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Compilation of New Techniques/Discoveries (Updated 3.17.08)
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SiD
Smash Master
You can still up B after the stun wears off, which happens quicker than Melee, but I'm pretty sure you can't acutally cancel anything.
The Mediator
Smash Journeyman
This thread is awesome...
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crazyasian31
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is that leap thingy going to be any use?
(when you press jump right above an opponents head and they get stunned for a little and you bounce off them)
(when you press jump right above an opponents head and they get stunned for a little and you bounce off them)
I'm not sure if this counts as an advanced technique, but while Olimar is doing his down + B move, [whistle], he gains some frames in which if he gets attacked, he will take damage but no knockback. When "Whistle Armor Canceling" on the air as opposed to on the ground, he has less ending lag but less total invincibility frames, it seems.
Source :
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=147749
Source :
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=147749
Blad01
Smash Lord
Chaotic Yoshi
Smash Lord
Important parts are bolded. I'm sure many character have the potential of something like this.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWMyvVaAWZU
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=4104866&postcount=259
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWMyvVaAWZU
tedward2000
Smash Champion
in response to MookieRah's report on Lucario, I did in fact notice that Lucario could preform his arial down A (double kick) millimeters above the gorund, and still have the same effect, as if the move was preformed in a full jump. And concluding move can be "chain jumped" at this micro-hight.
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
A move popularized in the Sonic thread but not Sonic specific:
Stutter-stepping
What it is:
A short move or step forward before a smashing attack. Rather akin to a wavedash but not as obvious.
How to do it:
Smash the control stick left or right and then smash the c-stick in the direction you wish to smash.
Other notes:
This works with both forward and up-smashes.
Down smashes or late executions of a forward smash will result in a dash attack.
Late executions of an up-smash will result in a hyphen smash (up smash with forward momentum).
To increase the range, smash the control stick in the same direction as the direction you want to smash.
Characters like Sonic and Fox that can move a good distance in their initial dash startup will benefit the most from stutter stepping; whereas characters like Ice Climbers and DeDeDe have almost no use for the technique.
Stutter-stepping
What it is:
A short move or step forward before a smashing attack. Rather akin to a wavedash but not as obvious.
How to do it:
Smash the control stick left or right and then smash the c-stick in the direction you wish to smash.
Other notes:
This works with both forward and up-smashes.
Down smashes or late executions of a forward smash will result in a dash attack.
Late executions of an up-smash will result in a hyphen smash (up smash with forward momentum).
To increase the range, smash the control stick in the same direction as the direction you want to smash.
Characters like Sonic and Fox that can move a good distance in their initial dash startup will benefit the most from stutter stepping; whereas characters like Ice Climbers and DeDeDe have almost no use for the technique.
Vortok
Smash Journeyman
General Mechanic:
For almost all characters, if they get hit after using their Up B (or Side B in some cases) while they are in the disabled state, they'll be able to use their second jump IF they had not used it prior to the first Up B, along with being able to do everything else you can normally do (aka, attacks, another up B, whatever). Basically means that attacking with an Up B is slightly less risky, since if you get hit you'll have your second jump to get back instead of only an Up B.
The exceptions, who lose their second jump until touching the ground upon using their Up B, are as follows:
Link
Toon Link
Snake
Pikachu
Pit
Zamus*
For Link/Toon Link, it's only if it's an aerial Up B. Doing it on the ground and getting hit lets you keep your second jump. When Pit uses his Up B, he loses any jumps he hasn't used. If he gets damaged during his Up B, he cannot use it again unless he touches the ground/grabs a ledge (and won't have his jumps of course, either). Zamus doesn't have a disabled state, and thus won't really lose her second jump. I placed her there because even if she gets hit, it will not restore her Down B flip jump if she's already used it.
For almost all characters, if they get hit after using their Up B (or Side B in some cases) while they are in the disabled state, they'll be able to use their second jump IF they had not used it prior to the first Up B, along with being able to do everything else you can normally do (aka, attacks, another up B, whatever). Basically means that attacking with an Up B is slightly less risky, since if you get hit you'll have your second jump to get back instead of only an Up B.
The exceptions, who lose their second jump until touching the ground upon using their Up B, are as follows:
Link
Toon Link
Snake
Pikachu
Pit
Zamus*
For Link/Toon Link, it's only if it's an aerial Up B. Doing it on the ground and getting hit lets you keep your second jump. When Pit uses his Up B, he loses any jumps he hasn't used. If he gets damaged during his Up B, he cannot use it again unless he touches the ground/grabs a ledge (and won't have his jumps of course, either). Zamus doesn't have a disabled state, and thus won't really lose her second jump. I placed her there because even if she gets hit, it will not restore her Down B flip jump if she's already used it.
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
General game mechanic:
Most b moves and some down-b moves can be turned/maneuvered while on the ground or in the air.
There are two basic ways of doing it which produce similar results but with some important differences:
(1)While facing one direction, tap b and immediately smash the opposite direction on the control stick. This can be done while in the air and will work for almost all b moves, and when done in the air will generally result in the character moving quickly backwards which is useful for spacing.
