i know wavedashing isnt supposed to be in...but this is interesting.

Pokec · Feb 6, 2008

Exactly what is Sheik doing at 0:26?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqLofWyEKg

that split second doesnt seem like a roll.

and i SINCERELY apologize for wasting a thread if this is deemed "OMG N00B THATS SO OBV NOT A WAVEDASH!!!?!!!111/1/11!!!!"

Betaz · Feb 6, 2008

thats....interesting... i mean it's not a back roll shiek does one moments before and it looks nothing like that

Cubemario · Feb 6, 2008

That's a typical dodge. LOL wavedashing isn't in, don't try and kid yourself.

Pokec · Feb 6, 2008

Betaz said:
thats....interesting... i mean it's not a back roll shiek does one moments before and it looks nothing like that

which is entirely the reason i posted this ^-^

thank god someone else noticed something....odd.

cheezysnacks · Feb 6, 2008

I think he just dashed left then right real quick... hard to tell some frames are m.i.a.

Dry Bones · Feb 6, 2008

looks like a roll to me, but its real quick, so i could be wrong

Rang Flash · Feb 6, 2008

Most likely it's not a wavedash, unless people who have the game are keeping something from us.

Xanderous · Feb 6, 2008

Doesn't matter. You can't wavedash and wavelanding is useless. I don't even need to look at the video.

Gea · Feb 6, 2008

I can see the roll animation.

red stone · Feb 6, 2008

hmmm...apparently sheik also did a forward tilt instantly out of it...need to review this some more

Wave⁂ · Feb 6, 2008

Xanderous said:
Doesn't matter. You can't wavedash and wavelanding is useless. I don't even need to look at the video.

Can you "*******?"

Seriously, though. This could be interesting.

Bread-Butterer · Feb 6, 2008

Hmm... Looked like one to me. I'm staying cautiously optimistic.

Robble · Feb 6, 2008

Xanderous said:
Doesn't matter. You can't wavedash and wavelanding is useless. I don't even need to look at the video.

Sure, it's not a wave-anything. Everyone knows that. What it COULD be is some sort of dash-dance-cancel into a tilt. That would be an interesting AT, wouldn't it? Too bad you never looked at the video to find out...

It isn't just a normal dodge considering Sheik ends up like a Marth-width backwards from where she started, but it doesn't look exactly like the run animation... maybe it's just what I said, a single dash dance left-right and then some sort of cancel into a forward tilt. Or it could be something much simpler that I'm not seeing, of course.

TrueRedemption · Feb 6, 2008

Calling it a wavedash may simply be incorrectly calling something new by a name of what it looks like. We know wavedashing as SSBM defines it is out, an equivalent tech may exist though. That video shows a moment of weird potentially advantageous movement, and if it can be recreated then hey we have a new tech, whether its useful will show in time, meanwhile other people will find other weird things elsewhere. Its how games develop, SSBM didn't come with the advanced techs in the instruction manual. Odds are its nothing, or not usable, but that doesn't mean each oddity shouldn't be looked at.

-True

brawlmaniac · Feb 6, 2008

Could be a sidestep dodge? I don't know..

Mecha Soul · Feb 6, 2008

This is interesting, but it's probably just some kind of dashing pivot or something weird like that.

It's definitely not a spot dodge for obvious reasons, it's definitely not an airdodge for just as obvious reasons, and it's not a roll (he back rolls a couple seconds before, they're obviously not the same)

This might have some potential, anyways.

red stone · Feb 6, 2008

okay, i need someone to confirm these....sheik did not even once change direction during the alleged wavedash.

sheik was walking, not running when the alleged was performed

sheik could nearly instantly do a forward tilt after the alleged

pwnzorz · Feb 6, 2008

looks like a crouched sidestep dodge. Looks like Wavedashing though. nice find.

flying swordsman · Feb 6, 2008

Mmmmm....very interesting....

Betaz · Feb 6, 2008

I have a theory...

it could be something to do with crawling such as quickly crouching, then crawling backwards, then standing up again very quickly...but idk you would have to input this very fast and the thing is I don't know if there is some lag in between crawling and standing up....hmmmm...

Mecha Soul · Feb 6, 2008

here's a couple really quickly made gifs to show a backwards roll and the supposed "wavedash" (horrible quality xfd)

it really doesn't look like anything we know of at this point (not a sidestep/spot dodge, not an air dodge, not a roll)

Tristan_win · Feb 6, 2008

Interesting, after repeated tries to pause it I've found that sheik does in fact change directions for a spit second before changing directions with her tilt so it isn't a wavedash.

