Activity has increased and I'll take this as a request.And as long as we're active the deadline will be lifted.
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Activity has increased and I'll take this as a request.And as long as we're active the deadline will be lifted.
I really don't see how that logic holds up. He would of investigated before day 2, so that pushes him forward for day 2. I really don't understand what you could mean by that.It's convenient that McCloud investigated the person who died night one, but I think it's just as convenient that Lance investigated the person he's accusing day 1.
When have I backed him up? Don't try and push me together with him just because I think his role-claim is more believable, for detailed reasons I already posted.Not to add that I think it's strange that Eor has been backing up Lance day 2.
Strange? I gave full reasons, all you've done so far is accuse me and Lance of being mafia but have yet to vote for anyone. I don't know why you would claim I was being suspicious for actually trying join in the game instead of letting Lance and McCloud spar for a week.Assuming Eor is mafia, it just seems that he purposely said that to make McCloud look even more suspicious and draw attention away from Lance. The next thing he posted was strange as well, read post #110.
If you think so, vote for me. You've blatantly claimed I was mafia twice now, but you have yet to vote. Why? You can say that your posts weren't forceful, but just about all that they were involved in was you pulling abstract plans that would involve me controlling every detail of the game to work off, and then just not voting.It just seems more likely that they're using their alliance on day 2 to nearly lynch McCloud, and trying as hard as they can to convince the people who are on the fence to hammer. Besides, I think both of them voted for McCloud much too quickly, while redcell and I still haven't voted, with the deadline quickly approaching.
I don't actually believe that there are 2 cops, I just wanted the reasoning, since one of you is lying.It would be absurd if there were two cops in a 7 person game, and it would completely wreck the balance in my opinion. I know Tom wouldn't do that, so there can only be one.
It's not because you supposedly find it more believable, it's because of the reasons you posted, I don't find them very convincing.When have I backed him up? Don't try and push me together with him just because I think his role-claim is more believable, for detailed reasons I already posted.
McCloud hadn't posted this at the time, but he's now stated why he investigated Handorin. It was basically because he knows Hando and pretty much just did it out of curiosity. If this had been later in the game, I'd probably call bullshit, but the reason he gave is a regular thing to do on day 1 when there aren't many leads. He probably didn't expect this game to go by so quickly, at least I didn't. I'm assuming you don't believe him, as you haven't taken your vote off of him.Lance came out with a vendetta against McCloud and immediately counter-claimed to McCloud's role. Micky said earlier that he didn't want the mafia to "sabotage his claims, but I see that as a crap excuse for him realizing he might be counter claimed. McCloud claims to be the cop, but he has no evidence to support it at all, he investigated Handorin, which is the only person he could claim to have investigated so he'd have no information.
This is the main problem I have with your reasoning, there's no way you could know this. As shown in the flash tutorial there are different variations to these 7-man games, so what makes you think that this is the variation with 2 vanillas, a cop, and a doc? It's just as likely that there is 1 cop and 4 vanillas. You're picking the most convenient variant that could get MC Loud lynched.If there are 2 mafia, then that means that tonight there will be two townies, and assuming McCloud is the cop then one of those 2 will be the doctor.
If 1 mafia convinced the townies to lynch another during the 2nd day it would've been 2 on each side. The mafia would then nightkill another townie during the night leaving 2 mafias to one townie, winning the game. This is assuming that there's 2 mafias and 3 townies right now, which I find more believable then 2 townies, 2 mafias, and an independent. It'd be one of the fastest ways to win the game.Why would a mafia come out and counter claim the real cop when they can just skim by during the day and use that info for the night kill...
I'm tired of ripping posts apart D=
Um, yea. I think me and McCloud are tired of going back and forth saying "NO U" over and over. With only us 2 playing the game, we can't move forward.
McCloud kept quoting and questioning everything Lance said, but Lance stopped. When Lance stopped arguing, you were the first to jump in and take his side, even though it was clear that McCloud was ready to keep hashing it out.That's cool. This Day'll be over soon and you guys will see that i've been telling the truth from the start.
