You are Sakurai in 1999, what becomes your roster input for 64 and later installments?

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#1
You read the title right, you are the director of Super Smash Bros.

You and Iwata planned to make the game as Dragon King: The Fighting Game, But have it scrapped and decided to make it Nintendo based instead featuring familiar characters and elements.

RULES:

1. You can’t exceed roster limits at the time of developing a certain title, the number of characters must stay the same as canon. (64-12, Melee-25, Brawl-35, 4-58 including DLC) This goes for cuts as well.

2. The characters you add must exist at the time.

3. Regarding Melee, it’s either 1 unique newcomer or 6 clones, your choice.

4.Transformation characters can count as one character.

5. As an extra challenge, the Original 8 are untouched, you must be obliged to add them.
You can only choose the four hidden characters
for 64.
 
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About Dark Samus in brawl, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes was released in 2004, 4 years before brawl was released
(sorry i broke the rules, I keep my roster small)
 
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64: Ness stays, Captain Falcon is cut in favour of Muddy Mole, Jigglypuff is cut in favour of Squirtle, Luigi is cut in favour of Bowser

Melee: Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Mr. G&W, Falco, Mewtwo and Pichu stay (note: I probably wouldn't have come up with the idea of including the ICs or Doc as a separate character). the spot Bowser would take if he was a new character is taken by Wario, the ICs are replaced by Duck Hunt, Young Link is replaced by Paula as a Ness clone, Ganondorf is replaced by Daisy as a Peach clone, Marth is replaced by Diddy Kong, Dr. Mario is replaced by Luigi as a Mario clone, Roy is replaced by Dixie as a Diddy clone, Doc is an alt costume

Brawl: Toon, Dedede, Lucas, Sonic and Olimar stay (yet again, I wouldn't have come up with R.O.B.). Wario is revamped from Land to Ware. the slot that would belong to a new Diddy is taken by King K. Rool, Meta Knight is replaced by Waluigi, Pokemon Trainer is replaced by Onix, Pit is replaced by Mini Kangaroo, R.O.B. is replaced by Excitebiker, Ike is replaced by Kumatora, Wolf is replaced by a decloned Luigi, Lucario is replaced by Tingle, Snake is replaced by Pac-Man

3DS/Wii U: Bowser Jr., Villager, Little Mac, Ryu and Miis stay (I wouldn't have thought of WFT). Rosalina is replaced by a decloned Daisy, Greninja is replaced by Genesect, Robin is replaced by the introduction of Marth, Lucina is replaced by Slippy as a Fox clone, Corrin is replaced by non-clone Ganondorf (I like Ganondorf as a clone, but wouldn't have come up with that idea cuz' ya' know, no Falcon), Palutena is replaced by Ashley, Dark Pit is replaced by Tiny Wario as a Wario clone, WFT is replaced by Dr. Kawashima (if he approves of course), Shulk is replaced by Jill from Drill Dozer, as DH replaced the ICs earlier, Duck Hunt's new slot is given to the return of Duck Hunt themselves, same goes for Pac, Mega Man is replaced by Crash Bandicoot, Cloud is replaced by a Namco Museum trio, Bayonetta is replaced by Tails.
 
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I love these threads!

64:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultyoshi::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultkingdedede:
Melee:
12 above, + :ultbowser::ultpeach::ultganondorf::ultzelda::ultsheik:( as a separate fighter):ultmetaknight::ultridley::ultfalco::ultdiddy::ultmewtwo::ultpit::ultyoshi::ulticeclimbers:
Brawl: 25 above, + :ultwolf: :ultjigglypuff::ultlucario::ultpokemontrainer::ultzss:(as a separate fighter):ultrosalina::ultmarth::ultgnw::ultrob::ultlucas:
Smash 4::ultduckhunt::ultgreninja::ultisabelle::ultike::ultmegaman::ultolimar::ultpacman::ultpalutena::ultrobin:ultvillager::ultbayonetta::ultryu::ultcloud: Plus a bunch of other fighters, see signature
 
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Smash 64 - It’s a roster of 12. There are no veterans to consider.
:ultmario::ultyoshi::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultpit::ultmarth::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultness::ultgnw:

Smash Melee - It’s a roster of 20. No veterans are cut.
:ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultroy::ultfalco::ultjigglypuff::ultmewtwo::ulticeclimbers:

Smash Brawl - It’s a roster of 35. No veterans are cut.
:ultluigi::ultwario::ultdiddy::ulttoonlink::ultganondorf::ultpalutena::ultike::ultmetaknight::ultwolf::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucario::ultvillager::ultfalcon::ultsnake::ultsonic:

Smash 4 - It’s a roster of 56. No veterans are cut.
:ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultkrool::ultridley::ultdarkpit::ultkingdedede::ultrobin::ultcorrin::ultgreninja::ultlucas::ultlittlemac::ultduckhunt::ultrob::ultisabelle::ultshulk::ultsimon::ultryu::ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultcloud::ultbayonetta:

Smash Ultimate - It’s a roster of 70. No veterans are cut.
Geno, Skull Kid, :ultdarksamus:, Bandana Dee, Krystal, Blaziken, Decidueye, Issac, Rex and Pyra, :ultinkling:, Springman, Alucard, Ken, and Steve.
Melee is only 20 characters instead of 25. I was abiding by the one unique newcomer or six clone characters rule and chose one unique newcomer.

