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Tripping (ink dropping)
- Thread starter m0dredus
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Well, I think it happens when you change directions quickly, I.E. Dash danceing.
But I'm not sure. . .
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
I saw it happen in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjV0UHZdk00 at 1:26. I think it might be done by walking in one direction and then dashing in the other.
jonkil
Smash Apprentice
i wounder if you could controll it would it be more of like a dodge then a trip? say fox comes dashing at you with a flying kick and you "trip" then he'd miss you wouldnt he?
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
The major aspect of this technique is that at E for All, someone named Ink somehow canceled the falling animation. If that's still in then basically it can be used like a wavedash (though I'm just going to stick to pivoting.)
Zauron
Smash Journeyman
Ugh. Out of date info in this thread.
The original assessment at E for All was wrong. It was confirmed the next day after "Ink Drop" was coined that the trip could NOT be cancelled, which is a major reason why the term largely went out of use. It was also never discovered exactly how to do it - it was thought to be a screwed up dash dance, but I've done it several times right out of an idle with no dashing involved.
Right now, I have not figured out how to trip - for me it usually happens when doing a forward smash or forward+B move, and the trip happens instead of the move I wonted, but I've also had it happen while not using any buttons and just running around. Its almost seeming to be random - everyone in our group has done it multiple times and not known why it happened. Its not an advanced technique, its either punishment for screwing something up or entirely random. It does nothing useful - you fall over, then roll back to your feet.
If anyone else that actually has played the game figures out how to trip, and more importantly, how to PREVENT tripping, please fill us in!
The original assessment at E for All was wrong. It was confirmed the next day after "Ink Drop" was coined that the trip could NOT be cancelled, which is a major reason why the term largely went out of use. It was also never discovered exactly how to do it - it was thought to be a screwed up dash dance, but I've done it several times right out of an idle with no dashing involved.
Right now, I have not figured out how to trip - for me it usually happens when doing a forward smash or forward+B move, and the trip happens instead of the move I wonted, but I've also had it happen while not using any buttons and just running around. Its almost seeming to be random - everyone in our group has done it multiple times and not known why it happened. Its not an advanced technique, its either punishment for screwing something up or entirely random. It does nothing useful - you fall over, then roll back to your feet.
If anyone else that actually has played the game figures out how to trip, and more importantly, how to PREVENT tripping, please fill us in!
darkNES386
Smash Lord
I really want to know more information about this. There's footage of yoshi (as a CPU tripping and then catching himself and turning it into a roll) There has to be some use for this move. Even if it's just another dodge move. I'll go find the footage and put it here for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about.
EDIT:
are these the same, yoshi just moves faster? or is yoshi doing something in the middle that mario is failing to do?
EDIT:
are these the same, yoshi just moves faster? or is yoshi doing something in the middle that mario is failing to do?
MajinNecro69
Smash Ace
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I sure HOPE you can control it, since randomly tripping would REALLY suck.
Shade-Hedgehog
Smash Rookie
It looks funny in a way. Doing this would really make you look like a noob.
Byakutsuki
Smash Rookie
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So does Ink dropping exist now? Some ppl say it does and some ppl say it doesn't... =.=
Things would be cleared up if someone came forth who... can say yes to either of these questions..
Does anyone actually know how to Ink Drop?
Does anyone know how to trip?
Things would be cleared up if someone came forth who... can say yes to either of these questions..
Does anyone actually know how to Ink Drop?
Does anyone know how to trip?
gnosis
Smash Lord
I love how Brawl is shaping up, but if tripping ends up being entirely random...
Brentos4o8
Smash Ace
That's what we're trying to find out.
Anyone who has the game and tries to figure it out claims that they don't know how it happens and is random.
Someone, please figure this out.
Goopygoo
Smash Ace
Tying your shoelaces might help.
Blatherskite
Smash Apprentice
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Do you use > + A to smash or the c-stick?
XSilvenX
Smash Lord
After playing it for a full day...I can only safely assume that it happens RANDOMLY. I've done it at the start of matches...while turning around from a dash...from trying to forward smash..whatever. It's completely random but I think there are ways to reduce the amount of it happening...
ChaosKnight
Smash Master
its from trying to dash dance you just fall down if you try
SqueakyMetal
Smash Cadet
if it really is random this could break smash bros
Byakutsuki
Smash Rookie
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I think there is a highly likely chance that tripping occurs when trying to execute some specific type of wave technique. The game will immediately force the character to trip as means to eliminate certain AT's =\
No, it really couldnt.
darkNES386
Smash Lord
Perhaps it's just something to prevent people from staying on the ground all the time? Isn't this game supposed to be more air based? I've watched some battles where characters never trip and they're doing all sorts of moves. Perhaps repeating a handful of moves to often in a row induces a trip?
wazgood
Smash Ace
this made me lol
kirborg
Smash Cadet
That's what i was thinking, it might be implented to prevent the same stale moves from being executed over and over. It might happen if a specific action (dashing, turning) is done too often during a short time span.
