Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010

[Zankoku]

Most up-to-date rankings, no details: (last updated July 13, 2010)

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This is merely an interpretation of tournament results, organized into ranks. Your opinions don't matter when it comes to character placement, only tournament placings do.

If you want to see the old thread post, go here:
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/oldrankings.txt

If you want to contribute tournament results, please provide the following:
MAKE SURE IT WAS AT LEAST 13 PEOPLE IN THE TOURNAMENT
Number of entrants
Entry fee
Where it was (what state it was in, or something)
Top 8, with character main for each of the top 8
Link to tournament page or results page

Rules
1. If your join date is less than a month away from the last time this list was updated, I'm going to ignore you unless it's a tournament results post.
2. No making up theories of favoritism, etc. I'm collecting data. It's easiest to do so in the Tournament Results board, and as a result smaller local tourneys that don't get directly reported here will fall in through the cracks. No, I'm not intentionally avoiding every tournament BUM has entered and won.
3. No commenting on "X should be higher" or "Y should be lower." This is based entirely on data, not what you think is right. I'm considering warning you people for spam, since giving infractions for outright stupidity is not available.
4. I CONTROL THE WAY YOU PERCEIVE THE METAGAME HAHAHA DANCE PUPPETS

Character Rankings List
Last Updated: Monday, March 1, 2010

The math behind the list is as follows:
Base values are
1 for top eight
4 for top four
7 for second
10 for first
Base values are then multiplied by number of entrants and entry fee, then divided by 160. This helps account for larger tournaments being more relevant than smaller ones. If two characters are listed, both gain half the points. On that note, PLEASE ONLY PROVIDE MAINS. I don't care if you randomly picked Captain Falcon for a random game in your first round if you spent the rest of the tournament as Meta Knight.

Format on detailed list is as follows:
# Character (character placements) - points - previous rank #
Lime means the character moved up in rank
Red means the character moved down in rank
Yellow means the character did something silly, like go up in rank but down in category, or vice versa
Cyan means the character was previously unranked
Green means the character is Luigi

Tournament Reference List is here:
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments2.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-1.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-2.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-3.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-4.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-5.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-6.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-7.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-8.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2009-9.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2010-1.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2010-2.txt
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments-2010-3.txt

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DETAILS
S Rank «Uber» 44.90%
1 Meta Knight (213 top8, 143 top4, 94 top2, 100 wins, 550 total) - 4344.2 (+160.6)
2 Snake (143 top8, 88 top4, 33 top2, 67 wins, 331 total) - 2204.2 (+81.9)

A Rank «Overused» 24.11%
3 Diddy Kong (83 top8, 44 top4, 25 top2, 22 wins, 174 total) - 1281.3 (+19.3)
4 Falco (69 top8, 49 top4, 12 top2, 17 wins, 147 total) - 765.2 (+56.8) - 5
5 Marth (64 top8, 38 top4, 15 top2, 15 wins, 132 total) - 760.6 (-202.2) - 4
6 Wario (50 top8, 36 top4, 20 top2, 15 wins, 121 total) - 708.4 (+75.1)

B Rank «Standard» 13.50%
7 Ice Climbers (60 top8, 23 top4, 22 top2, 12 wins, 117 total) - 504.1 (-56.7)
8 King Dedede (63 top8, 34 top4, 16 top2, 12 wins, 125 total) - 420.2 (+11.7)
9 Olimar (38 top8, 27 top4, 10 top2, 6 wins, 81 total) - 416.8 (+43.3)
10 Lucario (42 top8, 29 top4, 5 top2, 4 wins, 80 total) - 357.1 (+31.4)
11 Toon Link (30 top8, 11 top4, 6 top2, 5 wins, 52 total) - 271.3 (+21.5) - C Rank