(2)While in the air, tap the opposite direction you are facing and then tap b. This is the more commonly known game mechanic and makes certain b-turns possible that are not possible through method (1) such as Samus's charge shot.
Notable down-b's that can be used through this method are game and watch's bucket and pikachu's thunder.
Credit goes to WarbL for the Pikachu-thunder find.
Most b moves and some down-b moves can be turned/maneuvered while on the ground or in the air.
There are two basic ways of doing it which produce similar results but with some important differences:
(1)While facing one direction, tap b and immediately smash the opposite direction on the control stick. This can be done while in the air and will work for almost all b moves, and when done in the air will generally result in the character moving quickly backwards which is useful for spacing.
(2)While in the air, tap the opposite direction you are facing and then tap b. This is the more commonly known game mechanic and makes certain b-turns possible that are not possible through method (1) such as Samus's charge shot.
Notable down-b's that can be used through this method are game and watch's bucket and pikachu's thunder.
Credit goes to WarbL for the Pikachu-thunder find.
Um i dunno if this is really a true technique but i noticed this with olimar that you can use your tether recovery as an edgeguard
ex. olimar is tethered to the edge marth is recovering ... marth uses up B and tries to hit olimar attempting to get the edge ... olimar then uses A to get to the edge giving him invincibility frames and dodging marth's up B... olimar stays on edge till marth passes by the edge and thus death...
um i guess it would be situational but from what i've seen it works
ex. olimar is tethered to the edge marth is recovering ... marth uses up B and tries to hit olimar attempting to get the edge ... olimar then uses A to get to the edge giving him invincibility frames and dodging marth's up B... olimar stays on edge till marth passes by the edge and thus death...
um i guess it would be situational but from what i've seen it works
GreenEggs&Ham
Smash Cadet
My new technique
When will this be updated? I'd like to add a new technique I have not seen posted anywhere. I had recorded videos on my SD card but I'm not sure if I can upload them on to my PC, otherwise ill record it with my cam but it won't be the greatest quality, I'd like to upload with good quality so you can all see my new tech clearly.
When will this be updated? I'd like to add a new technique I have not seen posted anywhere. I had recorded videos on my SD card but I'm not sure if I can upload them on to my PC, otherwise ill record it with my cam but it won't be the greatest quality, I'd like to upload with good quality so you can all see my new tech clearly.
It wont actually save the video data on the SD card, that would take up lots of space. What it does is, it saves the movements you make in a perfect sequence along with items and everything then it just re creates the whole event every time you Replay (so it needs the Wii and the game to recreate your replay)
SuPeRCuSsIoN
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the fox advanced techs need to be updated. check fox thread for more techs. like shtl, ledge-instantshine, and jumpshine stuff
IceEmblem
Smash Journeyman
wow thanks this was really helpful.
HaVoK x
Smash Rookie
nice thanks
GreenEggs&Ham
Smash Cadet
My new technique
Alright I'm going to try and have the video out before 5pm [EASTERN TIME]. I have a way of recording it but it doesn't come out that great from my cam, I have a wire with a video cable to it but I don't think that'll help me much... any suggestions? otherwise I'll just upload it with the crummy quality.
Alright I'm going to try and have the video out before 5pm [EASTERN TIME]. I have a way of recording it but it doesn't come out that great from my cam, I have a wire with a video cable to it but I don't think that'll help me much... any suggestions? otherwise I'll just upload it with the crummy quality.
GreenEggs&Ham
Smash Cadet
My new technique
I'll be posting here and in the Falco forum, and most likely make my own topic on my find... so be on the look out guys, tell me what you think...
I'll be posting here and in the Falco forum, and most likely make my own topic on my find... so be on the look out guys, tell me what you think...
Flaming Dragon Wang
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I have a question. How does one perform a Dashing Shield Grab as mentioned in the Dedede chaingrab info?
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
It's pretty easy. Run forward, release the control stick to the neutral position, hit "R/L" to shield and cancel your momentum, hit "a" to shield grab.
vipersrage
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Captain Olimar Technique
i dont know if this technique has already been posted in this thread because i didnt want to read it all, and its not in the list at the beginning.
the technique is where you use captain olimars down + b to cancel knock back from moves. if you time his down + b right the knock back of the hit will be nonexistent. i have tried this several times in training when i had 999% and was on the ground only, i do not know if this works in air. i believe there are some youtube videos out there, that i am too lazy to find at the moment, demonstrating this technique.
i dont know what to call it, and im not gonna give it a name because i didnt make it up.
i cant wait to get good at using this so i can abuse it! =P
i dont know if this technique has already been posted in this thread because i didnt want to read it all, and its not in the list at the beginning.
the technique is where you use captain olimars down + b to cancel knock back from moves. if you time his down + b right the knock back of the hit will be nonexistent. i have tried this several times in training when i had 999% and was on the ground only, i do not know if this works in air. i believe there are some youtube videos out there, that i am too lazy to find at the moment, demonstrating this technique.
i dont know what to call it, and im not gonna give it a name because i didnt make it up.
