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Are you happy with the Link Between Worlds redesign?

  • Yes, she's gorgeous and expressive.

    Votes: 170 61.8%
  • No, Breath of the Wild had such potential.

    Votes: 50 18.2%
  • No, Twilight Princess death stare Zelda was the best design.

    Votes: 36 13.1%
  • I'm happy with any design, just as long as she's viable,

    Votes: 19 6.9%

  • Total voters
    275

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What's happening Naoto fans? :ultzelda:



If Zelda will forever remain bad, she'll basically end up being the Roll of Smash. Well it's better then being the Yukiko of Smash. :secretkpop:

Then again, being the Roll of Smash is just as worse though.

Anyway, not that long now till Smash comes out, it's going to be great.

 

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My free pull on the Ward banner was a +spd -def Lewyn??? I was actually trying to get Brave Ike for that Steady Breath fodder. I've never pulled a Lewyn before, so this one is my first. He's a fun unit to use. Forseti is stupidly good, and combined with Special Spiral, he nukes basically everyone. I really like him and am happy to have him now.




I preordered Ultimate back when Amazon still took $10 off all preorders, but it still hasn't shipped. I'm kind of anxious that it won't get delivered on release day. I guess if it really comes down to it, I could always go to the store on Friday and buy a copy, then return the Amazon one later. Aside from MM3D, I haven't had any issues with getting games on release day from Amazon, so hopefully everything will be okay. Idk I've read a lot of horror stories on reddit and they're making me nervous about it lol.
 
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Nice to see all the old faces. Been a while gorls.

Looking forward my first PTO on Friday to lab our queen to hell and back.

I preordered Ultimate back when Amazon still took $10 off all preorders, but it still hasn't shipped. I'm kind of anxious that it won't get delivered on release day. I guess if it really comes down to it, I could always go to the store on Friday and buy a copy, then return the Amazon one later. Aside from MM3D, I haven't had any issues with getting games on release day from Amazon, so hopefully everything will be okay. Idk I've read a lot of horror stories on reddit and they're making me nervous about it lol.
They don't ship until close to release because they don't want to risk orders accidentally being delivered before release date. You'll be fine, Amazon has always made release day in my experience.
 

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Hi I played a bit of Sm4sh today for the first time in a while and I took 2 stocks off a Kirby player in a single game by footstool gimping them so I'm doing gud.
I have returned from my extended slumber and am SO glad to see these familiar faces back instead of the 90% new people when Ultimate was announced. :shades: Jk, we welcome all the new Zeldas we can get bc they've got taste. Of course Fujin returned, but now I wonder what happened to Macchiato or whatever his name was. I always forget.

Anywas, can't wait to lab her out with you guys and find new (impractical) combos and tech! You guys know the drill by now. :secretkpop:
Nice to see all the old faces. Been a while gorls.
Welcome back old gorlos
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My free pull on the Ward banner was a +spd -def Lewyn??? I was actually trying to get Brave Ike for that Steady Breath fodder. I've never pulled a Lewyn before, so this one is my first. He's a fun unit to use. Forseti is stupidly good, and combined with Special Spiral, he nukes basically everyone. I really like him and am happy to have him now.
Oooooo nice!
I got B!Ike off of the banner. I already have a spare but now I have 2 yey. 1 is absolutely saved for Forsyth whenever he releases, and the second one idk yet.
They don't ship until close to release because they don't want to risk orders accidentally being delivered before release date. You'll be fine, Amazon has always made release day in my experience.
Meanwhile I've had the opposite experience. I preordered games from them for 6 years and not a single one delivered on release day. The first game was Mario Galaxy 2, the last one was Kirby Planet Robobot, and in between was stuff like Mariokart 8, Splatoon, and Kirby Triple Deluxe. I've given up on them forever. Meanwhile I've preordered from other stores like Gamestop and Best Buy and every single one of my orders from them have come on release day, so it's definitely possible. And Amazon has a distribution center that's only about a 5 minute drive from my house so it's not like it SHOULD take an extra 4 days to deliver it or anything.

Anyways speaking of Kirby, has anyone played the new Star Allies update because wow that's some good stuff right there.
 

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Pretty sure most of you gorls heard, Tumblr will be removing adult content. All my content that's featured (and getting me 11 dollars a month somehow) is G-Rated Bara. So I'm safe ofc.

