Basic question on pivot grab

[DungeonMaster]

So I switched controllers recently (2 weeks ago), the price of gamecube adapter being insane and my old controller rusting (yes rusting!) meant it was time to switch.
I started with Wii mote (not as bad as it sounds really) and I'm now using a Wii U pro, which I have nothing but compliments for, a great, modern controller. Just fantastic battery life, feel and oozes quality. I love this thing to death and simply won't go back.

Except for one thing. My pivot grab. I have never been a pro at this move even with the GC, it would fail on me with a predictable frequency in the heat of battle but it was a low failure rate (like 5-10%). Now with some combination of wi-fi, new controller, new game, etc... It's failing a lot (like 50% or more, if it's tight match, I don't even try).

I want to get that nice "sliding" grab animation and it's rough. I more often than not get the pivot tilt kick. How do you guys input your pivot grab?
I must have been doing this at the very edge of timing/input before and I've been experimenting with inputs that are less than horizontal, like angled up -> angled down.

Any advice aside from "get better" ?

 

[Rohins]

You're getting tilts because you're holding the back input too long. Back + grab will give you a slide, down back + grab will give you no slide. Dash attack cancel pivot grab will give you the biggest slide.

 

[DungeonMaster]

So it's the damn back input that's off... thanks!
Will practice tonight...
Dash attack cancelled pivot grab - which dash cancel? I presume the initial backwards dash, but asking to be sure about precise input.

 

[Rohins]

To do the dash attack cancel pivot grab press A slightly before you press back + grab. You'll know when you get the timing down, you slide a bit further than a normal pivot grab.

 

[GdspdUblkprzdnt]

You're getting tilts because you're holding the back input too long. Back + grab will give you a slide, down back + grab will give you no slide. Dash attack cancel pivot grab will give you the biggest slide.

Woah, I was unaware you could pivot a boost grab, that's crazy. Going to try that out ASAP.

 

[BlazingEmperor]

Erm this may come as a dumb question but which one is back, assuming im facing right? Is it holding left to long after turning?

I can do infinite pivot grabs in practice but I always mess up during a match, resulting in a pivot kick.

 

[Rohins]

Erm this may come as a dumb question but which one is back, assuming im facing right? Is it holding left to long after turning?

I can do infinite pivot grabs in practice but I always mess up during a match, resulting in a pivot kick.

Yes, if you're running / dashing right you'd be holding left too long to cause the ftilt.

 

[DungeonMaster]

That definitely was it Rohins, thanks!
Carefully iddling around with it more there are a lot of posdsible end locations to this slide animation. Is the grab area increased/decreased by the length of the slide? This is hard to tell...