i cant wait to get good at using this so i can abuse it! =P
Originally Posted by Dmbrandon
Most characters can do this. We know the spacies can't. How it works:
Jab once of twice, and during the last few frames of the second jab, you can shield quickly (Press the button, the shield shouldn't appear) and break it into either another jab, tilt, smash jump, grab or roll. People like Ike, and DeDeDe use this to it's maximum potential.
spacies can do this, their jabs just need to connect
Most characters can do this. We know the spacies can't. How it works:
Jab once of twice, and during the last few frames of the second jab, you can shield quickly (Press the button, the shield shouldn't appear) and break it into either another jab, tilt, smash jump, grab or roll. People like Ike, and DeDeDe use this to it's maximum potential.
spacies can do this, their jabs just need to connect
I had just recently noticed something VERY interesting. The CPU also does RAR's. I was recently versing a ROB, when he got the smashball and attacked with RAR while I was behind him. Does this mean it was supposed to be put into the game?
I'll try and get a video of it soon.
I'll try and get a video of it soon.
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
And edit should be made to the reverse jump entry.
Dash forward, hit the jump button, smash back on the control stick immediately afterwards. So, instead of flying towards your opponent with your back to them, you fly away from your opponent while facing them.
Both use the same game principle that ground momentum is not transfered to the air.
So a variation on the reverse jump is:TwinkleToes said:
Dash forward, hit the jump button, smash back on the control stick immediately afterwards. So, instead of flying towards your opponent with your back to them, you fly away from your opponent while facing them.
Both use the same game principle that ground momentum is not transfered to the air.
GreenEggs&Ham
Smash Cadet
Dashing Shield
If the Dashing Shield is here, how come the Dashing Dodge isn't?
If the Dashing Shield is here, how come the Dashing Dodge isn't?
leafgreen386
Dirty camper
Because.... the ability to do a dashing dodge would be implied by the existence of a dashing shield?
The Mediator
Smash Journeyman
There is an EXTREMELY good chance that you're talking about Super Armor Frames (SAF), in which case, yes, we already knew about it.
ham-tomato
Smash Rookie
Probably been said but I would like to post an addition to the diminished attacks section. Namely that attacking structures and objects in levels counts on the tracker. So if, for example, I am playing Luigi''s Mansion, I can spam A on the pillars to replenish the strength of my other moves. This would seem very helpful in 1v1's where you will have time to nearly fully recharge by the time your opponent returns from dying.
If it was already mentioned I must have missed it, nice find.
MrPancakes
Smash Rookie
Does this really make sense? I was wondering about if your attacks get stale if you attacked projectiles or objects, like Wario's Bike, Pikmin, the gyro thingy XP
What really confused me was these facts together. Say for example, if you were to hit Olimar's Pikmen, would that dimish your attack againest Olimar or the Pikmen, or both?
Burnt_Thimble
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New Technique:
I'm going to quote from the DOJO, the bowser special move update when its talking about his side B
"The effectiveness of this resistance depends on the damage gauge. The less damage the opponent has, the stronger he or she will be able to resist."
It turns out this is not limited to just flipping bowser over on his attack, but rather to all grabs. So therefore if your enemy is at a higher percent you can simply grab him for longer before he is able to break free. This can help more advanced players add on more damage using additional grab attacks before throwing an opponent.
For more extreme results try it in training at set their damage to 0%, grab and hit the a button repeatedly its around a 4 hit combo before they are released. Now set them to 999% and repeat. You'll find that the average combo is around 70.
I'm going to quote from the DOJO, the bowser special move update when its talking about his side B
"The effectiveness of this resistance depends on the damage gauge. The less damage the opponent has, the stronger he or she will be able to resist."
It turns out this is not limited to just flipping bowser over on his attack, but rather to all grabs. So therefore if your enemy is at a higher percent you can simply grab him for longer before he is able to break free. This can help more advanced players add on more damage using additional grab attacks before throwing an opponent.
For more extreme results try it in training at set their damage to 0%, grab and hit the a button repeatedly its around a 4 hit combo before they are released. Now set them to 999% and repeat. You'll find that the average combo is around 70.
leafgreen386
Dirty camper
>_>
This game mechanic is very very old. It was well known you could rotate your control stick and press buttons to get out of a grab quicker in melee, and it's pretty common knowledge this has carried over to brawl. For all I know it may have been in the n64 game, too. So yeah, not new whatsoever.
megamanexev3
Smash Journeyman
I don't see the Zap Jump up there. There's a youtube video showing it well. As Lucas, it works best if L is set to jump and the C Stick is set to special. Jump, then at the same time, jump and use your PK fire. You should jump really really high.
vipersrage
Smash Rookie
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alright cool
Snakeee
Smash Master
Dude that's just a dashing grab lol. Keep trying to find things though... not gonna flame you (well I'm not)
Nemireck
Smash Cadet
His point is that the more damaged you are, the longer it takes to break free. Not that you can mash the joystick around to break free. Or are you saying the mechanic he's pointing out doesn't WORK because you can wiggle out of a grab quickly no matter how damaged you are? Either you didn't read his post properly, or you haven't been clear enough in your reply.
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