Zelda can transform into Sheik in previous games, so I brought that back in my roster picks. I’m counting them as one fighter in Smash Melee and Smash Brawl. The same also applies to Samus and Zero Suit Samus except for the fact that Zero Suit Samus doesn't come in until Smash Brawl.

Instead of counting Sheik and Zero Suit Samus as characters separate from Zelda and Samus in Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate, I still counted them as one with their counterparts, but I decreased the amount of characters used in Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate to compensate.

I’m also counting Pokémon Trainer as one fighter in all regards.
Not Included - Veterans that I would have never included up to this point in time.
:ultdoc::ultdaisy::ultyounglink::ultchrom::ultlucina::ultpichu::ultolimar::ultwiifittrainer::ultrichter::ultmiifighters:
 
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I might edit in Brawl and on later but I want to make one for 64 and Melee for now at least. (it's hard for afterwards considering how much Smash has influenced it)

It's a bit difficult, I have to think what I would have thought of, even if I think they were pretty good ideas in the end, as well as my previous point with how Smash influenced some games, but here goes, I'll try detail the other information I can add, in terms of priority:

64: :mario64::dk64::link64::samus64::yoshi64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64::luigi64::falcon64::052: and if I can add one more character since I believe Meowth would be around as taxing to make as Ness and Jigglypuff combined, while I think Ness was a good choice in the long run, I am unsure if I would have considered him as much as others.
I think if I could I would likely add someone like Banjo Kazooie with some of Mario's attributes, Marth with some of Link's similar to how Ness and Falcon share a few from others too but still feel fairly unique but I believe that would be it.

Melee (with my previous roster):
Unique characters::mariomelee::linkmelee::dkmelee::pikachumelee::samusmelee::foxmelee::kirbymelee::yoshimelee::bowsermelee:(My bias wants to say :icsmelee: but most likely) :pit::marthmelee::mewtwomelee::luigimelee:Banjo Kazooie/:diddy: (If Rareware doesn't get bought out or it doesn't end up preventing it in time, otherwise Diddy Kong):zeldamelee::052::peachmelee::nessmelee::falconmelee::4duckhunt:20 limit for unique characters reached :warioc::dedede::sonic:(if allowed):ganondorfmelee:(Unique)/Ganon either a third retro rep being themed to be more obscure (Japan only release for example) or more oddball/accessory based characters (Like Diskun or :rob:) and a new Pokemon, this would be it with the current development time in terms of priorities.

Echoes: TBA
 
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He mostly did a great job. What I'd do differently is go the extra mile with everything. Examples:

Make sure ganondorf was introduced with his own moveset, even if it meant delaying the game, or maybe finding a way to release some kind of expansion pack or "melee delux" a hear later.

Go through with all his character ideas in full. Like the Diddy Dixie team rather than just Diddy, toon zelda/tetra, plusle minum (or whatever they're caled), Geno etc. And I'd do the same thing as I said above for ganon. Delay the game or release exansions or updated versions. Which by the way should have been a thing all along. Smash bros is a popular game, every system could have had multiple iterations. We get new ea sports games every year, I think smash can have multiple iterations per system.

Besides those things, he's honestly done a great job. He just has put to many limitations on the game for unknown reasons to me.
 
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64: Replace :ultjigglypuff: with :ultmarth:. Marth was canonically a sword and shield fighter before his Melee design (which somehow became canon in actual Fire Emblem games), so I think the same amount of resources used to make Jigglypuff from Kirby could probably be applied to making Marth from Link. Just needs two special moves to replace Bombs and the boomerang. I know Jigglypuff was absolutely a more popular character than Marth in 1999, but Sakurai considered Marth from the beginning, and in hindsight we can definitely say now that Marth is the more popular character. Other than that I'm fine with the 64 roster. Ness feels a little superflous but an F-Zero game had just come out during SSB's development, so Falcon feels like a necessary addition. Just wish he had a stage.

Melee: Keep the clones. Building a new game in such a short time on new hardware must have been the most quietly tumultuous stories that's never been told. And having just eight newcomers rather than thirteen sounds like an unacceptable figure for how much work got put in. Anyway, if we can swap out those clones, the easiest one is Falco. :ultwolf: even appears in the damn game's opening, so why go with :ultfalco:, the member of the team with the least characterization? And in this alternate universe, since Jigglypuff doesn't exist and I refuse to put her in, spend the time that would have been spent making Marth and make :ultkingdedede: Love villains.

Brawl: Brawl's character additions are 100% stellar in my opinion. Keep everything. Declone Wolf to the degree Falco was, and in "Wolf"'s place spend that time getting back :ultmewtwo:. All other cuts are fine with me. Also spend the time that would have been on King Dedede (since he already exists) adding :ultridley:.

Smash 4: Let's see...in this alternate universe, Mewtwo's already still in so his DLC slot can go to :ultsnake:. I'm extremely bothered by Ganondorf being copy pasted from Brawl with no changes and an outdated design. Replace this nerd with Beast Ganon wielding a trident. Give us a reference to a pre-OoT Zelda game. So much moveset potential too. He can warp, cast magic, set the ground on fire, telepathically wave the trident independently of the body. I know I haven't picked anything to be cut in his place, but Smash 4's development was very long for how little they added to Smash, so I'm sure they could make it work. Cut Wii Fit Trainer, Charizard, or Sheik if you have to. Smash 4's character additions, outside of the Guest characters, all feel very....designed by committee. Every one can be backed up by sales numbers or popularity polls. But the only one that really bothers me is Wii Fit Trainer who feels more appropriate to have been a stage element or assist trophy.