C Rank «Borderline» 12.03%
12 Mr. Game & Watch (43 top8, 17 top4, 10 top2, 4 wins, 74 total) - 227.4 (+4.7)
13 Zero Suit Samus (27 top8, 16 top4, 2 top2, 4 wins, 220.4 total) - 206.2 (+14.2)
14 Kirby (24 top8, 16 top4, 9 top2, 2 wins, 51 total) - 205.5 (+9.0)
15 ROB (36 top8, 16 top4, 12 top2, 1 win, 65 total) - 192.2 (+30.9) - 17
16 Peach (30 top8, 15 top4, 6 top2, 2 wins, 53 total) - 173.9 (+16.2) - 18
17 Wolf (20 top8, 5 top4, 9 top2, 5 wins, 165.1 total) - 165.1 (+12.3) - 19
18 Donkey Kong (19 top8, 16 top4, 4 top2, 6 wins, 45 total) - 163.9 (-3.5) - 16
19 Pikachu (17 top8, 8 top4, 9 top2, 4 wins, 38 total) - 143.4 (-28.7) - 15
20 Luigi (22 top8, 7 top4, 2 top2, 5 wins, 36 total) - 142.2 (+17.2)
21 Pit (31 top8, 5 top4, 3 top2, 3 wins, 42 total) - 121.0 (+1.8) - D Rank

D Rank «Underused» 3.90%
22 Fox (17 top8, 12 top4, 4 top2, 2 wins, 35 total) - 111.6 (+12.2)
23 Sonic (24 top8, 4 top4, 3 top2, 4 wins, 35 total) - 110.0 (+16.8)
24 Ike (16 top8, 11 top4, 3 top2, 5 wins, 35 total) - 95.3 (+13.7)
25 Pokémon Trainer (9 top8, 3 top4, 3 top2, 2 wins, 17 total) - 91.4 (+29.8) - 27
26 Zelda/Sheik (15 top8, 9 top4, 4 top2, 28 total) - 85.4 (+13.3) - 25 :shiek:
27 Ness (18 top8, 5 top4, 3 top2, 26 total) - 75.3 (+4.1) - 26

E Rank «Never Used» 1.13%
28 Mario (16 top8, 3 top4, 2 top2, 1 win, 22 total) - 51.4 (-2.0) - 29
29 Yoshi (18 top8, 4 top4, 1 top2, 23 total) - 49.4 (-2.7) - 30
30 Captain Falcon (3 top8, 1 top4, 2 wins, 6 total) - 32.8 (+/-0) - 31
31 Ganondorf (11 top8, 2 top4, 1 top2, 2 wins, 16 total) - 31.9 (-0.3) - 32

F Rank «Pardon the dust»
32 Bowser (7 top8, 2 top4, 1 top2, 1 win, 11 total) - 21.4 (+7.0) - 33
33 Samus (5 top8, 5 top4, 10 total) - 16.9 (+3.3) - 34
34 Link (8 top8, 1 top4, 1 top2, 1 win, 11 total) - 13.4 (-47.2) - 28, D Rank
35 Lucas (6 top8, 1 top4, 7 total) - 6.0 (-5.9)
36 Jigglypuff (2 top8, 2 top4, 4 total) - 2.9 (+/-0)




Past Lists
Second Half 2009
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: Diddy Kong, Marth, Falco, Ice Climbers
B: Wario, King Dedede, Olimar, Lucario
C: Kirby, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Pikachu, Mr. Game & Watch, Toon Link, Donkey Kong
D: Pit, Peach, Ike, Sonic, Wolf, Luigi, Ness, Pokémon Trainer, Zelda/Sheik, Fox
E: Link, Yoshi, Bowser, Mario, Ganondorf, Lucas, Samus, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff

August-September 2009
S: Meta Knight
A: Snake, Diddy Kong, Falco, Marth, Ice Climebrs
B: King Dedede, Wario, Pikachu
C: Olimar, Kirby, Lucario, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Mr. Game & Watch, Sonic, Donkey Kong, Toon Link
D: Link, Pit, Ike, Luigi, Zelda/Sheik, Pokémon Trainer, Peach, Wolf
E: Lucas, Yoshi, Bowser, Fox, Samus, Ganondorf, Mario, Ness, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon

Summer 2009
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: Diddy Kong, Falco, Ice Climbers, King Dedede, Marth, Wario
B: ROB, Olimar, Pikachu, Kirby, Zero Suit Samus, Mr. Game & Watch, Toon Link
C: Donkey Kong, Lucario, Sonic, Ness, Fox, Pit, Pokémon Trainer, Luigi, Peach
D: Zelda/Sheik, Ike, Wolf, Bowser, Yoshi
E: Link, Lucas, Samus, Mario, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff

