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KeroKeroppi

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Moogs said "If someone created the thread anew with a legitimate, well-thought-out argument and people discussed it seriously" than he'd let it be.
So thats exactly what we'll do.
Behind all the constant spam on the original "ban pika" thread, i think somewhere in there people actually did have strong feelings about the manner. Personally, i wanted to see where that thread was going. So i'll go first.

I disagree with the idea of banning pikachu. In my opinion, banning pika is like the elimination of tornados on hyrule or the absence of wind on dreamland(i know some people arent opposed to those ideas either but whatever). It takes away from the true nature of the game. Look, every chracter as their positive and negative aspects. and yes, pikachu does have alot more positive aspects than negative ones, but hes not totally unbeatable. I am not opposed to the idea of having tornements specifically organized around not using pikachu, or even any of the top tier characters (i.e. low tier beatdown). But to ban pika, or any character from all competitive play just seems a little wrong to me.

Dont get to attatched to talking about the banning of pika. we can discuss the banning of any characters/levels here. The title is simply used to attract attention and finish the discussian that took place on the original "ban pika" thread. Begin!
 

cheeseball341

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Yeah, the cast is way too small to be banning characters lol.
The stage selection is also too small for bans but that didn't stop the banning of perfectly good stages like ZEBES.

Also on topic, I am proban for pikachu, kirby, link and ness. They are all boring a phuck to play against.
 

KeroKeroppi

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The stage selection is also too small for bans but that didn't stop the banning of perfectly good stages like ZEBES.

Also on topic, I am proban for pikachu, kirby, link and ness. They are all boring a phuck to play against.
i get pika, kirby, and link. especially link.. but why ness?

link is really gay to play against, yeah

i also think we should ban kongo, i hate that stage
Totally agree with banning congo. It's not fun to play at all. way to dark. and the music
****ing sucks. i have mixed feelings about the floor.

I think we should legalize Sector Z O__o.
 

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because 1der is horrid and lets himself get d-air'd one million times in a row

lol kero i think you need to reassess your arguments, especially the one about kongo music
 

KeroKeroppi

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LOL. I dont have any legitimate arguments for the banning of congo.. i just find it unenjoyable to play ^__^



EDIT: What does 1der mean?
 

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^yea that's pretty much my argument

the best part of link's projectiles is the dull sense of shame you force upon someone when they're playing friendlies and recover purely because the link player tossed them like 7 bombs to get them back

real men would reject the bombs and fall to their deaths
 

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ROFL , Why everything that you think is gay or not ok, should be banned?
I love Smash Brother. Nothing should be banned, only the thinking of banning xD
 

asianaussie

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ricky bro, most people here i kidding

i hope

ok but seriously, ontopic, i can't find a solid argument to ban pika, since the barwl ban was only just pushed in, and mk was dominating tournaments, restricting character diversity, reducing general player morale and also had no theorycrafted bad matchups - the only thing pika has is the last one, and perhaps the first (idk about the US)

that aside, the game is different, punishment is heavy here and most characters can keep the pressure on and kill pika - even though pika has a good up-b to escape pressure, his techroll is horrid and his jab needs to commit to a jabgrab (i guess this is merely a sidepoint) to be usable as disruption

i would honestly ban kongo and reinstate zebes before banning any character in this game
 

KeroKeroppi

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Dont forget about his dash attack. even if that attack does hit (which is rare), you better hope the opponet has a ****load of damage to avoid getting your *** beat.
 

asianaussie

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his dash attack is something you can choose not to use, while techrolls are fairly vital in most characters' games (sadly)

it's not a horrible move anyway
 

KeroKeroppi

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I only use pikas dash attack in two situations.
one: after throwing them near zero, i run to up smash them. When ever i messup, i dash attack them. not the end of the world.
two: the opponet is on a lower level of the stage than i am. i go to do that think where immidiately after you fall of the edge you do an arial attack (not to sure what the name of that little manuver is..). When i mess up on that, i dash attack the ledge and i get punished hardcore. End of the world.

Basically, i only use it by accident lol. maybee your right about it not being totally terrible, i wouldent know because i verry verry rarely use in battle.
 

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you shouldnt upsmash after a fthrow, it doesnt link unless under very special circumstances and you wont be able to continue a combo on heavy characters even if it does link. your best option is to uair or if on a heavy character run up, shield in front of them, chase the tech roll and regrab.
 

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well, if you do techchase a u-smash after a 0% f-throw you can go u-tilt > u-smash > whatever on heavier characters like yoshi

but point is, you shouldn't be dash attacking that early
 

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ITT: I am terrible against this character, so lets ban him.
I know you guys are joking at least I know aa is, but this thread should not have been brought back.
 

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I don't think there will ever be consensus on banning any character. You'd probably get a better discussion out of unbanning stages or going the Japanese approach of Dreamland only. Speaking of Dreamland only, whatever happened to the stage-specific tier list?
 

cyoonit123

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suprisingly i dont mind kongo... im just not good at the stage.

tbh the only reason i would like to ban pikachu is because the pikachus i play, all they do is camp and gimp then they brag about how good they are... -___-'' if you banned camping then id be perfectly happy.
 

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banning camping is stupid. the point of playing ssb is usually to win and since its often the optimal strategy to camp, banning camping would be like banning falcons uair, just because its good.

banning bragging would be better.
 

Sangoku

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The other thread was a troll joke to begin with. Nobody seriously involved in the competitive community wants to ban pika. At least I don't think so.
 
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