TL;DR: Jigglypuff never exists with Marth taking her place. Wolf gets in over Falco who I never put in. King Dedede gets in a game early. Ridley gets in two games early. Mewtwo is never cut. Snake returns in his place for DLC. Ganondorf and likely Wii Fit Trainer are cut to get Beast Ganon in. And Ultimate gets enough resources for another newcomer.
 
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64: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultluigi::ultness::ultmewtwo::ultfalcon:

Melee: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultluigi::ultness::ultmewtwo::ultfalcon:|:ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdiddy::ultganondorf::ultzelda::ultyounglink::ultsheik::ultwolf::ultmarth::ulticeclimbers::006::ultkingdedede::ultvillager:

Brawl: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultluigi::ultness::ultmewtwo::ultfalcon::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdiddy::ultganondorf::ultzelda::ultyounglink::ultwario::ultwolf::ultmarth::ulticeclimbers::ultpokemontrainer::ultkingdedede::ultvillager:|:ultsheik::ultpit::ultmetaknight::ultzss::ultsonic:(Gen 3/4 Pokemon):ultike::ultfalco::ultlucas::ultolimar:

4: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultluigi::ultness::ultmewtwo::ultfalcon::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdiddy::ultganondorf::ultzelda::ultyounglink::ultwario::ultwolf::ultmarth::ulticeclimbers::ultpokemontrainer::ultkingdedede::ultvillager::ultsheik::ultpit::ultmetaknight::ultzss::ultsonic:(Gen 3/4 Pokemon):ultike::ultfalco::ultlucas::ultolimar:|:ultrosalina::ultgreninja::ultisabelle::ultlittlemac::ultmiifighters::ultpacman::ultmegaman::ultpalutena::ultrobin(Lyn):ultsimon::ultshulk::ultduckhunt::ultmiifighters::ultsnake::ultcorrin:(Geno) || DLC: :ulttoonlink::ultdarksamus::ultryu::ultcloud:(Tails) :ultinkling:

Though hindsight is 20/20, and doing it my way would probably bring less hype for when cut characters return and whatnot, since I would feel illogical in cutting characters. The only cut I'd make is turning Charizard into PT with the option of keeping each character completely separate (not even needing to switch after a stock). Plus it'd probably be really difficult to add in characters the way I do since I try not to emphasize clones, so it's very "idealistic" since I don't know what Sakurai's limitations were.

I wanted to put Ridley in way back in Melee, but somehow I felt like blueballing the Metroid fanbase kinda gave us some character, lol. Plus, that way Ultimate can be a little more "Ultimate" since the wind got thrown out of its sails by not having "everyone is here" hype, etc.
 
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64:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultness:

Melee:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultness::ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultpeach::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultpit::ultmarth::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultridley::ultfalco::ultdiddy::ultgnw::ulticeclimbers:

Brawl:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultness::ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultpeach::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultpit::ultmarth::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultridley::ultfalco::ultdiddy::ultgnw::ulticeclimbers::ultvillager::ultwario::ultwolf::ulttoonlink::ultike::ultlucario::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucas::ultsonic:


Wii U/3DS:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultness::ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultpeach::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultpit::ultmarth::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultridley::ultfalco::ultdiddy::ultgnw::ulticeclimbers::ultvillager::ultwario::ultwolf::ulttoonlink::ultike::ultlucario::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucas::ultsonic:
:ultolimar::ultlittlemac::ultpalutena::ultkrool:
:ultdarksamus::ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultgreninja::ultduckhunt::ultrob::ultpacman::ultmegaman:

Ultimate:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultness::ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultpeach::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultpit::ultmarth::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultridley::ultfalco::ultdiddy::ultgnw::ulticeclimbers::ultvillager::ultwario::ultwolf::ulttoonlink::ultike::ultlucario::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucas::ultsonic:
:ultolimar::ultlittlemac::ultpalutena::ultkrool:
:ultdarksamus::ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultgreninja::ultduckhunt::ultrob::ultpacman::ultmegaman::ultinkling:
:ultdaisy:
:ultwiifittrainer::ultjigglypuff:



Changes (General)
Less 3rd parties (Only the biggest and most iconic: Pac-Man, Mega Man, Sonic)
Donkey Kong + Metroid Get New Character in Each Installment
Less Fire Emblem Characters
Pokemon Changes
Retro Characters Added in 2

Changes (Specific)
Mewtwo Replaces Jigglypuff in 64
Pit, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Ridley, and Diddy Kong all debut in Melee
Roy, Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link cut from Melee
Villager and Dixie Kong debut in Brawl
Olimar, R.O.B., and Snake cut from Brawl
Olimar, King K. Rool, Captain Toad, Dark Samus, and R.O.B. debut in Wii U/3DS
Wii Fit Trainer, Dark Pit, Ryu, Cloud, Corrin, Robin, and Bayonetta cut from 3DS/Wii U
Slippy Toad, Peppy Hare, Spring Man, Isaac, Medusa, Chrous Kids, Sylux, Wii Fit Trainer, Jigglypuff, and Waluigi debut in Ultimate
Chrom, Simon Belmont, and Richter Belmont cut from Ultimate
 