May-June 2009
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: Diddy Kong, Falco, Ice Climbers, King Dedede, Marth, Wario, Pikachu
B: Olimar, Toon Link, ROB, Mr. Game & Watch, Pokémon Trainer, Zero Suit Samus, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Peach, Lucario
C: Fox, Ness, Luigi, Wolf
D: Zelda/Sheik, Sonic, Yoshi, Pit, Ike, Mario, Lucas, Samus
E: Link, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Bowser

Spring 2009
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Wario, Marth
B: Falco, Ice Climbers, Pikachu, Olimar, Mr. Game & Watch, ROB, Pit, Pokémon Trainer, Toon Link, Donkey Kong
C: Lucario, Kirby, Peach, Sonic, Zero Suit Samus, Luigi, Zelda/Sheik, Fox
D: Wolf, Lucas, Yoshi, Ike
E: Ness, Jigglypuff, Mario, Link, Ganondorf, Samus, Bowser, Captain Falcon

February/March 2009
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: King Dedede, Wario, Diddy Kong, Mr. Game & Watch, Marth
B: ROB, Falco, Ice Climbers, Zero Suit Samus, Kirby, Olimar, Lucario, Luigi, Donkey Kong
C: Pit, Pikachu, Pokémon Trainer, Sonic, Fox, Peach, Lucas, Toon Link
D: Wolf, Samus, Zelda/Sheik, Yoshi, Ness
E: Ike, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Link, Mario, Bowser, Captain Falcon

Winter 2008/2009
S: Meta Knight
A: Snake, Falco
B: Wario, King Dedede, Mr. Game & Watch, Diddy Kong, Marth
C: Ice Climbers, Kirby, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Lucario, Olimar, Donkey Kong
D: (Toon Link, Luigi), Pikachu, Wolf, Sonic, Pit, (Fox, Peach), Pokémon Trainer, Zelda/Sheik, Ness, Ike
E: Lucas, Captain Falcon, Samus, (Yoshi, Mario), Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link

Fall 2008
S: Meta Knight
A: Snake, King Dedede
B: (Falco, Marth), (Mr. Game & Watch, Wario), Lucario, (Diddy Kong, Olimar), ROB
C: Kirby, (Wolf, Peach), Pikachu, (Ice Climbers, Donkey Kong), Sonic, Zero Suit Samus
D: (Bowser, Zelda/Sheik, Toon Link, Ike, Luigi, Pit), Fox
E: (Ness, Yoshi, Mario), Pokémon Trainer, (Link, Captain Falcon), (Lucas, Samus), Jigglypuff, Ganondorf

August/September 2008
*: Meta Knight
S: Snake
A: (Wario, King Dedede), (Falco, Mr. Game & Watch)
B: Marth, (Lucario, ROB, Diddy Kong), (Kirby, Pikachu, Olimar, Peach)
C: Wolf, (Pit, Donkey Kong), Ice Climbers
D: Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, (Pokémon Trainer, Sonic, Luigi, Zelda/Sheik), Fox, Mario
E: (Bowser, Sheik, Yoshi, Zelda, Link, Ike, Ness), Samus, (Jigglypuff, Lucas), (Ganondorf, Captain Falcon)

July/August 2008
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: Wario, (King Dedede, Falco, Mr. Game & Watch), Marth
B: (Lucario, ROB, Diddy Kong), (Donkey Kong, Kirby)
C: (Peach, Pikachu), (Olimar, Wolf), (Ice Climbers, Pit), Zero Suit Samus
D: Fox, Ike, (Sonic, Lucas, Pokémon Trainer, ZeldaSheik)
E: (Toon Link, Jigglypuff, Mario, Zelda), (Luigi, Sheik, Link, Ness, Bowser, Yoshi, Samus), (Ganondorf, Captain Falcon)

June/July 2008
S: Snake, Meta Knight
A: King Dedede; Mr. Game & Watch, Marth, Wario
B: Falco, ROB, Lucario, Donkey Kong, Olimar
C: Ice Climbers, Wolf, Diddy Kong, Kirby, Fox, Pit
D: Zero Suit Samus, Peach, Pikachu; Sonic, Ike, Lucas, Toon Link, Ness, Zelda, Bowser, Jigglypuff, Samus, Pokémon Trainer, SheikZelda, Luigi, Sheik, Mario, Link
E: Yoshi; Captain Falcon; Ganondorf