I wanted to hear what other people said before making a decision, I thought that maybe someone would convince me that Lance isn't as suspicious as I think he is, but it didn't work out.I don't know why you would claim I was being suspicious for actually trying join in the game instead of letting Lance and McCloud spar for a week.
If you think so, vote for me. You've blatantly claimed I was mafia twice now, but you have yet to vote. Why?
I would've listened to what others who were watching the argument had to say before casting my vote, but you didn't. This'll just come down to playstyle.And too quick? I watched and read for five days their constant arguments. Five full days. They had even said that they were just about done arguing because there was nothing else to do, that they were spent. What was I suppose to do, just wait another ten days? They had already splurged all their information everywhere, I gave my reasons, I voted. There was no way you can try and say it's too soon.
I don't know how to respond to that, how could I? They are very put out and very well reasoned, if you have a problem with them then state why.It's not because you supposedly find it more believable, it's because of the reasons you posted, I don't find them very convincing.
I don't believe him because I don't believe he's the cop, for reasons I already stated. It's not a bad reason to investigated someone at all.McCloud hadn't posted this at the time, but he's now stated why he investigated Handorin. It was basically because he knows Hando and pretty much just did it out of curiosity. If this had been later in the game, I'd probably call bullshit, but the reason he gave is a regular thing to do on day 1 when there aren't many leads. He probably didn't expect this game to go by so quickly, at least I didn't. I'm assuming you don't believe him, as you haven't taken your vote off of him.
I don't read the tutorial, I haven't since the first mafia game. I'm not picking the most convenient one, I'm picking the one that has the cop and the doctor, the role's in every single game. Tom could of made one without a doc, like how I made a mafia game with the mafia didn't have an actual night-kill, but it's tomfoolery to say that thinking otherwise is manipulating.This is the main problem I have with your reasoning, there's no way you could know this. As shown in the flash tutorial there are different variations to these 7-man games, so what makes you think that this is the variation with 2 vanillas, a cop, and a doc? It's just as likely that there is 1 cop and 4 vanillas. You're picking the most convenient variant that could get MC Loud lynched.
Eh? McCloud posted saying that they needed more people to post, and then posted a recap. That's not the spirit of a fighting man. So I jumped into the argument and voted. You're acting like I popped up from behind and kicked him in the crotch instead of joining in.Not only that, but Lance backed off of the argument and turned to summaries when mcCLOUD pressured him.
McCloud kept quoting and questioning everything Lance said, but Lance stopped. When Lance stopped arguing, you were the first to jump in and take his side, even though it was clear that McCloud was ready to keep hashing it out.
I did post what I thought. You've been attacking me for joining in at all ever since.I wanted to hear what other people said before making a decision, I thought that maybe someone would convince me that Lance isn't as suspicious as I think he is, but it didn't work out.
It came down to actually playing the game, is what you mean, instead of lurking.I would've listened to what others who were watching the argument had to say before casting my vote, but you didn't. This'll just come down to playstyle.
He knew he was right. Eor's not the kind of player that would take a risk like that to mess up his team if he wasn't sure, or at least heard some arguments. Marshigo going after Eor wasn't really a great justification for making Lance not the cop. Yeah, that could have been something Marsh was doing to prepare for Day 3, but it's something that would have been good to do regardless of which cop claimer got lynched. His justification was that Marsh must have "known" his partner would somehow get lynched just because he was mafia is so weak. The argument had hardly been decided and really Lance did have a stronger position since you happened to investigate the player who died and hammered a townie right after Lance made a post that he just voted to get the deadline lifted.If I'm wrong I guess we loose, but at the moment I don't care
Is notVote: Eor
It's Eor.
