Double Team KO Percentages [Update: DONE! 200% Added]

So I've decided to compile a list of percentages at which Lucario's Double Team (Down B) KOs. The following are done WITH DI and Air Dodge. Remember, this list doesn't have to do with character weight...(Well, kinda) More so, it has to do with a characters ability to stay alive. That is why characters with the same weight die at different percentages. All tests were done in the middle of Final Destination.

GofG said:

Jeepy Sol, I'd like you to note that the dimensions of the ceiling, wall, and floor of Final Destination are identical to the c/w/f of Smashville and Battlefield, meaning that if this kills on FD, it will also kill on those other two stages. Possibly also Lylat Cruise, although me and Foxy need to do more tests first.

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When Lucario is at 0%

Mario: 163%

Donkey Kong: 193%

Link: 177%

Samus: 173%

Zero Suit Samus: 157%

Kirby: 150%

Fox: 152%

Pikachu: 155%

Marth: 165%

Mr. Game & Watch: 147%

Luigi: 167%

Diddy: 165%

Zelda: 156%

Sheik: 152%

Pit: 168%

Meta Knight: 153%

Falco: 158%

Squirtle: 143%

Ivysaur: 174%

Charizard: 181%

Ike: 185%

Snake: 195%

Peach: 157%

Yoshi: 172%

Ganondorf: 186%

Ice Climbers: 160%

King Dedede: 196%

Wolf: 176%

Lucario: 164%

Ness: 166%

Sonic: 166%

Bowser: 179%

Wario: 177%

Toon Link: 164%

R.O.B.: 175%

Pikmin & Olimar: 155%

Captain Falcon: 187%

Jigglypuff: 136%

Lucas: 166%

50%


Mario: 134%

Donkey Kong: 158%

Link: 145%

Samus: 141%

Zero Suit Samus: 128%

Kirby: 125%

Fox: 124%

Pikachu: 126%

Marth: 134%

Mr. Game & Watch: 121%

Luigi: 137%

Diddy: 133%

Zelda: 125%

Sheik: 124%

Pit: 142%

Meta Knight: 124%

Falco: 129%

Squirtle: 117%

Ivysaur: 144%

Charizard: 148%

Ike: 153%

Snake: 160%

Peach: 129%

Yoshi: 141%

Ganondorf: 153%

Ice Climbers: 131%

King Dedede: 161%

Wolf: 145%

Lucario: 135%

Ness: 135%

Sonic: 138%

Bowser: 148%

Wario: 145%

Toon Link: 135%

R.O.B.: 144%

Pikmen & Olimar: 130%

Captain Falcon: 152%

Jigglypuff: 110%

Lucas: 133%


100%

Mario: 106%

Donkey Kong: 128%

Link: 117%

Samus: 115%

Zero Suit Samus: 102%

Kirby: 98%

Fox: 99%

Pikachu: 102%

Marth: 109%

Mr. Game & Watch: 96%

Luigi: 110%

Diddy: 108%

Zelda: 101%

Sheik: 100%

Pit: 111%

Meta Knight: 98%

Falco: 105%

Squirtle: 92%

Ivysaur: 113%

Charizard: 118%

Ike: 122%

Snake: 127%

Peach: 102%

Yoshi: 110%

Ganondorf: 118%

Ice Climbers: 105%

King Dedede: 129%

Wolf: 116%

Lucario: 104%

Ness: 109%

Sonic: 111%

Bowser: 119%

Wario: 117%

Toon Link: 107%

R.O.B.: 115%

Pikmin & Olimar: 102%

Captain Falcon: 124%

Jigglypuff: 89%

Lucas: 108%


150%

Mario: 91%

Donkey Kong: 106%

Link: 99%

Samus: 94%

Zero Suit Samus: 83%

Kirby: 80%

Fox: 81%

Pikachu: 83%

Marth: 89%

Mr. Game & Watch: 78%

Luigi: 87%

Diddy: 89%

Zelda: 82%

Sheik: 81%

Pit: 91%

Meta Knight: 81%

Falco: 86%

Squirtle: 75%

Ivysaur: 92%

Charizard: 98%

Ike: 101%

Snake: 107%

Peach: 84%

Yoshi: 92%

Ganondorf: 101%

Ice Climbers: 85%...Only Nana dies at 84% (lol)

King Dedede: 105%

Wolf: 97%

Lucario: 90%

Ness: 90%

Sonic: 92%

Bowser: 99%

Wario: 97%

Toon Link: 88%

R.O.B.: 94%

Pikmin & Olimar: 83%

Captain Falcon: 102%

Jigglypuff: 73%

Lucas: 89%


200% +

Mario: 84%

Donkey Kong: 98%

Link: 92%

Samus: 88%

Zero Suit Samus: 77%

Kirby: 75%

Fox: 75%

Pikachu: 83%

Marth: 83%

Mr. Game & Watch: 72%

Luigi: 84%

Diddy: 83%

Zelda: 76%

Sheik: 76%

Pit: 85%

Meta Knight: 73%

Falco: 80%

Squirtle: 70%

Ivysaur: 87%

Charizard: 91%

Ike: 94%

Snake: 97%

Peach: 78%

Yoshi: 88%

Ganondorf: 94%

Ice Climbers: 80%

King Dedede: 103%

Wolf: 90%

Lucario: 85%

Ness: 83%

Sonic: 85%

Bowser: 92%

Wario: 90%

Toon Link: 82%

R.O.B.: 88%

Pikmin & Olimar: 78%

Captain Falcon: 95%

Jigglypuff: 67%

Lucas: 83%

Remember, depending on your opponents DI, the percentages could be A LITTLE different.