Vanusk · Feb 6, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKNKH7EpuLE

Betaz · Feb 6, 2008

Tristan_win said:
Interesting, after repeated tries to pause it I've found that sheik does in fact change directions for a spit second before changing directions with her tilt so it isn't a wavedash.

ah yes i see it now...it takes some tricky pausing but once you get it, it is blatantly obvious

yoshi_fan · Feb 6, 2008

Pokec said:
which is entirely the reason i posted this ^-^

thank god someone else noticed something....odd.

I also noticed it

So odd... :S

It's like he does a small jump and fall just after doing the jump :S

So is a odd dash dance?

DeuceBlade · Feb 6, 2008

Even if wavedashing was in it wouldn't be consistent, and would be easy to counter. This is brawl not melee.

User33 · Feb 6, 2008

Could be the breakthrough we are praying for

~GregDang!~ · Feb 6, 2008

I think it's just a backroll. Watch this vid of DDD around 00:17.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYmNmm-bNns
That's a backroll.

Amarkov · Feb 6, 2008

CaptainLove911 said:
I think it's just a backroll. Watch this vid of DDD around 00:17.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYmNmm-bNns
That's a backroll.

But it's not Sheik's backroll. Hers looks very different.

Tristan_win · Feb 6, 2008

Captainlove911 I can promise you that it isn't a back role but most likely a pivot or a new tech move.

SilintNinjya · Feb 6, 2008

CaptainLove911 said:
I think it's just a backroll. Watch this vid of DDD around 00:17.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYmNmm-bNns
That's a backroll.

so uh.....

wanna read the thread now?

DTR · Feb 6, 2008

people need to watch before saying its nothing

i think its interesting

~GregDang!~ · Feb 6, 2008

Srry bout that guys.

TrueRedemption · Feb 6, 2008

User33 said:
Could be the breakthrough we are praying for

Praying for a breakthrough seems a little over the top 0,o I just want the players who are lucky enough to have a copy to get a better grasp of things. Videos still show players working on changing over from SSBM, holding on to ideas and concepts that no longer apply as well in brawl. Precise techniques are developed by demand, once players need that faster/better controlled movement to win, they'll come out. Gameplay shouldn't breakthrough from the weird inbetween phase things are at now to the level SSBM is, but the next step would be comfortable fluid game play without much adv tech. That type of playing I believe and hope will open up the horizon, we'll see a game with more combos and changed concepts like ledge guarding and approach. In the PBody tournament youtube videos I watched today the champion didn't even seem to know about the diminishing returns of repeated moves...

Anyway enough daydreaming and back on topic, I'm actually really surprised some arrogant know it all hasn't satisfactorily taken this apart yet 0,o a thread basically full of interested people scratching their heads. Seems good news for those of you determined to know about advanced techs before you actually play the game. Anyone with a copy of SSBB able to chime in here maybe, not sure what a bunch of interested onlookers can really do beyond this.

pirkid · Feb 6, 2008

A quick waveland?

Short hop back to airdodge?

Can she jump that low?

wWw Dazwa · Feb 6, 2008

looks like sheik walked forward, dashed backwards, then did a pivot ftilt

can you pivot in this game?

ph00tbag · Feb 7, 2008

Dazwa said:
looks like sheik walked forward, dashed backwards, then did a pivot ftilt

can you pivot in this game?

Don't need to. You can just cancel a run or dash by turning around. He did this movement straight into a tilt.

izzy24 · Feb 7, 2008

i was just looking for ssbb videos when i came across this one, and when it happened i was like woah....*pause, rewind, pause, rewind, pause, rewind* was that what i thought it was.
AND I KNOW WD IS OUT, but something to that effect happened?

wWw Dazwa · Feb 7, 2008

ph00tbag said:
Don't need to. You can just cancel a run or dash by turning around. He did this movement straight into a tilt.

Then it's probably how I described it. Sheik's height while wavedashing (because of the crouch) is about the same as her height dashing, so the confusion makes sense.

Drclaw411 · Feb 7, 2008

Shiek did NOT wavedash.

not that important anyway. i virtually never wavedash because i know almost nobody who knows how, and i still do fine

i know wavedashing isnt supposed to be in...but this is interesting.

Smash Journeyman

Smash Ace

Smash Journeyman

Smash Journeyman

Smash Cadet

Smash Ace

Smash Journeyman

Smash Lord

Smash Master

Smash Ace

Smash Legend

Smash Ace

Smash Cadet

Smash Journeyman

Smash Lord

Smash Apprentice

Smash Ace

Smash Journeyman

Smash Rookie

Smash Ace

Smash Apprentice

Not dead.

Smash Rookie

Smash Ace

Smash Ace

Smash Champion

Smash Journeyman

Smash Master

Smash Apprentice

Not dead.

Smash Apprentice

Smash Journeyman

Smash Master

Smash Journeyman

Smash Lord

#BADMAN

C(ϾᶘϿ)Ͻ

Smash Ace

#BADMAN

Smash Lord

Information

Network