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Captain Falcon
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Before anything is changed....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ER1zpg_F4
Give him his old "Show me your moves!"
Then, make him a combo machine again.
And a projectile couldn't hurt...but we know he's too manly to think about using one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ER1zpg_F4
Give him his old "Show me your moves!"
Then, make him a combo machine again.
And a projectile couldn't hurt...but we know he's too manly to think about using one.
Claire Diviner
President
Falcon could have been a combo machine in Brawl had it not been for the pitiful reduction in hitstun. That said, they really need to restore his hitboxes too, because frankly, his Brawl incarnation was absolutely butchered.
As for projectiles, I only see that happening if they add move customizations, but I'll get to that at another time.
As for projectiles, I only see that happening if they add move customizations, but I'll get to that at another time.
Brawlman1000
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lordhelmet
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They'll almost certainly buff him, especially with proper balance support this time around.
He'll probably have a very similar moveset with bigger hitboxes and more hitstun.
Projectile is still possible, they'd have to have more move slots though. I can't see them getting rid of Punch/Raptor Boost/Falcon Kick
He'll probably have a very similar moveset with bigger hitboxes and more hitstun.
Projectile is still possible, they'd have to have more move slots though. I can't see them getting rid of Punch/Raptor Boost/Falcon Kick
Davidreamcatcha
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I think the question is -what- would Falcon have for a projectile?
And yes, I think he needs a massive buff in terms of power, as well as adding back the old fair sweetspot.
And yes, I think he needs a massive buff in terms of power, as well as adding back the old fair sweetspot.
RedGamer
Smash Ace
"thunderous falcon" isn't my signature for no reason!
make him like melee falcon.
make him like melee falcon.
Fandangox
Smash Lord
He used it once on a comic that came with the original F-Zero.
I don't remember well but I think it was simply a laser gun.
I'd like for his hitboxes to be bigger yes.
Oh and they HAVE to put this as one of his music tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLhG7ExTpbc
Lionman
Smash Champion
They should change his final move into Blue Falcon Falcon Punch
or something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcvqFVhJTEA
also, he needs more priority and higher hitboxes... dunno
or something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcvqFVhJTEA
also, he needs more priority and higher hitboxes... dunno
Claire Diviner
President
You're right. I mean, his hitboxes are only mediocre in the air, and even more poor on the ground, and without L-Canceling, and a harder-to-sweetspot Fair, his knee is nowhere near as useful as it was in Melee. They really messed up Falcon, and I am really hoping they fix this problem in Smash 4. I mean, even his kill power is nerfed, as if nerfing his hitboxes weren't bad enough.
Pachinkosam
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Captain falcon more like we need more dark shadow
DakotaBonez
The Depraved Optimist
Agreed. But is it just me or does he have a gun holster in his brawl design? (Same thing with Snakes Gun, Shieks Knife, and Ganon's Sword)
Only thing that would make him cooler maybe is Using the falcon punch in the air adds more horizontal recovery.
FARUKOOON PAAWWWWNCCHHHHH!!!!
An Insta kill from halfway cross the screen.
The intense air turbulence formed by his fist is enough to knock players off the stage clinging for their lives on the ledge.
Claire Diviner
President
That's what the SSB4 Character Discussion threads are for.
It's "Black Shadow", by the way.
lordvaati
Smash Master
basically as everyone state, the actual game has to be changed to incorporate Cap's offensive playstyle,which hurt him in the more defensively designed Brawl. the return of his Falcon kick reset would be nice too. and one the topic of Projectiles:
yeah. however, I feel he works better as a rushdown type, so he doesn't really need the blaster.
yeah. however, I feel he works better as a rushdown type, so he doesn't really need the blaster.
Lechteron
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I think we can all agree that his final smash should be changed and it should incorporate Toriko.
Falcon Kugi Punch!!! - Toriko's intimidation appears over Captain Falcon stunning all enemies for a few seconds allowing Captain Falcon to connect a Falcon Punch to the opponent of his choice. This Falcon Punch turns out to be a Falcon Kugi Punch!!! though.
Think this but every hit being a Falcon Punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqxF7gDRE0g
Falcon Kugi Punch!!! - Toriko's intimidation appears over Captain Falcon stunning all enemies for a few seconds allowing Captain Falcon to connect a Falcon Punch to the opponent of his choice. This Falcon Punch turns out to be a Falcon Kugi Punch!!! though.
Think this but every hit being a Falcon Punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqxF7gDRE0g
Fandangox
Smash Lord
No.
His Final Smash should remain as it is cause It is the only thing from his moveset that actually comes from his game.
Why change it.
His Final Smash should remain as it is cause It is the only thing from his moveset that actually comes from his game.
Why change it.
Lechteron
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Yeah, it was a joke. Obviously Toriko won't have any part in Smash Bros. and as awesome as it is it shouldn't have any part in Smash Bros. I like BSP's idea though.
