The way he responded sounds like someone who's genuinely upset that people aren't listening to him, as opposed to feigning that kind of reaction. If it didn't seem legitimate, i'd have him as a scum read.
Yeah, I'm kinda starting to agree with Glyph being scummy... I thought about it a lot during programming and while I think the shot is null (feel free to disagree on that), his play since my first read list has been very cocky and slightly inactive. I'l l fully re-analyze the slot N1 and post my analysis on him early D2, but I still think Zaixl is a good lynch for today; I see little to no townie intent coming from his slot and his posts make very little logical sense.
pot calls the kettle black
I can't fathom Zaixl this game. It's gross as **** but at the same time I can't even fathom that happening from a scum perspective. I can't see him playing this way if he were in a position to be directed. I can't understand his motives whatsoever in the first place, so reading him is a crapshoot to me. Maybe I figure it out in time, maybe I don't, but I think it's still just as likely he flips town as he doesn't.
That push is likely a 2 or 3? I don't get why it seems so grody to you, it reads typical Ruy to me. You call it lazy but he was one of the first people truly pushing Moosy.
Uh, when I asked you this I had already posted about why Ryu changed my mind lol, maybe you missed it in the ocean of posts, but I was actually asking because i had the intent pretty low down too and i wanted to see if someone who didn't really have a care about Ryu's slot felt any different.
Why do you dislike Bardull?
Basically everything you've said is gold but the main bit is that he literally said he had soup as a point of contention yet he literally did jack all with that, like it smelt entirely of bardull bringing up someone you mentioned in order to try and gain ground on Soup and as soon as he saw you weren't into it he just instantly backed off liek somehow soup had become persona non gratus to pursue even though he had just stated he had him there and yet: poof. Plus, how does he at that point decide that literally two of the easiest people to hate and two of the people recieveing hate are suddenly more important than soup. If bardull had any soup interest to begin with i dont think he even floats it out to you, he pursues it. Bardull did the same thing as scum just a game ago: he'd have maybe a read or a general direction but then he'd just throw a name to the wind and see what happened.
And now suddenly he looks like he's back on soup when it's the cool thing to do ? Really grody treatment of soup's slot alone is worth the scum read. i know you see it kind of differently but trying to throw the soup grenade into our pot of soup is 100% something scum bardull does. Plus its so easy to hate soup, like I think Soup is literally the easiest person to hate in a DGame just because of how he might react to something and people just love to eat the souphate for breakfast lunch and dinner
And thus proving FML's point is Moosy.
It hurts the soul a little bit, doesn't it ?
I honestly am not getting this. I'm understanding GLyph's shot is anti-town, I do not see how it being anti-town means that he is town and not scum. I do not comprehend the concept that anti-town can not be done by scum. If you're not town-reading Glyph, then I don't comprehend how people can be so upset that some players are not happy with Glyph's content, and want him to explain gaps in his argument.
The central problem is that we keep saying Glyph's play doesn't line up with his explanation for his shot, but people keep saying the shot alone makes him not-scum, then claim that we're saying the shot alone is why he's scum. It's not the case, we just really don't believe you can clear a person for the shot alone. People did just swallow his explanation because, as it's been stated again and again, he lied in it, and people didn't seem to care. Well I do care and I want him to explain why he lied and I'm not comfortable town-reading him until he explains it and I'm not comfortable letting that **** slide. If you're all so comfortable with it and willing to go as far as to lynch the players who aren't, then goddamn you're just opening yourself up to being played real easily. A player does this you push them hard. For all standards a strong town should slap Glyph and not let him get away with dragging us along on this.
Like, on another level, this **** happens because Dgames refuses to be strong enough to deal with it.
When I played Bingo maf i was the only cop, I didnt wanna get killed so i made myself pretty antitowny, I was helping town the whole time but i did it in a way that wasn't necessarily good guy Rake, and i did it because as the only PR I wanted scum to keep me around cause I was "easy lynch " bait and a easy person to throw hate on for how i had posted
Nothing being said or being done particularly interests me. Laundry's points about Maven are decent, but that's about it. Ryu's wall trade with Moosy read genuine (even if I skimmed it) and I still think he's town. I've been feeling less and less about FML due to the fact they never came back with their Ryu read and have somehow dissappeared in the recent Day(s). He hyped it up so well only for it to never really get anywhere, and I don't think either Rake/Orbo would just drop all pressure like that. I've retracted my town-read and put them down to more a scum lean, because I think I was too quick to just be content with them without actually looking at what they were doing; call it lazy on my part.
Moosy's weird and I don't understand him half of the time, but I still like him in the sense that I think he's relatively harmless. His points about me and Glyph might not be the wisest, but the intention I get out of his most of his posts is that he is trying to be progressive and he is attempting to scumhunt and make sure his reads aren't stagnant.
I don't know where Spak went but I really hope he starts to post more. I would think at the very least he would be chiming in on the Glyph talk going on even if he still has school. My read hasn't changed though, and you could put Mallo in the same category.
Zaixl is still a great lynch in my eyes and that's my second vote or the one I would make during deadline. I don't know why people got soft on him because he self-voted and I see a lot of people just writing him off as Vinyl 2.0 or fodder, but that still doesn't make his actions piss poor and worth lynching for. Badwolf, Vinyl, and all the other 'bad players' have had situations where they were scum and did something scummy, but people just let it go for unknown reasons. I'm not keen on that and I think Zaixl was playing to his strength of being a noobie and I still believe that self-vote was an admission of guilt, and that he was just trying to end all conversation so he didn't have to lead trails to his partners. I haven't thought of Zaixl/J as partners and have been reading them more-so individually, but we'll see. I think Zaixl has a very very high chance of flipping scum still and if he did, I would look at the people who just decided to give him a free pass.
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I really didn't make it seem all that big from my perspective, I kept saying it was a gut read reaction to ryu's outright laziness at the time as well as what i knew of his meta. I thought I made those points clear because those were my ammo on him at the time, and at that time i did feel rather strongly but I also knew that to get anyting out of him I was gonna have to do more than ask nicely which is exactly why i voted him, if you saw my reads list before and my response to moosey you'll see I found ryu's back up to his points acceptable although I disagreed with them. And seeing Ryu lately I'm honestly pretty happy I changed my reaad because Ryu looks like he's finally got his fett in the game from so many people prodding the bear.
I also do apologize to the thread for my (Rake) side's inactivity, I know it's no excuse but I'm moving out of my current place and into a newer, bigger apartment with my buddy and its been a mad dash for me to set up times to see the leasing agents, fill out the paperwork, get hydro and everything set up and I've been really swamped with it because with my 6:30 - 3:30 - 4:00 schedule i have to do alot of things in the last half hour of a place being open or during my work day thus dragging my day out. Like today I had to go finalize the leasing papers with my buddy at 8:30, I had to go an hour out of the way from my usual drive and that pushed my entire day back by that full hour so i only got home all of 3 hours ago.
I'm gonna be ramping up activity up until next tues when I move out of my current place completely, then Sat for comicon plus early move in plus move in check up with the landlady, then sunday too to get the couches and all my buddies stuff moved in.
Like i said, its no excuse but I'm trying to be here when i can, it's just busy now