I made a post defending myself against his accusations, and raising points about his odd behavior.Eor made a post in which he could make Marshigo look mafia
Why would I do that? Why would I waste my time attacking Marshigo, end the day, and then night kill Marshigo? There is nothing good there. If I was mafia there was no reason for me to hammer Lance, that'd of been the stupidest thing i could of done. The best chance the mafia had would of been to just wait for you to hammer Mccloud, or to at least wait for you to post. Instead I hammered him, because, through Marshigo's incredibly odd behavior, I doubted him. As I've outlined before.and then end the day with him not being able to argue back. Then, realizing that you would likely either investigate him or Marshigo, he killed him since if you investigated Eor it would all be over anyway, and killing him would waste your Marsh investigation.
I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I did think Lance had a better argument then McCloud, I did think McCloud was more suspicious, and if it wasn't for Marshigo I'd of still backed Lance. You attacking me for that is preposterous, you never voted for anyone but your posts were attacking McCloud, I could just as easily say you were backing Lance.Not to mention that he was backing Lance!
You were on the fence, but you saw no purpose in asking questions or responding to anything we were saying? How can we check that at all?I suppose you're also wondering why I was inactive. I was on the fence for both arguments, you vs. Lance and Marsh vs. Eor. I wanted the arguments to keep going on Day 2 because then it would be more obvious who the remaining mafia would be today, but Eor cut that short when he saw there was a possibility that I and Marsh would believe you were the cop instead of Lance.
Would a townie say the first part? "Don't listen just go with me"Don't listen to whatever he says, he's a big fat mafia-face. Though I'm sure you'll have to listen and we'll have some big argument, vote for him and we win.
Would a townie really say this?
Instead of you trying to tell people what my justification was, how about they just read what I posted my justification was. You claim Lance was less suspicious then McCloud (I agree), but then you attacked me for defending him. You say that I gambled, but I don't know how any vote I could of made wouldn't of been a gamble. Did I care? Well I wanted to win, but I was more apathetic towards it. Marshigo was attacking me, we had two claimed cops, and the only person that would of resolved it otherwise was busy lurking in the shadows for us to solve the situation without him having any blame in it. If I just wanted to end day 2 I would of voted against Lance as soon as Marshigo did. Instead I attacked Marshigo because I found his suspicious, please explain then if I was mafia why I'd attack him?Eor's not the kind of player that would take a risk like that to mess up his team if he wasn't sure, or at least heard some arguments. Marshigo going after Eor wasn't really a great justification for making Lance not the cop. Yeah, that could have been something Marsh was doing to prepare for Day 3, but it's something that would have been good to do regardless of which cop claimer got lynched. His justification was that Marsh must have "known" his partner would somehow get lynched just because he was mafia is so weak. The argument had hardly been decided and really Lance did have a stronger position since you happened to investigate the player who died and hammered a townie right after Lance made a post that he just voted to get the deadline lifted.
I'm not going to claim doctor because I'm not the doctor. I don't see why you would claim to have saved McCloud instead of Marshigo if you didn't think McCloud was going to be attacked, or why you claim to have knowledge of who the mafia was going to kill.Also, I'm the doctor. First night, I protected Eor since I figured the mafia would either kill a random player, a good player, or someone who might have had a power role and there was that one post he made where he didn't think there'd be many vanilla townies. Second night I protected you even though I figured Eor and Marshigio would target each other, I had to make sure your investigation went through.
I have no idea what that meansAnd I didn't claim doctor right away today because I thought there could be some situation where you might choose to no-lynch in the hopes that the mafia would target you that night but the doctor would protect you, and you investigate someone that night and win the next day. But the mafia would just go for the guaranteed kill and then it'd either be a draw (or a race?) or like a tie for that day then the mafia kills you that night so we lose.
I already answered that in depth, I don't know how you want me to respond to that. But, to restate, Marshigo attacked only me over Lance, which doesn't make sense, so I thought it was a plan. I was wrong, I stated this.Eor: Why the flip flop, to be honest, it looks really suspicious.
That doesn't make any sense, if I was mafia with Lance I would have no reason to kill him. Give me one possible reason that would make any sense, you only need another vote to kill you. You're suggesting that my mafia strategy was that I chose to kill my only ally instead of the cop. I don't suck at this game.To me it seems like you two saw you had a good chance of winning and decided that offing Lance would be a good trade.