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I think we can all agree Brawl Captain Falcon (aka Rick Wheeler) should die, and either Smash 64 and/or Melee Captain Falcon should be in Smash WiiU and/or Smash 3DS.
Sweet God, my nipples chaffed right off from that video. Regardless, this is pretty much the greatest Falcon Punch ever!!!
Bowserlick
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Captain Falcon is a projectile.
Just make him scarier, like his Melee incarnation.
The best added flavor to Captain Falcon would be too change Gannondorf's copycat moves.
Just make him scarier, like his Melee incarnation.
The best added flavor to Captain Falcon would be too change Gannondorf's copycat moves.
Claire Diviner
President
Agreed. It would help differentiate Falcon and make him unique for the first time since Smash 64.
That's one thing I forgot about. If the game has more shield stun, Falcon will probably be more than capable of pressuring the opponent will his fast aerials and high running speed. A projectile couldn't hurt, but it's not absolutely vital either.
Claire Diviner
President
This is true. In Brawl, his only real effective way to approach on the ground is his Dash Attack, which is very easily Shield Grabbed. As for his Falcon Kick and Raptor Boost, those are even worse, as they're clearly telegraphed (though Falcon Kick is faster), and in the case of Falcon Kick, it's knockback is so poor, he can be punished even if he lands the hit successfully. Add to the fact that they can both be Shield Grabbed, and you've got a character with one of the worst ground games in Brawl.
I'd say for Nintendo to fix that issue in Sm4sh, but I'm sure Namco-Bandai has that covered, or so I assume.
If you're talking ground game, you have to talk about his terrible hitboxes too.
As for Falcon being similar to Ganon, I think if the game's pace is sped up a bit, they'll both feel unique. Sure, they've got similar animations, but the two play totally different. Falcon should be the fast rushdown combo machine, while Ganon should be a good deal slower but hitting a lot harder.
Unless...Ganon decides to pull his sword out...and use it.
As for Falcon being similar to Ganon, I think if the game's pace is sped up a bit, they'll both feel unique. Sure, they've got similar animations, but the two play totally different. Falcon should be the fast rushdown combo machine, while Ganon should be a good deal slower but hitting a lot harder.
Unless...Ganon decides to pull his sword out...and use it.
DakotaBonez
The Depraved Optimist
Claire Diviner
President
Oh, without a doubt. His jabs and tilts are short ranged (his Up Tilt is decent at best), His smashes are telegraphed and easily punishable, and his grab range is horribly small, meaning he can hardly shield grab anyone, thus giving him poor OoS options. When his best ground options are what I listed in my last post, you know there's a problem. His running grab isn't even good, and from what I've experienced, his pivot grab seems to be slower than his normal grab, and lacks range too.
RedGamer
Smash Ace
Yes.
The momentum thing is a game engine thing. We'll just have to wait and see. Falcon as a character would benefit greatly from momentum being re-introduced (it shouldn't have left lol)
@Sol- yeah, his pivot grab is slower than the other two for some reason
Jockmaster
Smash Ace
I feel like I say this about a lot of characters, but anything close to the Melee version will be very nice. Falcon should just be a high-flying, face-smashing, combo-master sexy man.
RedGamer
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Revven
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Falcon suffered from the engine changes. That's it. If they make the game closer to Melee, he'll be fine. But if they don't, then yeah, he's still gonna suck.
Additionally, his hitboxes aren't really that small at all. Everybody in Brawl has huge hitboxes, even Falcon does. Saying you want them to be bigger makes me... facepalm. Size down everyone else's hitboxes, including Falcon's, and then he won't have stupid priority problems.
Buuuuuuut it's Sakurai so I have no faith still. Even with Namco Bandai, I really doubt they're gonna have much say.
Additionally, his hitboxes aren't really that small at all. Everybody in Brawl has huge hitboxes, even Falcon does. Saying you want them to be bigger makes me... facepalm. Size down everyone else's hitboxes, including Falcon's, and then he won't have stupid priority problems.
Buuuuuuut it's Sakurai so I have no faith still. Even with Namco Bandai, I really doubt they're gonna have much say.
Claire Diviner
President
Falcon's aerials in terms of hitbox sizes are okay, but the hitbox placement and lack of priority are what hurts his aerial game, and his aerials are much stronger than his ground game, because the hitboxes for many of his ground attacks are crap, be it range, priority or both.
I disagree. For one, his Ftilt misses some of the shorter characters completely unless you angle it down, and his Knee sweetspot is way too small. Even if the game had hitstun, it'd be extremely difficult to sweetspot with it.
But the engine change is what hurt him the most, you're right about that. If that's changed, that'll put him back on the track to being good immediately.
Good Ol' Tree
Smash Ace
Gaiz, what if Falcon actually had priority on his attacks?
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