May/June 2008
S: Snake, Meta Knight, King Dedede
A: Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario, Lucario, ROB, Falco, Olimar
B: Kirby, Donkey Kong, Wolf, Fox, Ice Climbers, Pit
C: Zero Suit Samus, Peach, Ness, Diddy Kong, Toon Link, Pikachu, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Zelda
D: Samus, Bowser, Ike, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer
E: Lucas, Sonic, Ganondorf, SheikZelda, Mario, Link
U: Sheik, Yoshi



FAQ
Q: Why is Luigi green?
A: The man in green stays in green.

Q: Why isn't X Character ranked higher?
A: Because X Character hasn't placed well or often enough to rank any higher.

Q: Was Tom here?
A: No.

Q: Why isn't X tournament listed?
A: If it's not a MK banned tournament and it has a link, I probably just missed it. Check my TXT files (linked above) and if it's not there then just post it up and I'll add it in for the next update.

Q: How often is the list updated?
A: The no-details list will be updated about once a week. The Big List will be updated each month.

 

[Ørion]

Um.....isn't that what a tier list is??

 

[Miller]

Starting this Saturday, could you possible start using "Smash bros at Nikos" tournament results. And we're no where near scrub level, we can compete with the people at C3's tournament (wait did you use the C3s tournament in Toronto, or the other one?)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=148705

And thanks for making this, It had to be done

 

[Zankoku]

Yeah, and no. It's all a bunch of statistics I put together to build a rankings list, then separated into categories that can be seen as "tiers." None of it is based on my opinion at all, though.

 

[Miller]

Yeah, and no. It's all a bunch of statistics I put together to build a rankings list, then separated into categories that can be seen as "tiers." None of it is based on my opinion at all, though.

Just a question, are tournament placings around 50% of what decides the tier list, and the other 50% based on facts about each character, etc

 

[Zankoku]

I have no idea what the Smash Back Room actually does to determine their tier lists. I just figured that since I'm not really a top-placing player, it'd be best to keep my stuff as objective as possible.

 

[Vegeta214]

The first two ranks are pretty accurate to the general concensus of what characters are the best, but of course that accuracy deteriorates towards the bottom of the list. This will become more and more reliable as tournaments progress, so keep up the good work.

 

[Ørion]

Oh ok, I see what your saying, so this is soley based on tournaments as opposed to the SBR who probably use other factors, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Ban3]

i dont think u should catogorize pokemon trainer as one char...o well
nvm stupid me

 

[Miller]

i dont think u should catogorize pokemon trainer as one char...o well

How could Ankoku do that, how could anyone, PT cannot be played with one pokemon, sooner or later, you'll eventually be all 3 of them, which means using all three.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

The top 3 look pretty accurate right now :D

I'll be curious to see where this is in a few months, though.

 

[Miller]

The top 3 look pretty accurate right now :D

I'll be curious to see where this is in a few months, though.

Nice edit Samurai >_<

But what you said in your post before you edited it, had the same basis on what I said about pokemon trainer.

 

[butlersmashking]

Informative post. It feels kinda bad to see diddy all the way down there, but it makes sense because i was the only diddy at smashtastrophe 2.

oh ya..and a good snake owns hardcore

 

[Vegeta214]

Informative post. It feels kinda bad to see diddy all the way down there, but it makes sense because i was the only diddy at smashtastrophe 2.

oh ya..and a good snake owns hardcore

Yeah, Diddy and more importantly, Falco and Zelda among others are underrepresented and will soon move up on this list.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

It's not perfect, but it's as good as we're going to get right now. I wonder how this will progress.

 

[Percon]

Starting this Saturday, could you possible start using "Smash bros at Nikos" tournament results.

>_>

But yeah, this list seems pretty accurate, IMO. (then again, how can it be inaccurate?)

 

[axiomnightmare]

Holy crap at Metaknight and Snake. From the point totals, those two are just way out of every other characters league.

 

[Miller]

>_>

But yeah, this list seems pretty accurate, IMO. (then again, how can it be inaccurate?)