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I think the four hidden characters in Super Smash Bros. were both meant for popular characters and obscure characters. Luigi and Jigglypuff were well-known, but Ness and Captain Falcon were obscure. I think Luigi was made because there was a Mario model and Jigglypuff was made because of a Kirby model. That probably explains why Jigglypuff has multiple jumps, which needs to be limited to two jumps. Sing needs to be replaced with something else, since landing Rest isn't that difficult once you got it down. Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, Little Mac, Marth, R.O.B., or Wario could have been added on the list. Marth would have a harder time being added, only because his first game was never released outside of Japan.

:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultness::ultfalcon::ultgnw::ultpit:
 
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Smash 64:
Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Fox, Samus, Little Mac, Marth, Bubbles, Banjo & Kazooie, Young Link (Semi-Clone)

Melee:
Smash 64 minus Banjo & Kazooie because of Rare buyout (Meaning 1 more unique newcomer slot)
Unique Newcomers: Yoshi, Peach, Zelda, Eevee, Wario, Bowser, Ganondorf, Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch
New Semi Clones/Echoes: Luigi, Pichu, Wolf, Young Zelda, Armored Mewtwo, Donkey Kong Jr.

Brawl:
All Melee (Meaning 5 less newcomer slots)
Newcomers: Meta Knight, ZS Samus, Snake, Diddy Kong, Pokemon Trainer, Sonic, King Dedede, Olimar, ROB*, Tom Nook, Mii
*Implemented different, is a sprite who turn into other NES era sprites for attacks like a balloon fighter up special, Ice Climber neutral special, etc. think of how G&W seems to now transform in his attacks now to closer mock source of attack, not sure if this would work this way but had the idea and thought it would be interesting

Smash 4
All Brawl minus Snake because Konami (meaning 5 less newcomer slots, use 3 DLC veterans slots for new echoes)
Newcomers: Mega Man, Pac Man, Shulk, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Marshal, Ridley, King K. Rool, Tiki, Genesect
New Echoes: Daisy, Dixie Kong
Newcomer DLC: Ryu, Cloud, Anna, Hayabusa
New Echoes DLC: Metal Sonic, Ken, Zack Fair

Ultimate so far:
Everyone is here (Banjo & Snake, use slots from characters never removed for more echoes so plus 5)
Newcomers: Inkling, Simon, Captain Toad, Elma
New Semi Clones/Echoes: Dark Samus, Isabelle, Ms. Pac Man, Birdo, Octoling, Dry Bowser, Ms. Game & Watch, Rival Trainer

Not going to lie was running out of ideas for echoes i wanted with melee and ultimate.
 
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This is cute and fun! There are lots of characters I love to play as now like Jigglypuff and Ice Climbers, but if they were never introduced, I wouldn't know any better and wouldn't miss them! I love analyzing yalls lists and making my own, such fun data and possibilities~ So, here I go, I'll also ignore the additional challenge and mess with the original 8 a bit.

64(12):
Starters::ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultness:Unlockable::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultbowser:
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Melee(26): No Cuts
Starters::ultmario::ultpeach::ultdk::ultdiddy::ultlink::ultzelda::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultness::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultroy:

Unlockable: :ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultridley::ultmewtwo::ultsonic:
6 Clones(Also all unlockable)::ultluigi::ultdaisy:(Dixie):ultfalco::ultwolf::ultlucas:

Overall New Additions: (5 Starters):ultpeach::ultdiddy::ultzelda::ultmetaknight::ultroy:
(9 Unlockables):ultluigi::ultdaisy:(Dixie):ultganondorf::ultridley::ultfalco::ultwolf::ultlucas::ultsonic:
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Brawl(39): No Cuts
Starters::ultmario::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdk::ultdiddy:(Dixie):ultlink::ultzelda::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultfox::ultfalco::ultpikachu::ultpokemontrainer::ultness::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultike::ultvillager::ultolimar:

Unlockable::ultluigi::ultdaisy::ultwario::ultbowserjr::ultkrool::ultganondorf::ultdarksamus::ultridley::ultkingdedede::ultmewtwo::ultlucario::ultlucas::ultwolf::ultroy:(Lyn):ultsonic::ultmegaman:

New Additions: (4~6 Starters):ultpokemontrainer::ultike::ultvillager::ultolimar:
(8 Unlockables):ultwario::ultbowserjr::ultkrool::ultdarksamus::ultkingdedede::ultlucario:(Lyn):ultmegaman:
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4 Wii U & 3DS(51): Pokemon Trainer and Falco cut. Note, Mii is just one moveset based on moves from Wii Sports, Tomodachi Life, stuff like that. Another note, Lucina is a flameless clone of Roy and Chrom is a faster but weaker clone of Ike! Also Bowser Jr is more true to himself as his alts aren't Koopalings anymore... They're cool alts, but a truer moveset will be better in the long run.
Starters::ultmario::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultyoshi::ultdk::ultdiddy:(Dixie):ultkrool::ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultsamus::ultridley::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:
:ultfox::ultpikachu::ultmewtwo::ultness::ultlucas::ultpit::ultfalcon:(Lyn):ultrobin:ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultolimar:(Isaac):ultmiifighters:

Unlockable::ultluigi::ultdaisy::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina::ultwario:(Skull Kid):ultdarksamus:(Bandanna Dee):ultwolf::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultroy::ultike::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultsonic::ultmegaman::ultpacman:
3 Clones::ultdarkpit::ultchrom::ultlucina:

New Additions: (5 Starters):ultyoshi::ultrobin:ultisabelle:(Isaac):ultmiifighters:
(10 Unlockables):ultrosalina:(Skull Kid)(Bandanna Dee):ultgreninja::ultdarkpit::ultchrom::ultlucina::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultpacman:

DLC(7): (Geno):ultfalco::ultryu:(Banjo&Kazooie):ultcloud::ultinkling::ultbayonetta:
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Ultimate Everyone is here! Only Pokemon Trainer, Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard would be having a grand return because they wouldn't work on the 3DS, but still! So, the difference would be that I'd already have :ultdaisy::ultkrool::ultridley::ultdarksamus::ultchrom::ultisabelle::ultinkling: Dixie Kong, Lyn, Isaac, Skull Kid, Bandanna Dee, Geno, and Banjo&Kazooie!

But I wouldn't have:ultjigglypuff::ulticeclimbers::ultsheik::ultdoc::ultpichu::ultyounglink::ultmarth::ultgnw::ultzss::ultsnake::ultrob::ulttoonlink::ultwiifittrainer::ultpalutena::ultduckhunt::ultcorrin:and two more Mii movesets. I regret losing Snake the most, but I dunno if I'd be friends with Kojima like Sakurai is, I'd like to be but I dunno haha, seems too random and magical! I also have Roy promoting his upcoming game solo and then introducing Lyn as the series lead, since she dominated the FEH fan poll, with Ike behind her, and Roy and Lucina following close behind. Marth can be the assist trophy instead of Lyn! Other characters like R.O.B., Duck Hunt, and Wii Fit Trainer can be assist trophies, Palutena and Sheik can appear in Pit and Zelda's final smashes, and others like ZSS and G&W simply wouldn't be missed since people wouldn't know what they were missing. I love playing as G&W now, but yeah.

Along with the Smash Ballot, I'd pay attention and maybe secretly orchestrate some sort of worldwide Pokemon popularity poll, to find out who to show off besides Pikachu, Greninja, and other popular Pokemon already here. I'd feel it would be too late to put in a Gen 7 Pokemon just because they're from the most recent game, especially because by the time Ultimate would come out, Gen 8 would already be on the way (they're already teasing Meltan now so...) And I'd put whoever wins that poll and then a Gen 8 Pokemon (or Trainer) as DLC later. I know Japan did their own poll that Greninja won, but I think the poll being worldwide would change things! I dunno what the actual results would be, but I think I can safely guess Gengar would win a poll like that. So I'm just ganna go with that for this.

Anyway! I'd only be up to 61 characters. I'd go on to try my best to add:
Newcomers(8): :ultsimon:Simon, Phoenix Wright, Paper Mario, Waluigi, Ashley, Tetra, :094:Gengar, Sora
Echoes(8): :ultrichter:Richter, Edgeworth, Funky Kong, Ninten, Blood Falcon, Matthew(Isaac's Son), Shadow, Ken

DLC Newcomers(7): Gen 8 Pokemon Trainer with 3 Pokemon(Different stages of evos of the 3 starters, just like the Kanto Trainer we already have), Midna&WolfLink, Toad, Larry:4larry:(the Smash 4 moveset with a different Final Smash), Tails
DLC Echoes - Come in waves similar to Mii costumes!(16): Shadow Mario, Toadette, Dark Meta Knight, Galacta Knight, Black Shadow, Captain Louie, Captain Alph:4alph:, Octoling, Knuckles, Akuma, :4roy::4wendy::4iggy::4morton::4lemmy::4ludwig:

I thiiink that would make the most people happy! I went a bit crazy there, but reached 100 characters. I would then hope to, uh, retire haha

Uhh...well this was fun!!! I'll go back to analyzing yalls lists now~
 

BowserKing

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#17
If I could change the roster, well the first game will stay the same, because it is perfect the way it is

Note, this is the safe version of it, there's a more wild version later on

Game 1 Roster: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff:

Melee Roster (Note, :ultdoc: will still be in the game, but as an alternate costume):
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultbowser::ulticeclimbers::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultpichu::ultfalco::ultmarth::ultyounglink::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultkingdedede::ultroy::ultgnw:

King Dedede was added as he shared moves with Kirby and Ice Climbers

Brawl Roster:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultbowser::ulticeclimbers::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultfalco::ultmarth::ultganondorf::ultkingdedede::ultgnw::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultwario::ultsnake::ultike::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultdiddy::ultlucas::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultlucario::ultrob::ulttoonlink::ultwolf:

:ultmewtwo: and :ultpichu: were considered

Game 4 roster: Note :ultcharizard:, :ultzss: and :ultsheik: are not sperate characters

:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultfalco::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultganondorf::ultkingdedede::ultgnw::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultwario::ultike::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultdiddy::ultsonic: Shadow :ultolimar::ultlucario::ultrob::ulttoonlink::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultrosalina::ultlittlemac::249::ultgreninja: Miis (:ultbrawler::ultgunner::ultswordfighter:):ultpalutena::ultpacman: Midna :ultrobin::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt::ultmewtwo::ultlucas::ultroy::ultryu::ultcloud::ultcorrinf::ultbayonetta:

Ultimate roster (Note, Dark Samus has her Early form as an echo of :ultzss:), also Miis only take one slot instead of 3:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultdarksamus:/ Early Form :ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultbowser::ulticeclimbers::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultpichu::ultfalco::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultyounglink::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultkingdedede::ultroy::ultchrom::ultgnw::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultwario::ultsnake::ultike::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultdiddy::ultlucas::ultsonic: Shadow :ultolimar::ultlucario::ultrob::ulttoonlink::ultwolf::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultrosalina::ultlittlemac::249::ultgreninja: Miis (:ultbrawler::ultgunner::ultswordfighter:) :ultpalutena::ultpacman::ultrobin::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken::ultcloud::ultcorrinf::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultridley: Fawful :ultsimon::ultrichter::ultkrool::ultisabelle: Bandanna Dee :ultincineroar::ultpiranha::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie: :ult_terry:, Byleth and Arms Rep, with Adeleine, Sylux, Shantae, Frosmoth and Geno being in Fighter's pass 2

Now the Wild version.

First game stays the same

Melee interestingly would only have 23 characters to save time

Note: :ultdoc: is an alternate costume, as with :ultyounglink:
Roster: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::249::ultpichu::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultfalco::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultmewtwo::ultganondorf:

Brawl's turn

Note: :ultroy: is an alternate costume

Roster: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::249::ultpichu::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultfalco::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultmewtwo::ultganondorf::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultwario::ultsnake::ultmarth::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultdiddy: Dixie Kong :ultsonic::ultolimar::ultlucario::ultwolf:

Game 4 Roster: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::249::ultpichu::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultfalco::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultmewtwo::ultganondorf::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultwario::ultsnake::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultdiddy: Dixie Kong :ultsonic: Shadow :ultolimar::ultlucario::ultwolf::ultvillager::ultmegaman: Midna :ultrosalina::ultpalutena::ultgreninja::ultpacman::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt:, with Fawful :ultlucas::ultike::ultryu: Adeleine :ultcorrinf:and :ultkrool: (Ballot Winner) as DLC

Ultimate version

Note: :ultchrom: is an alternate costume

Roster: :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultdarksamus:/Earlier version :ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultbowser: Dark Bowser :ultkingdedede::249::ultpichu::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultfalco::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultmewtwo::ultganondorf::ultmetaknight: Dark Meta Knight :ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultwario::ultsnake::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:) :ultdiddy:Dixie Kong :ultsonic: Shadow :ultolimar::ultlucario::ultwolf::ultvillager::ultmegaman: Midna :ultrosalina::ultpalutena::ultgreninja::ultpacman::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt: Fawful :ultlucas::ultike::ultryu::ultken: Adeleine :ultcorrinf::ultkrool::ultinkling::ultridley::ultrob::ultwiifittrainer::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultincineroar::ultisabelle: Shantae, Ray-Man, Spring-Man, :ultrobinf::ultbayonetta: with :ultpiranha: :ultjoker:, Steve, :ultbanjokazooie: Byleth, Bio-Rex, Bandanna Dee, Sylux, :ult_terry:, Frosmoth, Geno and Shovel Knight as DLC

Just to Clarify for this alternate version, Dark Meta Knight got revealed in June, R.O.B and Wii Fit Trainer got revealed in July, Ken, Incineroar and Dark Bowser got revealed in August, Shantae got revealed in September, Ray-Man and Spring-Man got revealed in October and Robin and Bayonetta got revealed in November

New Update: With Terry's inclusion and more fighters outside the fighter's pass confirmed, I added a few new fighters to the mix

New Update: replaced Edelgard with Byleth, added Terry, Frosmoth, Geno and Shovel Knight to the DLC roaster.

New Update: Arms rep replaces Muddy Mole in the safe version
 
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Mamboo07

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#18
64 (12 Fighters)
Starter::ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu:
Unlock-able::ultkingdedede::ultmarth::ultpit::112:
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Melee (26 Fighters)
Returning::ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultkingdedede::ultmarth::ultpit::112:

(UNDER CONSTRUCTION)
 
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Here are my rosters

64: :ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultdk::ultfox::ultsamus::ultlittlemac::ultfalcon::ultluigi::ultness::052:

Melee:
:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultdk::ultfox::ultsamus::ultlittlemac::ultfalcon::ultluigi::ultness::052::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultpichu::ultfalco::ultpichu::ultgnw::ultmarth::ultroy::ulticeclimbers:

Brawl:
:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultdk::ultfox::ultsamus::ultlittlemac::ultfalcon::ultluigi::ultness::052::ultdoc::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultganondorf::ultfalco::ultgnw::ultmarth::ulticeclimbers::ultzss::ultsnake::ultdiddy::ultsonic::ultpokemontrainer::ultpokemontrainerf::ultpit::ultolimar::ultlucas::ultlucario::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede::ultwolf: Wario with a moveset based Wario Land and Waluigi