Tumblr: Even though 30% of Tumblr is for porn, we're removing XXX content. So naughty pictures go bye-bye.
Me, a G-Rated Bara Curator who doesn't enjoy having to sift through nawtee pictures to find wholesome G-rated bara:



Me moments prior to nearly 75% of my Tumblie being flagged as adult content somehow:
zeldamemegarbo1.jpg



Here's an example of the type of things being flagged, a G-Rated XXX-Rated "College Ike" Bara Boi :

You can tell he's a college boi because he has a book and glasses. You can tell he's Ike because his hair is blue and he has Ike's headband around his wrist for some reason. Yep. That's the only criteria that needs to be met to be a College Boi Ike. And also a L E W D and N A W T E E XXX-Rated boi.
(btw McKnightlíght McKnightlíght because it's Ike :secretkpop:)
 

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They don't ship until close to release because they don't want to risk orders accidentally being delivered before release date. You'll be fine, Amazon has always made release day in my experience.
I think the only games I've preordered from Amazon are MM3DS, Mario Odyssey, and now Smash Ultimate. I believe Mario Odyssey arrived on release day, but I remember MM3DS being delivered like 2 or 3 days late. I tried to check my Amazon history to see if I was remembering that correctly, but apparently delivery dates aren't saved on Amazon after the order is archived or whatever. Regardless, Ultimate still hasn't shipped, so I'm just hoping it ships later today or tomorrow and gets delivered to me on time.

Meanwhile I've had the opposite experience. I preordered games from them for 6 years and not a single one delivered on release day. I've given up on them forever.
Yeah, I probably won't preorder from them again. I only did it for that juicy $10 off, but now that they stopped that (or changed it; I think now you have to wait a while and then they give you like $10 Amazon credit lol). It's just so much easier to drive to my local GameStop or whatever and just pick up the game when my classes are over instead of waiting for the USPS to deliver it.

Oooooo nice!
I got B!Ike off of the banner. I already have a spare but now I have 2 yey. 1 is absolutely saved for Forsyth whenever he releases, and the second one idk yet.
Yeah, Lewyn is really cool. I've been wanting Steady Breath fodder for a while now (so I can finally build up Lukas or maybe even Summer Marx), but I've only pulled one Brave Ike ever. I do have an extra Warding Breath, but it's not a particularly useful skill, so I haven't given it to anyone yet. Maybe I'll give it to Garon since he can actually be merged now idk.
 
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Pretty sure most of you gorls heard, Tumblr will be removing adult content. All my content that's featured (and getting me 11 dollars a month somehow) is G-Rated Bara. So I'm safe ofc.

Tumblr: Even though 30% of Tumblr is for porn, we're removing XXX content. So naughty pictures go bye-bye.
Me, a G-Rated Bara Curator who doesn't enjoy having to sift through nawtee pictures to find wholesome G-rated bara:



Me moments prior to nearly 75% of my Tumblie being flagged as adult content somehow:
View attachment 181599


Here's an example of the type of things being flagged, a G-Rated XXX-Rated "College Ike" Bara Boi :

You can tell he's a college boi because he has a book and glasses. You can tell he's Ike because his hair is blue and he has Ike's headband around his wrist for some reason. Yep. That's the only criteria that needs to be met to be a College Boi Ike. And also a L E W D and N A W T E E XXX-Rated boi.
(btw McKnightlíght McKnightlíght because it's Ike :secretkpop:)
How dare you make me look at a semi-nude lad just to lie to me about this being College Ike. I will never forgive you for this.
 

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How dare you make me look at a semi-nude lad just to lie to me about this being College Ike. I will never forgive you for this.
It was in quotations and further described as bara. From a G-Rated bara collection.



HunTy pls, yew knew whaT yew were gonnTa see.

tbh the most offensive part of it is that the artist meant to draw Ike - described this as a nerdy Ike from FE - but he doesn't look like Ike. But that might be because the art style clearly isn't suited for Ike since FE is essentially medieval anime and occasionally a dating simulator/husbando+waifu collector. Oopsie.
 

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Actually everything is blocked on my computer except for a few key phrases.

