definitly is floaty & lightweight, so is Mewtwo.
Palutena is borderline, but tends to be combo'd in the fashion of a midweight floaty.
Shulk is combo'd in a similar way as Link from my experience, and should go where Link is.

Hope that helped ! =)

 

[David Viran]

Why is Fox in the heavy weight fast fallers? He's just as light as zss and Falco.

Edit: Just saw what the * meant. Was in a hurry.

 

[san.]

Charizard and Bowser are too floaty to be in the same group as DDD.

Edit: And many other things seem to be off.

 

[busken]

Charizard and Bowser are too floaty to be in the same group as DDD.

Edit: And many other things seem to be off.

Well, your help would be appreciated...

 

[Teh Sandwich]

Link is strange, because he has a pretty slow fall speed. Yet, one of the fastest fast fall speeds.

 

[busken]

Link is strange, because he has a pretty slow fall speed. Yet, one of the fastest fast fall speeds.

This is true, but when not fastfalling, he's pretty much combo'ed like Ryu.

 

[san.]

Well, your help would be appreciated...

Hello.

ID|Char|Air Accel?|Air Deccel?|Airspeed|F23|Gravity?|Fall Speed?|Vert Friction?|Fastfall Speed?
0|Mii Brawler|0.058|0.01|1.2|0.015|0.1|1.7|0.015|2.72
1|Mii Swordfighter|0.04|0.01|0.96|0.0038|0.096|1.6|0.0038|2.56
2|Mii Gunner|0.07|0.01|1.05|0.01|0.08715|1.45|0.015|2.32
3|Mario|0.07|0.01|1.15|0.015|0.08715|1.5|0.015|2.4
4|Donkey Kong|0.05|0.01|1.15|0.015|0.08505|1.63|0.015|2.608
5|Link|0.04|0.01|0.88|0.0038|0.096|1.6|0.0038|3.04
6|Samus|0.05|0.04|0.95|0.0075|0.075|1.25|0.0075|2
7|Yoshi|0.068|0.03|1.28|0.005|0.08|1.29|0.00975|2.064
8|Kirby|0.065|0.03|0.8|0.015|0.06405|1.23|0.015|1.968
9|Fox|0.08|0.01|0.96|0.015|0.19|2.05|0.015|3.28
10|Pikachu|0.09|0.01|0.9118|0.0075|0.095|1.55|0.0075|2.48
11|Luigi|0.075|0|0.73418|0.0075|0.075|1.25|0.0075|2
12|Captain Falcon|0.065|0.01|1.1|0.0075|0.12|1.837|0.0075|2.9392
13|Ness|0.09|0.01|0.9588|0.0225|0.077|1.31|0.0225|2.096
14|Peach|0.1|0.01|0.95|0.01|0.068|1.15|0.01|1.84
15|Bowser|0.04|0.01|0.98|0.0075|0.11|1.39|0.0075|2.224
16|Zelda|0.055|0.01|1.04|0.006|0.071|1.35|0.006|2.16
17|Sheik|0.08|0.01|1.1|0.015|0.15|1.75|0.03|2.8
18|Marth|0.07|0.01|1.02|0.00375|0.075|1.58|0.00375|2.528
19|Mr. Game & Watch|0.03|0.07|1.12|0.012|0.08|1.24|0.012|1.984
20|Ganondorf|0.03|0.01|0.79|0.015|0.10784|1.65|0.015|2.64
21|Falco|0.07|0.01|0.893|0.01|0.13|1.8|0.013|2.88
22|Wario|0.08|0.04|1.21|0.04|0.092|1.61|0.006|2.576
23|Meta Knight|0.065|0.01|0.99|0.012|0.11|1.66|0.015|2.656
24|Pit|0.065|0.01|0.89|0.008|0.081|1.48|0.008|2.368
25|Zero Suit Samus|0.085|0.01|1.2|0.008|0.12|1.7|0.5|2.72
