Word on the street is, Diddy is the closest thing to a counter for Meta out there, but I'm having a problem seeing how that is. Watching him slip on a banana mid-tornado is fun, but what really puts Diddy over the top against Metaknight?
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Diddy as Metaknight 'counter'?
- Thread starter Drab Emordnilap
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one of MK's main things is having a ton of priority in his b moves... and diddy trumps them all with bananas and kung fu kicks. a smart diddy won't get gimped against a meta... which is another one of meta's main things. diddy has the speed to keep up with him, and he can put bananas on the ground so MK can't run around like a h0. i'm not sure where else it is. diddy beats him in weight and KO power...
saberhof
Smash Master
diddy has more priority and more KO kills and bananas, that sums it up for ya...
Any notion that Diddy Kong is a Metaknight counter is unfounded.
Any notion that Diddy Kong is a counter for any character is unfounded.
Any notion that Diddy Kong is worth playing is unfounded.
Stop spreading lies!
((With great Banana play, Diddy Kong can wreck any character. Basically if the Metaknight can't handle the pressure dished out by the bananas, then they're going to lose control of the match, and subsequently, the game)).
Any notion that Diddy Kong is a counter for any character is unfounded.
Any notion that Diddy Kong is worth playing is unfounded.
Stop spreading lies!
((With great Banana play, Diddy Kong can wreck any character. Basically if the Metaknight can't handle the pressure dished out by the bananas, then they're going to lose control of the match, and subsequently, the game)).
saberhof
Smash Master
i also never said he was a counter, i just pointed out what he had better...>_>...
btw diddy sucks...
btw diddy sucks...
Count
Smash Champion
Reverse glide tossing is your friend and keep meta knights off balance and out of a flow!
But its not fun at all, don't try it, and diddy is just as lousy as everybody else vs meta knight. really.
But its not fun at all, don't try it, and diddy is just as lousy as everybody else vs meta knight. really.
Nicktendo
Smash Ace
I agree with this. I don't think Diddy is specifically a counter to Metaknight.
I've played 3 Metaknights in tournament so far with Diddy Kong and won every time. I like it.
denizen
Smash Apprentice
you guys need to play dsf's mk...it's something else.
I beat the 9th ranked player on AiB today who only uses MK. Online, but still, Diddy is far more hindered in online play than MK is.
Id rate the match easier than Peach.
Id rate the match easier than Peach.
It may feel that way if the metaknight you are playing against has never played a decent diddy kong before, however the way my brother plays against me contradicts that. I play the best diddy in az for sure and feel possibly best on the west coast (according to dsf/ajax who have played nanerz, etc). There is no way in hell that if i am playing my best, and my brother (Morty) is playing his mk his best that i will win. He knows not to stay on the ground, and beats the **** out of me with air priority, i see a few people saying diddy has better priority, they dont know what theyre talking about.
Or by priority they mean that nanas beat all of MK's moves (unless they are timed to catch).
How exactly is MK going to attack you without a projectile from the air? Eventually, he has to land, or get close enough to you that you can hit him with a nana. MK needs the ground for his KO moves, except for the Up-B, which he needs to be on level with you and so you can still nana him.
If MK wants to actually kill Diddy, he will have to get close and in range of nana. Spamming jumps and the D-air won't do anything but give Diddy tidbits of damage.
How exactly is MK going to attack you without a projectile from the air? Eventually, he has to land, or get close enough to you that you can hit him with a nana. MK needs the ground for his KO moves, except for the Up-B, which he needs to be on level with you and so you can still nana him.
If MK wants to actually kill Diddy, he will have to get close and in range of nana. Spamming jumps and the D-air won't do anything but give Diddy tidbits of damage.
Exactly. Great point.
I mean, in a close up in-your-face fight meta knight would win. But if diddy is played correctly, using glidetossing and such while keeping out of range of his kill moves, he has great chances of winning. Plus the bananas definetly get in the way of every single one of his specials.
Oh and if d-air is spammed Diddy could just attack from the sides with a f-air or something.
I wouldn't necessarily say Diddy is a counter against MK, but I do say he's probably one of the few that MK doesn't destroy.
CO18
Smash Hero
Ninjalink 2-0ed M2k at esticleeeeeee.
Diddy> MK
Case closed.
Diddy> MK
Case closed.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
NL beat me both matches, although they were very close, but he also 2-0d infernoomni, and 2 stock ***** him one game I heard (from omni), and took Azen to 5th game, but the match Azen went MK he lost by 1 stock low %. There's a high chance Diddy has the advantage in the match, but it could also be an issue of matchup experience. I think it's at least even, maybe Diddy's favor because of NL's **** performance.
Diddy Kong.Mew2King said:
Brawl's best kept secret til' now.
