Jigglypuff's rest character KO list

Nimkip · Feb 11, 2008

The following characters can be KO'd by Jigg's rest starting from said percentage.

I Used a CP in Training mode on Final Destination.

Characters are listed by percentage from highest to lowest.

All Characters included.

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DeDeDe - 87%

Snake - 83%

Donkey Kong - 80%

Captain Falcon - 79%

Ike - 77%

Ganondorf - 76%

Bowser - 75%

Link - 75%

Wolf - 73%

Charizard - 72%

Wario - 72%

Yoshi - 71%

ROB - 70%

Ivysaur - 70%

Samus - 69%

Lucario - 68%

Pit - 68%

Sonic - 68%

Marth - 67%

Luigi - 67%

Mario - 67%

Diddy Kong - 66%

Ness - 66%

Falco - 65%

Lucas - 65%

Toon Link - 65%

Ice Climbers - 63%

Pikachu - 62%

Pikmin and Olimar - 62%

Peach - 61%

Zero Suit Samus - 61%

Zelda - 60%

Sheik - 59%

Meta Knight - 59%

Kirby - 59%

Fox - 58%

Mr. Game and Watch - 57%

Squirtle - 54%

Jigglypuff - 52%

LuLLo · Feb 11, 2008

DeDeDe - 87%

Snake - 83%

Donkey Kong - 80%

Captain Falcon - 79%

Ike - 77%

Wow, these 4 must have good stats then, especially C.Falcon and Snake, I expected them somewhere in the middle...nice work

craiigg · Feb 11, 2008

wow her rest got really nerfed.

curious though, where on the level did you try this? the center?

Mada90 · Feb 11, 2008

this is just sad....thanks Nimkip anyway.

Formula1 · Feb 11, 2008

So..... rest is a useless move?

Thats what it looks like....

Atsu · Feb 11, 2008

When you add DIing in...ouch...

I guess it'd be mainly used for some quick damage to prepare for a KO, since she wakes up around the time they land. So it's not really useless, at least in a 1v1 battle. Unless you could get everyone in a three or four man free for all, I would stay away from Rest entirely.

EDIT: Thanks for compiling all of this ^^.

EDIT 2: That's right...with the opponent DIing you're basically screwed over. Screw that thought. Rest is now a suicidal move.

Ryan-K · Feb 11, 2008

Does this take move decay into effect?

SK8orDIE · Feb 11, 2008

Formula1 said:
So..... rest is a useless move?

Thats what it looks like....

You know, the consensus thus far is that "everyone lives longer in Brawl", so perhaps the move has just been scaled to reflect this. Anyone have a link to Melee 'Puff's rest stats?

Snake's kill percentage makes complete sense. Despite his AAA combo and his dash attack, he feels very heavy and slow.

Atsu · Feb 11, 2008

SK8orDIE said:
You know, the consensus thus far is that "everyone lives longer in Brawl", so perhaps the move has just been scaled to reflect this. Anyone have a link to Melee 'Puff's rest stats?

Snake's kill percentage makes complete sense. Despite his AAA combo and his dash attack, he feels very heavy and slow.

I never really calculated it, but I usually got the KO around 20-30% in Melee. Sometimes a little less then 20%. So having about, on average, 2.4x the Melee average is still pretty harsh. But I guess where people get KO'd around the 150-200% mark makes Rest and Comboing off the edge still semi-useful.

verditude · Feb 11, 2008

The knockback goes straight up now, doesn't it? That could explain it.

Polostick · Feb 16, 2008

did they try to recover?

Jigglymaster · Feb 16, 2008

Rest is not a usless move people. It still pwns. You don't need combos to pull it off so percents don't matter and the punishment isn't that bad if they survive.

GotACoolName · Feb 16, 2008

Rest is 64ified. Takes much more damage to kill, but it has a much larger hitbox and she wakes up faster than in Melee. And as a bonus, it now puts a flower on top of the victim's head.

pyroroth · Feb 16, 2008

It also depends on the stage, since it's a vertical kill now it will be easier to ko on stages with lower ceilings.

S2 · Feb 16, 2008

I didn't notice that rest has a bigger hitbox, but it certainly does not pack very much punch at all in Brawl.

If you're opponent is DIing (duh), then you aren't going to be killing with rest very much unless they are at higher percents. The knockback is severely diminished. You'll notice its nerf every time you do it.

My guess is that Sakurai wanted to expand Jiggly beyond being just about getting quick kills with rest. We'll see if she's really any better for this. She depended on rest a lot in Melee for quick combo kills, maybe she won't need it as much in Brawl.

I didn't play Jiggly enough to really get a good feeling of how balanced she was. But the rest nerf is by far the most glaring change to her.

