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You trying learning how to use it good. It takes practice.
that part about mtv was funny man but anyways tha cape aint cheap it's just **** good. my favorite move and it gets easy kills too - grab, throw of ledge, cape - finished!
Dude, that won't work on good players. Getting a grab with Mario's hard enough due to his bad range. They're that, and DI. It's not really effective.
This works on whom, again?
i know that its hard to pull off but not impossible. its situational besides i forget to mention it in full detail but here goes.
Who the hell randomly Up Bs right in front of someone, anyway?
thats true about capin peach but when shes comin back shes open. and mk and pit will not be caped when air jumpin. theyll be gettin fireballs to cancel their air jumps until they can only use up b. for mk cape his up for pit fireball again.
i didnt say that. i said up b under tha stage. if you dont get it forget it.
i know. but yeah it doesnt work all tha time its situational
theres alittle trick i like to call airdodge, it works pretty well, especially for when mario is shooting fireballs at pit or mk
i have yet to underestimate mario's edgeguarding potential. or to say that. but if a mario capes/fludds a floating peach she is gonna go up in the air higher same goes if she gets hit with fludd, even if she is using her up b.
Very true, but that doesn't stop characters like MK or ROB from screwing up various recoveries. Edgeguarding is more difficult, and less effective, but still very much alive. Link and toonlink have their tether ledgestall, Mario has the cape stall and FLUDD that kills the spacies recovery, and Kirby has many new options as well.
yeah except everytime you use air dodge you go down a little and that can make tha difference between your life and your death especially for characters like peach whos vertical recovery is tha worst in tha game
Her amazing horizontal recovery makes for it. Besides, a good player would make it so that they air-dodge at the right time to make it hard to punish them. They're that, and Mario still loses to Peach in Brawl because the attacks she has beat out Mario's because of Mario's bad range and Mario's recovery can be gimped by Peach, since his recovery isn't good and isn't hard to edgeguard. Just average. It's true cape's good for edgeguarding. You just need to mix it up with FLUDD and fireballs and you're good to go.
You don't recover low to avoid the cape, you recover high!
i know peach has beatiful horizontal recovery, you didnt get me. i said if she was comin from UNDER tha stage (situational) and you shoot fireballs to cancel her second jump and she DODGES (goes down a little) that could make tha difference between her life and her death. about peach beatin mario, i highly disagree. just my opinionHer amazing horizontal recovery makes for it. Besides, a good player would make it so that they air-dodge at the right time to make it hard to punish them. They're that, and Mario still loses to Peach in Brawl because the attacks she has beat out Mario's because of Mario's bad range and Mario's recovery can be gimped by Peach, since his recovery isn't good and isn't hard to edgeguard. Just average. It's true cape's good for edgeguarding. You just need to mix it up with FLUDD and fireballs and you're good to go.
She can beat it out with the umbrella. Besides, good Peach players wouldn't be going underneath the stage. Of course you disagree. You think Mario's the best character in the game, which is false. You don't seem to understand that Mario's limitations are what make him an average character. It's apparent that he does have a hard time against Peach since Peach beats him in the air and Mario's priority against hers gets beat. As a matter of fact, there are more characters that give Mario a hard time than Mario gives a hard time to. I'm stating facts. This debate's over.
Was responding to when Peachkid you recover low to avoid. I agree, recovering higher is a good idea, but being above your opponent leaves you vulnerable as some characters too. You'll return to the stage, but you may eat some damage in trying to avoid cape edgeguards or w/e
Let's say that I cape you before you double jump. If you double jump any time as you're being turned around, your doublejump will go in the other direction. The momentum shift isn't a meteor or 5 second stun, but almost as bad. Your back is turned, you're slowly moving in the other direction, your second jump is gone, and you're still off the edge. This vulnerability opens up many more options for edgeguarding. I could Nair or Bair you away to where your upB won't reach the edge, I could try to Fludd you far enough to get a ledgehog, meteor, or another cape, or I could try one of those without the Fludd. As you said, recovering above the stage is always the ideal, but when that's not an option, Mario has choices.
and get caped for it. the debates over huh? fine by me
thats been my point all along
Only, if Peach gets caped with the Umbrella, she can still move, as opposed to most other characters. And in this game, you can grab the ledge with your back turned to it (if Peach's umbrella is down).
No it hasn't. You claimed one should recover low to avoid getting caped. This implies that the best option (because the cape is just so good) against Mario is to recover low. Mario, by the way, has absolutely zero tools to force people to recover low unless he Fair Meteors them or something (or they suck at DI).
ok i give up arguein wit you. happy now?
i was wrong on my arguement about recovering low and i accept that. yuna's right about its better by recovering high to avoid getting gimped by cape or fludd because they are out of their range, but also as matador stated mario has choices 2 of them to be exact. but they can be limited if the situation is not in marios favor like recovering really high above the stage or possibly under the stage.
So this is how you remain undefeated in debate? By "giving up" arguing with people and just leaving the threads without admitting defeat?
Then we haven't anything to argue about. Mario has really no options on edgeguarding G&W or Sonic because they're nearly ALWAYS too high for you to string any sort of edgeguarding setups together. If the peach recovers high, which is more often than not, she falls into that category.
We're not saying he's bad at it. We're just saying that he can't gimp everyone as easily as you think he can because of certain characters' recovery options. So long as you go high, Mario has a harder time getting gimps. Aerials and the cape glide doesn't help much against some recoveries anyways.
Isn't that true for every character though? I thought going high makes it hard for people to gimp you period.
Yeah it is. Problem is some character's recoveries aren't as high as others.