"College Ike"
"Zelda is Garbage"
"Zelda is Trash"
"Zelda is Tr4sh"
"PHIL/BERSERKER'S FOOT IV: Frisky Feet"
"Zelda is bad"
"BAN•ZELDA"
"Fuujin"
"FreeFuujin"
"Fujin"
"FreeFujin"
"#FreeFujin2018"
"Real life Sailor Moon"
"Sailor Moon Body Pillow"
"Fuujin Body Pillow"
"Fujin Body Pillow"

and of course

"Lavani's Smash Fact of the Day"
 

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I played Sm4sh free-for-alls today (and probably the last ones I'll play before Ultimate) and got a double kill with a single elevator, so can we just BAN•ZELDA from the game now? It literally only has 1 more day to live, why not make the most of it tbh.
Also mfw I'm making a name for myself again as that 1 guy who plays Wii Fit Trainer, and people are actually getting scared of her
 
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GUYS GUYS GUYS!

I got Smash Ultimate today. :yeahboi:

I was expecting to get it tomorrow, but I got it a day early! :yeahboi:

This is going to be great. I'll try and unlock Lucina, Wolf and Shulk. But first, I'll do some Uni work. Ultimate will be my way of taking a break.

 

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Actually everything is blocked on my computer except for a few key phrases.

"College Ike"
"Zelda is Garbage"
"Zelda is Trash"
"Zelda is Tr4sh"
"PHIL/BERSERKER'S FOOT IV: Frisky Feet"
"Zelda is bad"
"BAN•ZELDA"
"Fuujin"
"FreeFuujin"
"Fujin"
"FreeFujin"
"#FreeFujin2018"
"Real life Sailor Moon"
"Sailor Moon Body Pillow"
"Fuujin Body Pillow"
"Fujin Body Pillow"

and of course

"Lavani's Smash Fact of the Day"
Fuujin Tho.png Fuujin Tho.png Fuujin Tho.png
Half of those phrases are more scandalous than any bara boi I've posted or any yuri gorl that EODM07 EODM07 posted.

Fuujin Tho.png Fuujin Tho.png Fuujin Tho.png
 

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I originally got a physical copy preordered but decided to get a digital copy downloaded earlier today so I can play it at midnight and pick up the physical copy tomorrow. probably not the smartest thing I have done money wise but a backup copy never hurts I guess lol.
 

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Yeah man, just stop thinking and chew on dried squid. :p


Tae Yamada, the weirdo zombie chewing the dried squid, is voiced by Mitsuishi Kotono, Tsukino Usagi's aka Sailor Moon's voice actress for almost all of her appearances. Apparently Araki Kae stood in when Mitsuishi had appendicitis.

So, Devil May Cry V's TGA trailer was leaked ahead of time and man, it was hella badass. The official trailer is up now, but I couldn't help myself for an earlier watch of it.
They finally revealed V's gameplay and people said that his gameplay reminded them of Chaos Legion which was developed by Capcom with his ability to summon demons and other familars to fight. Others said they were reminded of DmC Vergil and I want to say that he reminds me of DMC4: SE Vergil since V wasn't shown moving around much unlike Dante, Nero, and even Vergil himself in DMC4: SE.

V was shown mostly standing around or walking slowly while his summons fought for him. So, V's capable of teleporting and it also looks like he can use Summoned Swords or a variation of it which with his slow, almost methodical movement, reminded of Vergil and his Concentration Gauge in DMC4: SE where the more calm and precise you were with Vergil, the stronger his moves became. As a result, it encouraged flawless and impeccable gameplay which is quite fitting for Vergil unlike with Dante and Nero where you went ham on people and sometimes with a rhythm in Nero's case with his Red Queen's Exceed mechanic.

A neat thing about V is that one of the summons he has is the Shadow, a demonic panther. Shadows apparently haven't been in the game since DMC1 and they rarely appeared as the wiki says they only show up in two secret missions. I didn't even know they existed before V showed up with a panther by his side. I thought it was something new or original to him.

My favorite thing about V has to be his combat theme because it reminds me of the TGS 2010 in-house music used for the announcement of DmC: Devil May Cry. That song I believed was never released, but although DmC's initial trailer didn't look that great, the song really helped sell the idea of DmC being pretty damn gritty and perhaps punk-ish if the music was of that genre. Unfortunately, we never saw that grittier version of DmC.