There's no reason to believe that it's random. I've heard people say that it never happens to them but a friend of theirs trips all the time, etc. It seems to me that it's a penalty for messing up a button input in some way, and people just don't know yet what mistake they're making because they're used to Melee.
Has anybody looked through the Japanese manual for info about it?
Has anybody looked through the Japanese manual for info about it?
Zauron
Smash Journeyman
In the cases where I've tripped doing a side smash or side B, I was using the normal stick and not the c-stick. As it happens more and more, I'm convinced its a result of tapping your stick to the side, i.e. the same motion as a dash. Its just sometimes the trip occurs even though I also pressed A or B at the same time, not intended a dash but just a smash or side-B in the direction I tapped.
I have still not nailed down any reliable way to reproduce or avoid doing it though.
I have still not nailed down any reliable way to reproduce or avoid doing it though.
tect
Smash Journeyman
hmmmmmmmm... from what i've gathered from other threads and vids, it seems random, but that gif animation about the yoshi rolling gives me hope
tect
Smash Journeyman
i heard attacking out of it doesn't work, perhaps in this thread. of course it would make sense if you meant AFTER the roll, but do you mean before you hit the ground?
SenorPresidente
Smash Ace
Brawl has only been out for a few days it still is too early to declare it as being random.
That theory of a player staying on the ground for too long does sound plausible. There must be something about tripping in the japanese strategy guides or instruction booklet..
Think about when you hit the ground without teching. That's the same effect that tripping has. You can push A or B to attack out of your neutral position.
It's random, but it only happens when you dash, obviously. Being on the gruond has nothing to do with it. I play aerially and it still happens to me. I play on the ground and it still happens to me.
S2
Smash Lord
Well I think after playing for only a day or two people shouldn't decide if its random or not. It may very well have a logical formula that leads to when you trip. Maybe it is random, but more often than not there is usually some sort of backwards logic to these things somewhere in the programming.
We'll find out eventually, but I get the feeling its going to take a while for someone to figure out exactly how it happens.
We'll find out eventually, but I get the feeling its going to take a while for someone to figure out exactly how it happens.
We have every reason to believe it's random, for the simple fact that we do not know what the developers were thinking when it was implemented.
(I personally would wager heavily that they added it because it just gives the characters more character, and adds a degree of comic effect; but there's no way to say I'm absolutely right.)
Because of this fact - that you can't see into the developers' minds - you cannot say it was made as a punishment for 'stale moves', or for staying on the ground, etc.
The only logical choice afterward is that it's random; and from what has been shown so far, it happens when you try to move.
That said - what exactly is wrong with something being random?
I realize; worst-case scenario, you'll lose a major tournament because your character randomly tripped during Sudden Death and you were plastered with a heavy hit, ensuring your opponent a KO... but how likely is this to happen?
Is it really that important to be able to cancel trips, or know the exact conditions that cause them just so you can avoid its occurrence? It seems kind of pointless.
My point is, there will always be factors you can't control - and the more you try to control everything, the less fun you'll have.
(I personally would wager heavily that they added it because it just gives the characters more character, and adds a degree of comic effect; but there's no way to say I'm absolutely right.)
Because of this fact - that you can't see into the developers' minds - you cannot say it was made as a punishment for 'stale moves', or for staying on the ground, etc.
The only logical choice afterward is that it's random; and from what has been shown so far, it happens when you try to move.
That said - what exactly is wrong with something being random?
I realize; worst-case scenario, you'll lose a major tournament because your character randomly tripped during Sudden Death and you were plastered with a heavy hit, ensuring your opponent a KO... but how likely is this to happen?
Is it really that important to be able to cancel trips, or know the exact conditions that cause them just so you can avoid its occurrence? It seems kind of pointless.
My point is, there will always be factors you can't control - and the more you try to control everything, the less fun you'll have.
geogaither
Smash Apprentice
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Every time we've had it happen, it seems completely random.
I've had it happen instead of rolling, i've had it happen while changing directions, i've had it happen while trying to smash attack.
None of use can figure it out for the life of us.
It's only an inconvenience, though, as the invincibility frames related to it don't really leave you all the vulnerable to attack.
I've had it happen instead of rolling, i've had it happen while changing directions, i've had it happen while trying to smash attack.
None of use can figure it out for the life of us.
It's only an inconvenience, though, as the invincibility frames related to it don't really leave you all the vulnerable to attack.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Do you think we could petition nintendo to have it removed? or at least made not random? It seems completely useless and can be very bad for competative play because of its random nature.
Eh, it's funny, and doesn't really change anything. I say it can stay.
I wonder if the Ice Climbers can trip up with those spiked shoes of theirs.