Nicktendo
Smash Ace
****, and I lost to a Metaknight today. I really only got downsmashed and up b'd and it killed me. Guess today just wasn't my day for the matchup.
I played two Metaknights last weeks tourney and out of 4 games bewteen them 2 stocked in 3 of them.
I played two Metaknights last weeks tourney and out of 4 games bewteen them 2 stocked in 3 of them.
Azen has experience in the match up, hes played at least 50 matches with me, probably closer to 100. Mostly doubles, but some singles.
Diddy King
Smash Cadet
Isnt donkey kong supposed to be the metaknight counter?
ScubaF_ingSteve
I eat stickers all the time, dude!
/thread
Diddy kong is a pretty even match up with metaknight imo, its all about experience and how you play it.
saberhof
Smash Master
oh yeah its still a secret... xD...
Player-1
Smash Legend
MK really doesn't give me any trouble, but based on the average diddy player I think it's 35-65 in MK's favor.
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NL has decent MK practice in NY thanks to Shadow.
M2K do you have Diddy practice?
Match-ups are judged when both characters are played to the fullest and both players have extensive knowledge of the match-up and know wtf they are doing in it.
If M2K has no idea wtf to do in the match-up how can you judge it?
As he said himself match-up experience is certainly an issue to take into consideration.
M2K do you have Diddy practice?
Match-ups are judged when both characters are played to the fullest and both players have extensive knowledge of the match-up and know wtf they are doing in it.
If M2K has no idea wtf to do in the match-up how can you judge it?
As he said himself match-up experience is certainly an issue to take into consideration.
Diddy placed.
Heh, this is true. I liked it better when no one knew that Diddy existed.
Anyways, on the matchup: both Diddy and Meta are incredible at punishing opponent's mistakes; however, Meta has a whole lot more options during the match as to how he can decide to play (in my opinion). Also, while Diddy's offstage game is amazing, Meta will definitely be gimping Diddy at much lower percentages than Diddy will gimp him. On the other hand, Diddy can absolutely shut down Meta's ground game, and Meta's slow horizontal air speed (coupled with the fact that, IIRC, Diddy's fair outranges Meta's) generally prevents him from approaching with the same comfort that he can afford in most other matchups. I'd call it generally even, maybe with a slight advantage going to Metaknight.
ADHD
Smash Hero
The matchup is in metas favor by a bit. He can just dair your rocket barrels, try to spike metaknight, and watch the shuttle loop magic. He's so hard for diddy to gimp, and if he has your nanerz, he's such a god **** pain. It won't be long before metaknights start figuring out diddy kong.
Esca
Smash Champion
Metaknight has no counters. The only counter for a metaknight is a better metaknight. If there's anything near a counter, it may be Diddy Kong. This is going to be really simple information, but all you need to do is space yourself. Just single nanner the whole round. Don't pull out 2 and try to be fancy. He can just grab it. All you need to do is single nanner, and when you hit him and he trips, grab him. Or work combos from the glide tosses. GT forward to fsmash. It works. GT forward to bthrow, regrab nanner and repeat. It's not that hard to beat a metaknight guys.
Esca
Smash Champion
****, I'm sexy.
CY
Smash Ace
i bet you can't beat my MK. -_-
MK has no counter...and yet NL ran though Omni, M2K (who hasn't lost in forever and has certainly run into other characters he hasn't had experience fighting, and won), and Azen's MK. Some of it is match up experience, but for right now, that still makes Diddy counter MK, cause no one has Diddy experience. You can say the whole "played to the fullest" thing, but its about how things are right now, not how they will hypothetically be in a year (in which case, I'd still put Diddy over MK, considering MK has a lot of room to improve/develop).
GDX
Smash Hero
more importantly, did that guy just double post quote himself as being sexy for something "smart" he said?
...*facepalm*
...*facepalm*
Esca
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No, lol. I really didn't know what i did. I went to edit it, and it quoted myself, and i didn't feel like pushing back.
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MK has room to develop?! O_o
His Metagame has been stagnant up until the cape glitch was discovered.
And now it's stagnant once again.
All there really is to develop is match-up knowledge for MK. I really don't think his moveset allows for the growth that other characters do, simply because his is very straight forward and already very effective.
His Metagame has been stagnant up until the cape glitch was discovered.
And now it's stagnant once again.
All there really is to develop is match-up knowledge for MK. I really don't think his moveset allows for the growth that other characters do, simply because his is very straight forward and already very effective.
I'm pretty sure he ment Diddy.
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Well he said that MK has room to develop soooooooo.
Anyway, lolz. I don't think Diddy counters MK at all.
Lack of match-up knowledge counters everyone.
Anyway, lolz. I don't think Diddy counters MK at all.
Lack of match-up knowledge counters everyone.