Gravekeeper · Feb 17, 2008

superryan said:
Does this take move decay into effect?

From what I've seen in videos, you don't get stale moves in Brawl's Training Mode, so it's all good.

Mr.C · Feb 17, 2008

Rest is still amazing and still very intimidating. You just have to be smarter with your rests this time around, no resting someone at 10-20% and getting a cheap kill. Its very easy to get characters to 50-70% with Jiggly then you just have to wait for the right moment to rest. Rest out of shield in this game is extremely good. You can Dair/Fair/Nair/Bair rest pretty easily if they opponent messes up Di or is at low %'s. Still very good.

slimpyman · Feb 18, 2008

jiggly is awesome.

Papytendo · Feb 22, 2008

JigglyPuff T3h RuleZ

In Melee if Giga Bowser was close to the edge you could rest KO him with 0% damage.

Witchking_of_Angmar · Feb 25, 2008

And the REST was history.

At least you can combo with nair, fair and bair into rest if those aerials are weakened.

RPK · Feb 28, 2008

Ooo! INSPIRATION DESU!?!?!

With the new damage, and knock back system I have actually thought up a better way to get in rests....If you can do Sh, autocanceled fair then please tell me...Cause I was thinking with the new knockback system, it will be a whole lot easier for us to combo into our rests <3

WOPfam · Mar 6, 2008

No one answered superryan, whose question was probably the most prevalent here.. WAS move decay taken into effect? I mean, if you rested him to that percentage or similar then your numbers will be a little messy.

Also, where does rest send you directionally, if someone doesn't mind? I'm hearing that it sends you straight up but I was hoping for some confirmation.

WOPfam · Mar 6, 2008

Gravekeeper said:
From what I've seen in videos, you don't get stale moves in Brawl's Training Mode, so it's all good.

No, no, actually: "stale moves" lose knockback considerably more with use than in SSBM, I think your finding is rationalized by the fact that you tested in Training mode.

Smashbros_7 · Mar 7, 2008

Fox is light in this game...

MyRevenge. · Mar 11, 2008

Kinda sad to see all those high percentages...
But Jiggly still pwns

Ganon1 · Mar 15, 2008

I did the same test, only with Fox's fully charged up smash. I think fox's may be slightly more accurate because doesn't Rest depend on how well your center is touching the opponent? Anyway the results are almost identical, the top heaviest were Dedede (71), Snake (69), Donkey Kong (68), Bowser (66), Captain Falcon (65), Ike (64), and Ganondorf (64). I think it's sad that fox's smash can kill more easily that Rest, it's always been a strong kick but I miss the Rest from melee.

RPK · Mar 15, 2008

I actually combo'd someone from 0-death today...juggled with bairs, into fairs, and rose them up little by little and ended with a uair to rest. They probably didnt know how to DI though.

HiddenBowser · Mar 15, 2008

They probably didn't know how to hit the jump or air dodge button either.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Mar 15, 2008

With that Rest attack being weakened, I highly doubt that Jigglypuff is as good as it was in Melee.

Giga Hand · Mar 15, 2008

I think Rest is as good as it ever was, just different. It's still a good KO move, just not nearly as good as it was in melee, and it puts a flower on the victim's head, dealing damage so the opponent is still pretty much screwed.

Also, these stats please me as I want to main Dedede.

HiddenBowser · Mar 15, 2008

haha, good as it ever was, just not nearly as good as it was in melee? Nice speeching.

FadingWings · Mar 15, 2008

I know this may sound stupid but i think rest is a bit easier to pull off than in melee.Its just a hunch but for me it seems true

Bluekaze · Jun 28, 2008

It's weird that bowser can be KOd at a lower percent than the others.

rinoH · Jun 28, 2008

nice job with the stats man

Tyser · Jun 29, 2008

I lol'd at page 1 and 2.

illinialex24 · Jun 29, 2008

FadingWings said:
I know this may sound stupid but i think rest is a bit easier to pull off than in melee.Its just a hunch but for me it seems true

It's not that it has larger range than in melee, but this is actually true. Because of Brawl's slower gameplay, and because of the amazing dair to rest combo, resting is on most characters easier than melee (Fox and Falco excluded, due to the amazing U-throw rest combo in melee).

orochijes · Jun 29, 2008

Mario_and_Sonic_Guy said:
With that Rest attack being weakened, I highly doubt that Jigglypuff is as good as it was in Melee.

Rest=a move in Jigg's arsenal
Rest≠ her ability to fight

HiddenBowser · Jun 29, 2008

Note that this is without DI. I found the %'s that characters die with DI and such and stuck it up on the third post of the official jigglypuff discussion thread.

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