You killed your partner to look town, duh. And you didn't lynch McCloud right away because then you would be too obviously partnered with Lance. Once Lance had claimed cop against McCloud he was done for, either that day or the next. You argued for McCloud's lynch, but you and Lance needed another vote on him. But when Marshigio came out against you both it looked like it might not happen, and you knew you'd be stuck in the endgame vs. two townies when you were backing Lance the most so you needed to do something drastic to distance yourself from him so you could convince one of the other townies today to lynch the other guy.That doesn't make any sense, if I was mafia with Lance I would have no reason to kill him. Give me one possible reason that would make any sense, you only need another vote to kill you. You're suggesting that my mafia strategy was that I chose to kill my only ally instead of the cop. I don't suck at this game.
That is the whole thing. You can say I'm mafia and find things to back it up, but when you look at everything else, it doesn't make sense. It's not just "Eor is mafia", it's "Eor is mafia, chose to kill his only partner instead of the cop, then refused to night kill the cop and got the one person he argued against, because he wanted everyone to be suspicious of him". Killing Marshigo makes no sense if I'm mafia, the only scenario that makes sense is that Redcell knew that and killed him to make me the next lynch.
You killed your partner to look town, duh. And you didn't lynch McCloud right away because then you would be too obviously partnered with Lance. Once Lance had claimed cop against McCloud he was done for, either that day or the next. You argued for McCloud's lynch, but you and Lance needed another vote on him. But when Marshigio came out against you both it looked like it might not happen, and you knew you'd be stuck in the endgame vs. two townies when you were backing Lance the most so you needed to do something drastic to distance yourself from him so you could convince one of the other townies today to lynch the other guy.
There was no guarantee of a doctor, and since I'm not and Marshy isn't we know there isn't one.The reason you didn't kill McCloud was because he successfully claimed cop and would probably be protected by the doctor. I protected him because if he investigated anyone other than the player who got nightkilled it would be an instant victory. You killed Marshigo because you had just accused him of being mafia while lynching someone you knew was mafia, and you ended the day without allowing any deliberation on your accusation so you directed McCloud's investigation toward him, and killing him wasted that investigation.
Sent to Handorin said:You are Ben Domino, plain citizen and passenger of Flight 001. You are town aligned and win if the town win.
Sent to spam_master said:You are Neil Smith, plain citizen and passenger of Flight 001. You are town aligned and win if the town win.
Sent to Marshigio said:You are Ed Hicks, plain citizen and passenger of Flight 001. You are town aligned and win if the town win.
Sent to McCloud said:You are Jean-Pierre Marvel, world-renowned detective; you will play the role of the cop. Every night, you are allowed to choose one other passenger to investigate. You will be told if that passenger is town aligned or mafia aligned. You are town aligned and win if the town win.
Sent to tmw_redcell said:You are Timothy Davis, M.D.; you will play the role of the doctor. Every night, you are allowed to choose one other passenger to take care of. If that other passenger is the target of a killing, you will revive him. You are town aligned and win if the town win.
Sent to Lance87 said:You are James Lumise, younger brother of Jonathan Lumise of the infamous Lumise Family, the hijackers of Flight 001. You are allowed to communicate with your brother Jonathan (Eor). As the younger brother, you trust Jonathan to send your collective choice for your night hit unless he is dead. You are mafia aligned and win if the mafia win.
Those are the role PMs that were sent out.Sent to Eor said:You are Jonathan Lumise, older brother of James Lumise of the infamous Lumise Family, the hijackers of Flight 001. You are allowed to communicate with your brother James (Lance87). As the older brother, you will be the one to send me your collective choice for your night hit unless you are dead. You are mafia aligned and win if the mafia win.
I hadn't really thought about a doc role because it seemed unimportant at the time, I just brought it up to make you look more suspicious.I really didn't think there'd be a doc in the game, I believed Marshigo and thought that Tom would of skipped it (also, when the hell did Marshigo get good? Not prepared at all for that, props).
<3 Eor!(and I don't, I love Marshigo. You can ask him).