Sorry Max, Its only because Niko lost the results to the latest one

 

[edde]

hmmm interesting list... good effort finding that, but i wouldnt classify it as a tier list, could be a referential list but not good enough since it states which character has th ebest matchup against any who

i feel sorry for yoshi

 

[plural]

Hm, this could look pretty good with some more tournaments...

Wonder what it'll look like in a few months..

 

[Xiivi]

Great list thus far, it's sure to get better as you consistently update it with tournament results.

 

[Percon]

lol what powerbar?

Just kidding. Just watch your step next time.

 

[rabbitgod]

This is interesting, however do you think it would be possible to take into account how many people actually play the character to begin with? Because if there are 100 metaknights and 1 yoshi, of course many metaknights will place (not saying that this would ever actually happen, just an example). There should be some way of taking into account the total number of each character participating in the tournaments to make the information more representative of that characters actually ranking. Maybe dividing total points by players or something. That would take a lot of work though to get an actually good system, but its just a thought. Awesome list anyway, can't wait to see how it changes.

 

[HiddenBowser]

Good **** kankoku, lol, ankoku, remember that time last night, lol, yeah ya do, lmao, but either way, good ****... lol

 

[Illussionary]

Its good to see almost every character being used, so that people now have confirmation that you don't have to play a top tier character to win a tourney.

 

[HiddenBowser]

lol yoshi.

 

[Desruprot]

Interesting list, although I thought that Dedede would have won more, but meh it is what it is...

 

[Illussionary]

lol yoshi.

Yoshi will win a tourney one day. . .


/prays

 

[Zankoku]

Its good to see almost every character being used, so that people now have confirmation that you don't have to play a top tier character to win a tourney.

Actually, you'll notice that NONE of the characters in the C or D Rank, except for Donkey Kong (lol Darkrain) has actually won a tournament.

 

[goodkid]

Bum won a weekly with Donkey Kong, I don't have a clue about the other players and chars. though.

http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=574

 

[Zankoku]

The worst I'm willing to do is add in a tournament with only the top 4. I can't use this unless I get more characters for the other people who placed in this.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

lol yoshi.

Quit dissing the dino. You use jiggles, you're not in a position to make fun of characters :D

 

[Illussionary]

Hey you put yoshi in the D Rank what changed?

 

[****ashi]

nice work, it may not be a tier list, but it is more objective because it isn't really based on opinions

 

[Qinopio]

I think this is interesting, but since it depends on popularity as much as it does on how good the characters are, it's not anywhere near a real tier list.

What would be interesting to see would be a list like this with ratios of top-8 finishes and wins to the number of times that charcter was used in a tournament.

 

[Xiivi]

Bum won a weekly with Donkey Kong, I don't have a clue about the other players and chars. though.

http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=574

1: Bum (DK)
2: JMan (DDD)
3: Cort (Snake)
4: Dire (R.O.B.)
5: PC (Metaknight?)
5: Reno (Sheik?)
7: Kubuu (TL?)
7: Tier (DK)

 

[N1c2k3]

List looks good. Only question: Why'd you decide to only make top 2 for the S rank? Is it cuz the last Melee list had 2 Tops? 3 sounds like it would make more sense to me, but w/e...

 

[Xiivi]

List looks good. Only question: Why'd you decide to only make top 2 for the S rank? Is it cuz the last Melee list had 2 Tops? 3 sounds like it would make more sense to me, but w/e...

Perhaps it had something to do with the huge point difference between 2nd and 3rd place?

 

[Koga]

I aggree with Qinopio. Honestly, I admit Snake is a good character i just don't think he is top tier. I believe he is doing so well because he is Snake, and right now any of my friends who are metal gear solid fans run snake just becuase they like him, and the badass factor.

maybe after some more tournaments when people settle into characters more we'll have a more accurate picture.

I'd include my playgroups weeklies but i feel they are to small to really matter, generally only 6-12 people come but that might increase, we're starting "quarter smash" where everyone puts a quarter into the pool, the winner gets 3/4 of the quarters and second place gets 1/4. maybe this will bring more people and encourage them to play better characters.

 

[Northbound]

No love for falco? Metaknight and snake are too imba.