Also, V has a blue bird friend that sounds like an *******. In other words, Falco has invaded another game. :p
 

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Sew I stayed up to play the game the minute it was available with my brother.

The second or third char we unlocked was Zelda.

Could not be more blessT.

I have thoughts on ha (read: I’m liking the changes mostly so far!) but it’s late so maybe tomorrow sistren!

Edit: plot twist! I spat out some stuff that’s came to mind after playing 30m-1hr
Honestly the Zelda Uthrow KO hype feels fraudulent af atm (it was killing much earlier than old Uthrow but more like 150%, not some M2 kill sh**.) Bthrow seems nice tho. Also free momentum on Nayru and FW feels pretty amazing. Phantom seems to have potential but I’m still getting used to the moves changes.

I know we said Ftilt got an endlag nerf at one point but it feels ‘exactly’ the same speed as S4. Dtilt is faster but I couldn’t hit anything by the edge for the life of me. Feels like some hitbox nerfing or secret anti-Ledge poke mechanic.

LK felt surprisingly easy to hit, but the aerial controls were really laggy and never executed when I actually wanted to so I barely landed any lol. UAIr feels awfully clunky like it takes double the time to hit, but I think it’s just aerial pooping out like with LKs.

Run cancel Utilt Zelda feels like the future. I said it first.
 
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Okay before I go to bed, since it seems like basically anyone can be in this game now I'll give my 1 random pick.
Tracer is going to be DLC. Not sure what they'd do for her music since OW doesn't exactly have a lot to offer, but maybe they'll just make Lucio work overtime to make more tracks idk.
 
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How's it going World of Light fans? :ultzelda:

So I'm unlocking all of the characters through World of Light instead of the easy way out. :secretkpop:

But I'm kind of stuck on unlocking one character. I'll leave it in a spoiler.

There's one character that's behind a gate in Lumiose City, and I can't find the Switch anywhere to get to them. Does anyone know where it is? It's a Steel Gate with red lights on the top. I also need to find Lapras as well, I'm assuming that it'll be in the Treasure Chest in the Resort Area.

Other then that, I'm enjoying Ultimate. Adventure Mode is great, it feels like Melee's Mission Mode but on steroids. And the fact that we got Joker as DLC is nuts.

Also, I popped off when I found out Meta Crystal is in Ultimate. I wanted that track to resurface again for so long!

 

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Anyone mind explaining why Joker is hype? i know literally nothing about Persona


i regret not buying the digital version of Ultimate. I’m still waiting for it to get delivered and it’s killing me
 

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Sew I stayed up to play the game the minute it was available with my brother.

The second or third char we unlocked was Zelda.

Could not be more blessT.
Looks like we've been blessed the same ways... you had Kirby or Ness when you unlocked her? It seemed to happen to me in that vein.




I'm still wondering what to feel on Zelda, but she feels more mobile and stable as a fighter than before, that's all I can say.... Got to use Phantom more often, it really feels versatile tool for Zelda this time. Aerials are bit all over the place, I feel like they nerfed the U-Air's range or something...

Maybe it's just Ultimate's engine or something, got to get a feel of it over time as it comes.
 
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Yo, V's combat theme was uploaded on YouTube. It's called Crimson Cloud by Jeff Rona and featuring Rachel Fannan. It sounds so rad and definitely reminds me of DmC's music which used or had Combichrist and Noisia composed some tracks for the game.

Edit: His hair change thingie is also fabulous. :p
 
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Zelda feels really fun to play. I like spamming nair and nayru's. FW feels worse, but I'm not sure how. Her throws mostly suck I feel. Only super heavies are getting caught in dthrow>nair but you can directional dodge to a platform pretty easily now. BJN I hope you lab that combo and tell me that it's true and I need to git gud.
 

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Phantom is sooo good now. Like, legit annoying as **** and will eat up people who aren't expecting it.

She's a proper wall out type character now and I'm so happy

Shame about Dtilt tho. And something is off about Uair but I can't put my finger on it...
 
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Someone brought their switch in today so we played it over the lunch break.

The singular joy con is surprisingly fun to play with. It's honestly better than the 3DS ever was controller-wise.

Anyone mind explaining why Joker is hype? i know literally nothing about Persona
I'll try, though it's probably gonna get wordy.