Hopefully, this will give you an idea of when to use your Double Team against a certain character for a KO.

Here's a great guide by NESSBOUNDER on how to use double team more effectively. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144587

Edit: I am working on 100% right now, I plan on having it up tomorrow. Eventually I will have 150% and 200% as well. Hope this helps.

Edit 2: 150% on its way.

Edit 3: 200% by tomorrow!

Wow....very interesting stuff! this is going to be extremely helpful. I'll definitely memorize a couple and take it into consideration. especially againest characters that get picked a lot....


Can't wait for the other KO-percentage-chart. Lucario at 50% is DEADLY!

Great work! Hopefully when you're done with the higher % this will help convince people to use this cool move more.

NESSBOUNDER said:

Great work! Hopefully when you're done with the higher % this will help convince people to use this cool move more.

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Ture story. This move is great and I see many Lucario player not using it .

Thanks for the info!

Hot **** o.0 thats a lot of testing. Good stuff there, thanks for taking the time to help Lucarios every where.

is double team affected by stale move negation

Yes, double team is affected by stale move negation. It generally goes 7,6,5,5,5,4,4,3,3,3... Although occasionally it will do an extra 1% damage.

I did all my tests in training mode, where stale move negation is void.

Another question: Where did you do these tests? (Map?)

Different stages have different ceilings and boundaries, so these would be very approximate.

Santana said:

Another question: Where did you do these tests? (Map?)

Different stages have different ceilings and boundaries, so these would be very approximate.

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Final Destination in the middle of the stage. It says on the first post.

Just Finished 100%. As you can see, when Lucario is at 100%, most characters die within the 100%-115% range, which means that you are at the advantage if you and your opponent are trading blows. In my opinion, 100% is the ideal percantage to be at, even better than 50%, or even 0%. It is also better than 150%, when most characters f-smash will kill you.

Sorry for the double post!

Woohoo! Thanks a ton! I knew Double Team was powerful, but not THIS powerful!

This **** is amazing... Lucario FTW! lol

I can't wait to see the even higher %'s, though 100% is just nuts. O_O;

And by the way, thank you so very much for spending the time to do this... It will certainly benefit many of us. *gives you props, and a cookie* (Everyone loves cookies!)

very nice find
thx for testing this to the extreme lol
now ill know when to use double team as my trump card

Thanks for all the kind words. I just finished 150%. Most characters will die under 100%, which is nice. I added NESSBOUNDER's guide on how to use Double Team more effectively, since using using it is useless if you don't know how to.

200% tomorrow!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; You're one crazy sonuva*****.

Call me if you need any help.

And hurry up with 200% you lazy ***!

Jeepy Sol, I'd like you to note that the dimensions of the ceiling, wall, and floor of Final Destination are identical to the c/w/f of Smashville and Battlefield, meaning that if this kills on FD, it will also kill on those other two stages. Possibly also Lylat Cruise, although me and Foxy need to do more tests first.

GofG said:

Jeepy Sol, I'd like you to note that the dimensions of the ceiling, wall, and floor of Final Destination are identical to the c/w/f of Smashville and Battlefield, meaning that if this kills on FD, it will also kill on those other two stages. Possibly also Lylat Cruise, although me and Foxy need to do more tests first.

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Hey, you're right! I'll add this to the OP.

200% = death in the 70s? Wow.

Jeepy Sol said:

Most characters will die under 100%, which is nice.

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Yeah that's awesome. I can't wait to destroy projectile spamming TLinks
I'm definately memorizing some- the ones which have decent projectiles and are used a lot.

Just a general question about double team. Why doesn't it work on smart bombs?

Also, AMAZING job on this information. Your work will really help a lot of people.

Hmm.. very nice...

May I have 80%, please?

Infi-tan said:

Hmm.. very nice...

May I have 80%, please?

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Divide the percentage of a character on the 100% list by .85 and you should get a rough estimate of what percent they should be at. If you have certain characters that you would like me to do, I would be more than happy to get more accurate percentages for you, but I honestly don't have the energy to do all of the characters.

But i'm laaaaaazy. D=

Bleh... *just estimates* So it'll KO most characters at around 120-ish percent. Gotcha.

Yes, that's right. And remember, if you want a specific character at a specific percent, just ask. That goes for everyone.

Hows about Snake when Luke is at 120%

sick thread
thx so much for testing all this info jeepy!
much appreciated :]

PSYCHE said:

Hows about Snake when Luke is at 120%

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When Lucario is at 120%, he will KO Snake at 120%.

lol, what a coinki-dink! thanks bud.

This is great to know, thanks a lot for the dedication and work you put into this! ^^

Today is a great day for those who main Lucario.