But would you even want that many characters?

[Bambi_]

I can't make up my mind on this.

What if somehow in the future the PMBR broke down the barrier preventing them from adding however many characters they wanted, and suddenly, we could have a ridiculous number of characters: Would that legitimately improve the game? If there's 50+ characters, all of whom need to be countered effectively, wouldn't that make tournament play much harder?

In Melee you had 8ish characters. You main whoever, and you only need to know how to take down 8ish characters. That's easy. That means everyone knows every crevice of every matchup that they participate in, so games are fast and intelligently played to the hypothetical maximum. Would the new characters be worth losing all of that? Nobody can know 50+ matchups effectively as Melee players know their matchups. But at the same time, who doesn't want like 60 characters? Who doesn't want to toss on the Metroid villain or whoever the kids like these days, but how many's too many?

What do, man.

 

[Paradoxium]

50 is where i draw the line, which is why i do not want them to add bull**** like pichu and waluigi. I even saw someone requesting sandbag before. Sandbag? WTF? Id rather them add a few characters, and characters which haven't had their games represented on the roster yet.

 

[The_Altrox]

I would love it (I'm a sucker for variety) but I don't see it happening. The more characters you add, the harder it is to balance things. But if they could do it, I'd be all for it. #FilthyCasual

 

[Bambi_]

i do not want them to add bull**** like pichu

 

[Burnsy]

Pichu is a worthless rodent, deal w/ it

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

The only characters that need to/should be added are pichu and tabuu. But I guess they're going to add sami and knuckles too. Anyway, 44 characters is more than enough character variety and any more would ruin the focus of the game, which is a competitive-scene-based game that emulates melee in many respects. The competitive scene comes first.

 

[splat]

Personally, I'd rather have tons of stages than tons of characters.
I mean, most people only play a few characters - so when playing with a particular group of people you'll mostly see particular match-ups. More stages means more diversity even if every player would only play their favorite character. I don't know, a change of environment (even when there's little differences lay-out-wise) helps me keep Smash from going stale.

 

[Bambi_]

Pichu is a worthless rodent, deal w/ it

So was Bowser, so was Roy, so was Kirby, so was Ness, so was Zelda. Do you people not realize how easy it is to buff a character and give them a unique moveset? Jesus.

 

[The_Altrox]

Jesus.

Is he going to be added in 4.0? I wanna turn water into fiiiiine.

 

[Xermo]

In Melee you had 8ish characters. You main whoever, and you only need to know how to take down 8ish characters.

Or, you main whoever and expect not to place in any tourney whatsoever.

So was Bowser, so was Roy, so was Kirby, so was Ness, so was Zelda. Do you people not realize how easy it is to buff a character and give them a unique moveset? Jesus.

Buffing him doesn't seem to be the problem. Pichu is a waste of space period.

 

[MoonlapseOpethian]

Or, you main whoever and expect not to place in any tourney whatsoever.



Buffing him doesn't seem to be the problem. Pichu is a waste of space period.

Pichu can be luigified and made more unique. For some reason that ability is beyond people.
Pichu is the lightest character, and damages itself. This can be compensated with buffs, such as a better grab game, or range. Better combos/setups. The truth of the matter is, the sky is the limit, not the three foot high ceiling...

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Pichu is unique because he is a light character and has a self-damaging mechanic. As long as he is buffed to respectable levels and is unique, there's no way he's a waste of a space. Also, pichu is the only melee vet not in the game, giving him more a right to be in PM than any other character.

 

[Xermo]

"Pichu is so unique because he's just smaller, lighter, faster Pikachu with self-damaging mechanics. The PMBR can work that into a unique character instead of applying their efforts toward a much more deserving rep. Also because Melee."

Is all I'm getting from your arguments. Making him the Luigi of Pikachu doesn't stop him from being a waste of space, but just adds on the the already insane amount of pokemon in this game. Hell, I'd join the Ridley campaign if it meant we'd get a character of more merit than Pichu.
Also young link didn't return @ PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP

 

[The_Altrox]

Pichu had so much potential to be the ultimate glass cannon. They missed their mark a bit. Not saying he should be in PM, but it's possible.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Is all I'm getting from your arguments. Making him the Luigi of Pikachu doesn't stop him from being a waste of space, but just adds on the the already insane amount of pokemon in this game. Hell, I'd join the Ridley campaign if it meant we'd get a character of more merit than Pichu.
Also young link didn't return @ PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP

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What qualifies deserving? What qualifies as "merit?" As this mod is supposed to be a spiritual successor to melee, being in melee qualifies more than anything. Young link is in PM under the guise of Toon Link. Also, aside from who he is, pichu already has a unique mechanic built into his design, not something that many other clone characters have. Pichu's potential to be the ultimate glass cannon is a mark of pichu's merit by itself.

 

[Xermo]

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What qualifies deserving? What qualifies as "merit?" As this mod is supposed to be a spiritual successor to melee, being in melee qualifies more than anything. Young link is in PM under the guise of Toon Link. Also, aside from who he is, pichu already has a unique mechanic built into his design, not something that many other clone characters have. Pichu's potential to be the ultimate glass cannon is a mark of pichu's merit by itself.

So, the inflation of the already highest repped series with the return of a clone that can harm himself justifies a position into the game? If that's the case, Young Link isn't Toon Link. Young Link can't hurricane spin and has a boomerang that functions much more differently, and would serve as the middle ground for the Links. In this circumstance, we could give Tink a more WW inspired moveset and justify all 3 Links being present because why not.
Pichu's potential to be the ultimate glass canon isn't merit, as any new rep the PMBR implements can take on these qualities and become just that. Simply because pichu had that mechanic first doesn't mean he should return. Being in Melee doesn't warrant a return either. The game may be called Project M, but the PMBR has already made it clear they aren't focused on making it melee's carbon copy.
Oh and btw, this is coming from someone who prefers Pichu over Pika. It's simply that he'd be a waste of space.