Persona is a spinoff of the larger Shin Megami Tensei (SMT) series by Atlus, and has mostly eclipsed it in popularity in part due to how ****ing long it takes Atlus to come out with a new mainline SMT (The fourth one came out on 3DS, the one before that was 2003 on the PS2). In terms of style, there's a reason why FE: Tokyo Mirage Sessions was redubbed by people looking forward to SMT x FE as "Persona 4 Emblem". Starting from P3 or P4 depending on who you ask, the Persona series is largely considered the single best RPG series on Sony systems. Besides an Etrian Odyssey engined spinoff for the 3DS a few years ago, Persona has never been on a Nintendo system since the spinoff series started in the 90s. If that trailer had been an announcement for P5 for Switch that alone would have been stupidly hyped as we'd be getting Sony's biggest RPG and also yet another nail on the Vita's coffin; the upgraded portable re-release of Persona games was one of the biggest reasons a lot of people bought a Vita to begin with. This is basically the closest equivalent to "Pokemon coming out for Playstation" I can think of.

Joker himself, like most of Persona, is fabulous and also (in english) voiced by Xander Mobius, the Smash announcer. Beyond that...it's mostly because he's the MC and topical as the most recent protagonist. Characters in Persona have "Personas", in the same way Jojo has "Stands" (P4 was also just a massive Jojo reference in game form). Only instead of being music references, these are folklore and historical figures. The main characters typically follow a theme; in P3, it was Roman pantheon, P4 was Shinto, and P5 is thieves and rebels; the obscured figure in flames behind Joker in the trailer is Arsene Lupin, for instance,

Besides that...the game is just so damn stylish.

Opening of P5:


Opening of Persona Q2, a crossover Etrian Odyssey game between P3, P4, and P5 for the 3DS:


Opening of the Persona 5 rhythm game:


Also has Futaba who is totally an Inkling flying around in a UFO she made out of the Necronomicon, as Inklings are prone to doing.

i regret not buying the digital version of Ultimate. I’m still waiting for it to get delivered and it’s killing me
Preordered it on amazon a few days ago, so apparently with my prime 2-day shipping that means it come on...next Wednesday. :colorful:
 
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. And something is off about Uair but I can't put my finger on it...
UAir just feels like complete trash, honestly, and I don’t know why! Oh wait—it’s mostly unchanged since BRAWL, so, I do know :secretkpop:

Im also crying because NAir has no real dragging anymore. It’s fine if you don’t move much but it’s like it wasn’t even designed to connect in Ultimate :sadyellowfujinblock:

Also Zelda’s frame data be looking 99% unchanged as far as normals
 

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UAir just feels like complete trash, honestly, and I don’t know why! Oh wait—it’s mostly unchanged since BRAWL, so, I do know :secretkpop:

Im also crying because NAir has no real dragging anymore. It’s fine if you don’t move much but it’s like it wasn’t even designed to connect in Ultimate :sadyellowfujinblock:

Also Zelda’s frame data be looking 99% unchanged as far as normals
What makes you feel that way about U-Air? I honestly don't think it's too bad. For me, it's at least easier to hit with it than in Smash 4. I can usually use it out of U-Throw in Ultimate without much of a problem, which I could never do in Smash 4. I'm still new to using Zelda so maybe I'm sounding a bit naive to the concept.

EDIT (Around midnight 12/8) Did some Zelda practice and now I can see what you mean. I could hardly land it. Also Nair wasn't connecting for me that well either. Gonna be tough to figure out how to consistently hit with those moves (if it's possible)
 
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I've never had a game infuriate me as much as this game has so far. The online in this game is horrendous. You can't play the mode you want even when you search for it most of the time. It doesn't care... you get whatever it wants to give you, which is usually free for all because woo! Everyone loves free for alls! Battle Arena is not much better. It doesn't tell you if items are on or off, if there is friendly fire, etc... you basically have to wait and hope the settings are suitable for you. Then it's a toss up if someone is going to rage quit and kill the entire room or not anyways. On the bright side the connection has been pretty decent I guess. I've seen worse.
 