26|Olimar|0.07|0.01|0.82|0.015|0.068|1.35|0.015|2.16
27|Diddy Kong|0.05|0|0.88|0.008|0.105|1.75|0.016|2.8
28|King Dedede|0.04|0.01|0.658|0.006|0.08788|1.95|0.006|3.12
29|Ike|0.04|0.01|1.08|0.009|0.092|1.65|0.009|2.64
30|Lucario|0.07|0|1.01|0.005|0.084|1.56|0.005|2.496
31|R.O.B.|0.045|0.04|1.08|0.015|0.09|1.6|0.02|2.56
32|Toon Link|0.08|0.01|0.94|0.01|0.079|1.28|0.01|2.048
33|Charizard|0.05|0.01|0.87|0.008|0.11|1.4|0.008|2.24
34|Sonic|0.04|0.01|1.15|0.01|0.09|1.45|0.01|2.32
35|Jigglypuff|0.08|0.05|1.269|0.0375|0.05309|0.98|0.0375|1.568
36|Dr. Mario|0.07|0.01|1.15|0.015|0.08715|1.5|0.015|2.4
37|Lucina|0.07|0.01|1.02|0.00375|0.075|1.58|0.00375|2.528
38|Dark Pit|0.065|0.01|0.89|0.008|0.081|1.48|0.008|2.368
39|Rosalina|0.1|0.01|1|0.01|0.062|1.2|0.01|1.92
40|Wii Fit Trainer|0.08|0.01|0.97|0.01|0.09|1.3|0.01|2.08
41|Little Mac|0.028|0.01|1|0.0075|0.08|1.8|0.0075|2.88
42|Villager|0.05|0.01|0.94|0.01|0.078|1.32|0.01|2.112
43|Palutena|0.1|0.01|0.91|0.01|0.105|1.4|0.01|2.24
44|Robin|0.07|0.01|1|0.007|0.089|1.5|0.00375|2.4
45|Duck Hunt|0.07|0.01|1.1|0.015|0.076|1.65|0.015|2.64
46|Bowser Jr.|0.07|0.01|1.08|0.015|0.092|1.65|0.015|2.64
47|Shulk|0.04|0.01|1.06|0.009|0.085|1.5|0.009|2.4
48|Greninja|0.07|0.01|1.18|0.015|0.18|1.85|0.015|2.96
49|Pac-Man|0.07|0.01|1.04|0.015|0.072|1.35|0.015|2.16
50|Mega Man|0.1|0.01|1.1|0.05|0.1071|1.8|0.01|2.88
51|Giga Bowser|0.025|0.02|1.22|0.008|0.198|2.5|0.0075|4
52|Wario-Man|0.3|0.04|1.69|0.08|0.1071|2.2|0.006|3.08
53|Giga Mac|0.04|0.01|1.7|0.015|0.12|2.2|0.0075|3.52
54|Mega Lucario|0.07|0|1.04|0.005|0.084|1.56|0.005|2.496
55|???|0.07|0.01|1.15|0.015|0.09|1.7|0.015|2.72
56|???|0.04|0.01|0.9|0.004|0.096|1.6|0.0038|2.56
57|???|0.07|0.01|1.15|0.015|0.087|1.45|0.015|2.32

I don't know what F23 is, but it's related to horizontal airspeed somehow because it's one of the hooks for Glider/Antiglide equipment.

Floatiness is some combination of gravity and fall speed, and a bit of weight I believe.

weight values are at kuroganehammer. Characters like Pikachu for instance aren't very floaty and are susceptible to combos still.

 

[busken]

Floatiness is some combination of gravity and fall speed, and a bit of weight I believe.

weight values are at kuroganehammer. Characters like Pikachu for instance aren't very floaty and are susceptible to combos still.

Wait, is this just floatiness? How can I use this data to fix the list?

 

[san.]

Wait, is this just floatiness? How can I use this data to fix the list?

For simplicities' sake, you can just make floatiness = fall speed.

Then compare weight and fall speed rankings.