 

[Burnsy]

oh yea, cuz one more lighting fast and tiny knat with real kill power is all we need in this game. Those are the most fun characters to fight, right?

I dont care how luigified or wariofied you make him. If there really is a way to make Pichu good without him being one of the most frustrating characters to fight, then I'm not aware of it.

 

[Generically Epic]

If the characters were of good quality and not broken, I wouldn't be opposed to them having a lot of characters. There is a really good Waluigi PSA out there, and I'd be down for that only because it is of high quality.
However, this isn't mugen.

 

[Empyrean]

Another thread degenerating into a Pichu ****fest..

To answer the question, no, I would not want too many characters. 4 seems like a very reasonable number. Anything more and it'd be too much. Not to mention all the balancing patches that may be necessary with the inclusion of more characters. So for the sake of the PMBR and seeing this game get a final release, no.

 

[Saito]

We're sitting at 41 right now right?

50 is a really high number considering how different a lot of the matchups can be.
50 also has a lot of variety and there is very likely that every player has a character that they really feel at home with.

50 is as high as it should go. Not saying that it has to be 50, but it definitely should not go past 50.

Another thread degenerating into a Pichu ****fest..

This happens because people like to b8. Even if it's unintentional b8 it's still b8.

If someone's going to announce an opinion, expect to have someone else announce their opinion.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

I think the game could use a Dan Hibiki-esque character to lighten the mood-- everybody's so legit now. On top of that, Pichu is the only melee vet left with no P:M representation, and there's tons of potential to retool Pichu's moveset to give him some pretty cool and unique tricks. Pichu's light weight and self damage are pretty original attributes that no one else in the cast can really claim.

Just because Pichu was lame in melee doesn't mean that it can't be fun in P:M.

Sure, you could put another character in it's place, but it would take a LOT more time and work than adding Pichu-- I'd say that Pichu is the safest and easiest choice for a clone character by far out of the options we've got.

Repost of some ideas I had for whoever's interested...

Spoiler

Pichu's Thunder Jolt (B), Agility (up B) and Thunder (down B) would be his most revamped moves.

Thunder jolt would have less range, but would be able to paralyze opponents like ZSS's Paralyzer. Pichu will take damage from using this move, but it can give you time to escape if you're in a bind.

Agility would feature three zips instead of two (each zip would be slightly shorter than one of Pika's). The move still does no damage.

Thunder would instead become Discharge. Normally, Discharge would be a VERY weak move. The more Pichu runs around (again, dashdancing FTW), the more electricity it will build up. When fully charged, Pichu will become electrified-- anything it touches will take damage, and Pichu will take damage itself until it uses Discharge. Discharge would look similar to Pika's Thunder except for one thing-- it travels horizontally! Instead of coming from the clouds, Pichu will discharge a gigantic thunderbolt from it's own body that would shoot straight ahead, decimating all that it touches! The question is: can Pichu live long enough to use it?

Also, I had a really silly idea. If Pichu got a final smash, what if it was Destiny Bond? A 20-second timer would appear above Pichu's head, and if it is KO'd before that timer runs out, whoever landed the killing blow will be instantly defeated! Imagine the salt this would cause in Team Matches! :kappa:

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that Pichu can't use destiny bond. Would still be hilarious though.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

I also think 50 is quite a good number, maybe the first few of the Clone Character Thread and maybe someone like Pichu if a majority is found... I think a few more would be good but dont overdo it (dont add characters as sandbag or such :D)

 

[Fortress]

How about not going past forty-one?

 

[Paradoxium]

My views on Pichu

People use Roy as an example for bringing back Pichu, which i think is dumb. Roy was already different from Marth. Marth was all about zoning, Roy was about juggles. Even their combo's worked differently, Pm just expanded the playstyle he already.

"But they can do that for Pichu too!" Do you guys even know what Pichu's playstyle was? It was run away, attempt to get your opponent over the edge when opponent way over extends. The only thing Pichu was good at was gimping, but even Pikachu does a way better job at that.

Yea i know what your thinking, Kirby was just as bad. Well the new Kirby plays nothing like the old Kirby did, you might as well just pretend that melee kirby didn't exist. Why would you want Pichu back if his playstyle is going to resemble nothing from melee? Wouldn't you just rather have different character? (and plus, Kirby was already in Brawl, and he is an iconic nintendo character, he is guaranteed in the game unlike pichu)

I dont think it would be a wise idea to make pichu faster and stronger than pikachu, i think that is a formula for disaster. Pikachu is very fast and strong as it is, why would you want a more polarizing pikachu?

You guys thought Lucario's brawl aura system was bad, and you praise Pichu's self damaging mechanic by saying that it is "unique"

I would rather them add a brand new character. One who's game has not been represented in the roster yet. In my opinion that would be unique. Eh whatever, didn't really explain anything that well, lol. To sum it up, Pichu has a playstyle that none of you want to see back, no point in modifying his moveset because the end result is going to be a different playstyle, Pichu. Really? Pichu?

And if any of you dissagree i will be happy to bop you on doplphin netplay, and show you who you should be playing instead of pichu.

Pikachu!





Final thoughts:
If they add him cool, if not who cares. I just realized this thread is turning into a Pichu war

 

[9bit]

I would not want to see more than a couple more characters added. There's already an insane number of match-ups and play-styles represented in PM and I think it's already stretching the limits of a Smash game.

Yes it would be amazing to see something like Skull Kid wearing Majora's Mask as a character, but the Zelda franchise already has enough characters anyway. And definitely no more Pokemon.

 

[Shadic]

Please just bring this back to the Clone Character Discussion Thread.