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I've never had a game infuriate me as much as this game has so far. The online in this game is horrendous. You can't play the mode you want even when you search for it most of the time. It doesn't care... you get whatever it wants to give you, which is usually free for all because woo! Everyone loves free for alls! Battle Arena is not much better. It doesn't tell you if items are on or off, if there is friendly fire, etc... you basically have to wait and hope the settings are suitable for you. Then it's a toss up if someone is going to rage quit and kill the entire room or not anyways. On the bright side the connection has been pretty decent I guess. I've seen worse.
1. A bunch of kids just got this and no meta has settled so it may be better to just wait before tackling online seriously in quickplay. Maybe try to raise your GSP in single-player modes so you can get to Elite Battles more easily.

2. If you really have a very particular way you want to play, just make your own arena. There's no substitute. And maybe in time people will use arena names to better communicate the settings if need be. Cuz lemme tell ya, that's a LOT of info to cram in every single entry.

Day 1 is usually not the best time to gauge the overall quality of online. In the end I suppose Quickplay is exactly what it claims to be: it prioritizes getting into matches quickly and with low latency over finding your ruleset, because that is what arenas are for. And until a tournament standard is formed, don't expect to find the exact kind of match you're looking for unless you make it yourself. That rage-quits break them is concerning though, I'll give you that. Maybe try labelling your rooms as "For experts" or something like that to try and deter less solid opponents.
 
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UAir just feels like complete trash, honestly, and I don’t know why! Oh wait—it’s mostly unchanged since BRAWL, so, I do know :secretkpop:

Im also crying because NAir has no real dragging anymore. It’s fine if you don’t move much but it’s like it wasn’t even designed to connect in Ultimate :sadyellowfujinblock:

Also Zelda’s frame data be looking 99% unchanged as far as normals
Yeah I've had quite a few Nair flubs. Idk why they decided to do that to it. Oh well, Nair 1 leads into a ton of things (check out Derk's video about it) like kicks, more nair, usmash, etc.

So I guess nair 1 is the new drag down nair?
 

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Im also crying because NAir has no real dragging anymore. It’s fine if you don’t move much but it’s like it wasn’t even designed to connect in Ultimate :sadyellowfujinblock:
Yeah I've had quite a few Nair flubs. Idk why they decided to do that to it. Oh well, Nair 1 leads into a ton of things (check out Derk's video about it) like kicks, more nair, usmash, etc.

So I guess nair 1 is the new drag down nair?
Zelda's Nair only hits three times now, so unless there's less time for it to be active unless they somehow figured out to make it have large gaps in between its hits and have enough hit stun that she could drag people around with it.

The weird thing is that I noticed that Falco's Nair seems to have issues connecting, but other multi-hit moves in general seem to be doing fine or were improved like Samus's Uair looks like it loop hits either has auto-link angles or really well-tuned frame data. I'm not sure about Zelda, but for Falco, the back hits can sometimes drop people or they pop up high enough that they can just jump out or fall out. The only thing I can think of other than auto-link angles working differently (again) in Ultimate is that Falco and Zelda's Nairs might not have auto-link angles anymore. If that's the case, then we can only wonder why. Even though Zelda's Nair hits three times, auto-link angles would still help if its two loop hits weren't tuned well enough while for Falco, he had frame synced Nair chains in Smash 4, but they could easily just mess up the last hit's hit angle or knockback to prevent that from happening. There's also that it seems like the developers really wanted Ultimate to have even better connecting multi-hit moves or moves that can hit consecutively if the whole rapid jabs being much faster wasn't an indication of that.
 

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I have a feeling that Falco is top tier is going to be a meme if this gets a lot of exposure. At least Leffen knows where Zelda should be on a tier list. :p

Why are people still making tier lists this damn early? Why can't we just silently lab stuff out or watch placements and gauge from there instead of doing early impressions and concluding from there?
 
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I have a feeling that Falco is top tier is going to be a meme if this gets a lot of exposure. At least Leffen knows where Zelda should be on a tier list. :p

Why are people still making tier lists this damn early? Why can't we just silently lab stuff out or watch placements and gauge from there instead of doing early impressions and concluding from there?
it's like asking why's Zer0 such a jerk that he has to go from saying K.Rool is king of the heavies to "he's painfully average" and then say Ridley's gonna be top tier to "everyone who's spent enough time with him hates him as a character"

pro's just gotta be on that God Tier Bandwagon before anyone else and as soon as a character falls out of their mind even for a second they label them as trash tier

I'm surprised Leffsen didn't say "what does zelda do in this game besides be a complete joke?"
 
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