Smash 4:
:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultdk::ultfox::ultsamus::ultlittlemac::ultfalcon::ultluigi::ultness::052::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultfalco::ultgnw::ultmarth::ultroy::ulticeclimbers::ultzss::ultsnake::ultdiddy::ultsonic::ultpokemontrainer::ultpokemontrainerf::ultpit::ultolimar::ultlucas::ultlucario::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede: Wario, Waluigi :ulttoonlink::ultbayonetta::ultbayonetta1::ultcloud::ultgreninja::ultpalutena::ultrobin::ultrobinf::ultrosalina::ultryu::ultshulk::ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainerm::ultlucina:

Ultimate:

:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultdk::ultfox::ultsamus::ultlittlemac::ultfalcon::ultluigi::ultness::052::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultfalco::ultgnw::ultmarth::ultroy::ulticeclimbers::ultzss::ultsnake::ultdiddy::ultsonic::ultpokemontrainer::ultpokemontrainerf::ultpit::ultolimar::ultlucas::ultlucario::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede: Wario, Waluigi :ulttoonlink::ultbayonetta::ultbayonetta1::ultcloud::ultgreninja::ultpalutena::ultrobin::ultrobinf::ultrosalina::ultryu::ultshulk::ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainerm::ultlucina::ultridley::ultdaisy::ultkrool::ultinkling::ultinklingboy::ultpiranha::ultken::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultdarksamus::ultwiifittrainerm:Decidueye, and Funky Kong
 
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UserKev

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#20
Smash 64 would be the same. Diddy Kong, K. Rool and Ridley would be in Melee. I would have added Dixie Kong, Daisy and Lyn in Brawl. Ghirahim, Adeleine, Samurai Goroh and a non echo Dark Samus would be top priority newcomers of Smash Wii U/3DS. BOTW Zelda, Mimikyu, Cranky Kong, Pokey, and Wart are absolute must have Smash Ultimate newcomers.

My roster inputs aren't AT ALL dismissive of third party representation.
 
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#21
I think it's time I update my opinions on all of this since the thread is back.

In Smash Melee, my roster size is 20. There are technically 26 fighters, but I was abiding by the one unique newcomer or six clone characters rule and chose to add one unique newcomer. I will count Zelda and Sheik as one character in all regards since they can transform into each other in that game.

In Smash Brawl, my roster size is 37. There are technically 39 fighters, but I will count Zelda and Sheik as one character in all regards since they can transform into each other in that game. The same applies to Samus and Zero Suit Samus starting now. Pokémon Trainer is three seperate fighters in one, and since I do not plan to add a three in one fighter, I will not subtract it from the counter.

In Smash 4, my roster size is 56. There are technically 58 fighters, but I wish to keep Sheik and Zero Suit Samus able to transform into their respective counterparts, so I subtracted two from the total in order to count them as one.

In Smash Ultimate, my roster size is 80. There are technically 82 fighters, but I wish to keep Sheik and Zero Suit Samus able to transform into their respective counterparts, so I subtracted two from the total in order to count them as one. Pokémon Trainer is three seperate fighters in one, and since I do not plan to add a three in one fighter, I will not subtract it from the counter.

Smash 64 - It’s a roster of 12. There are no veterans to consider.
:ultmario::ultpeach::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultpit::ultmarth::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultness:
Smash Melee - It’s a roster of 20. No veterans are cut.
:ultbowser::ultdiddy::ultzelda::ultroy::ultmetaknight::ultfalco::ultmewtwo::ulticeclimbers:
Smash Brawl - It’s a roster of 37. No veterans are cut.
:ultluigi::ultyoshi::ultwario::ulttoonlink::ultganondorf::ultpalutena::ultike::ultkingdedede::ultwolf::ultlucario::ultgnw::ultlucas::ultfalcon::ultvillager::ultsnake::ultryu::ultsonic:
Smash 4 - It’s a roster of 56. No veterans are cut.
:ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultkrool:Wolf Link and Midna:ultridley::ultdarkpit:Lyn:ultrobin::ultgreninja::ultlittlemac::ultduckhunt::ultolimar::ultshulk::ultpacman::ultsimon::ultmegaman::ultcloud:Banjo and Kazooie:ultbayonetta:
Smash Ultimate - It’s a roster of 80. No veterans are cut.
Waluigi:ultpiranha:Dixie Kong, Skull Kid:ultdarksamus:Hades:ultcorrin:Bandana Dee:ultincineroar:Unnamed Final Evolution of Grookey:ultrob::ultisabelle:Issac:ultwiifittrainer:Elma, Rex and Pyra:ultinkling:Springman, Alucard:ultken:Steve, Sans:ultjoker:Hero
Not Included - Veterans that I would have never included up to this point in time.
:ultdoc::ultdaisy::ultyounglink::ultchrom::ultlucina::ultpokemontrainer::ultpichu::ultrichter::ultmiifighters:
 

Voodoo7995

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#22
64:
:ultmario:,:ultlink:,:ultyoshi:,:ultpikachu:,:ultsamus:,:ultfox:,:ultkirby:,:ultdk:, :ultpiranha:, :ultsimon:, :ultryu:, :141:

Melee:
:141:, :ultsimon:, :ultdoc:, :ultyoshi:, :ultpikachu:,:ultpiranha:,:ultdk:, :ultkirby:, :ultluigi:, :ultmario:, :ultsamus:, :ultlink:, :ultryu:, :ultfox:, :ultfalcon:, :ultmarth:, :ultfalco:, :ultbowser:, :ultsonic:, :ulticeclimbers:, :ult_terry:, :ultsnake:, :ultbanjokazooie:, :ultness:, :ultpeach:

Brawl:
:141:, :ultsonic:, :ult_terry:, :ultpiranha:, :ultsnake:, :ultyoshi:, :ultsamus:, :ultryu:, :ultsimon:, :ultbanjokazooie:, :ultness:, :ultpokemontrainer:, :sheilda: (they switch again), :ultluigi:, :ultmarth:, :ultpikachu:, :ultlink:, :ulticeclimbers:, :ultfox:, :ultrob:, :ultmario:, :ultdk:, :ultkirby:, :ultpit:, :ultbowser:, :ultpeach:, :ultzss:, :ultfalcon:, :ultdoc:, Chimchar, :ultfalco:, :ultroy:, :ultpacman:, :160:


Sm4sh:
:160:, Chimchar, :141:, :ultdarksamus:, :ultpiranha:, :ultyoshi:,:ultsnake:,:ultsimon:,:ultshulk:,:ultwario:,:ult_terry:,:ultsonic:,:ultfox:,:ultpit:,:ultpikachu:,:ultridley:,:ultrob:,:ultwiifittrainer:,:ultness:, :ultpacman:,:ultbanjokazooie:, :ultbayonetta:, :ultisabelle:, :ulttoonlink:,:ultluigi:,:ultzelda:,:ultsheik:(They don't switch now),:ultpeach:, :ultryu:, :ultkrool:, :ultlucina:, :ultlink:, :ultmegaman:,:ultpokemontrainer:, solo :ultcharizard:, solo :ultsquirtle:, solo :ultivysaur:, Scorpion, Lara Croft, Chase McCain, :ultbowser:,:ultkirby:,:ultinkling:, :ultkingdedede:, :ultdk:, :ultlink:, :ultduckhunt:,:ulticeclimbers:, :nessecho:, :ultgreninja:,:ultcorrin:,:ultlucas:,:ultbowserjr:,:ultcloud:,:ultolimar:,:ultbrawler:,:ultswordfighter:,:ultgunner:
 

Pupp135

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#23
I have 2 versions (conservative and less conservative) with reasons inside
Conservative:

64
starter: :mario64::dk64::link64::samus64::yoshi64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64:
secret: :luigi64::jigglypuff64::ness64::falcon64:

I feel like this roster was perfect at the time. The original 8 and :luigi64: were iconic, :ness64: and :falcon64: were interesting picks from different series, and :jigglypuff64: is a good joke pic.

While :bowsermelee: :mewtwomelee: :marthmelee: and :dedede: were planned, I like the feel of no villains in this game, and :marthmelee: was JP only at the time.

Melee
Starter::mariomelee::bowsermelee::peachmelee::dkmelee::linkmelee::samusmelee::yoshimelee::kirbymelee::foxmelee::pikachumelee::jigglypuffmelee::nessmelee::falconmelee::warioc:
Secret::luigimelee::zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee::mewtwomelee::icsmelee::marthmelee::drmario:*:ultdaisy:*:ganondorfmelee:*:younglinkmelee:*:falcomelee:*:pichumelee:*
*=clone
Since it was stated before that even cutting the 6 clones does not give a unique character, I’ll do the 8 unique, 6 clones.
First, no one gets cut from the 64 cast. Then, I kept the 4 uniques that did well in the Smash 2 poll (:bowsermelee::peachmelee::mewtwomelee::marthmelee:). After adding them, I added the clones that made sense at the time (:drmario::younglinkmelee::falcomelee::pichumelee:).
Next, I want to keep :ganondorfmelee: since he ranked #5, but I’m unsure of making him unique or not since there are a handful of choices for the remaining 4 (:zeldamelee::sheikmelee::icsmelee::gawmelee::warioc::dedede:). For :roymelee:, I’d cut him since he didn’t have his game out yet even though I love FE. To replace him, I’ll add :ultdaisy:, who just came back a year before.
For the final 4 uniques, I want to keep :icsmelee: since I like their gimmick. I’m thinking of delaying :gawmelee: as :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee: is a really unique gimmick while :warioc::dedede: did really well on the poll.
Since I like the transformation gimmick and will go with #3 on the poll :zeldamelee::sheikmelee: and :warioc: are my final picks, and :ganondorfmelee: remains a clone.

For starter and secret characters, I made :jigglypuffmelee: and :warioc: starters for 2 pokemon starter reps and having the 3rd most poular also as one. :zeldamelee::sheikmelee::icsmelee: are all secret characters as surprise characters since they didn’t do as well on the poll.

Brawl
Starter::mario2::bowser2::peach::dk2::diddy::link2::sheilda::samus2:/:zerosuitsamus::yoshi2::kirby2::metaknight::dedede::fox::pikachu2::pt:(:ivysaur::charizard::squirtle:):ness2::warioc::ike::popo::pit::olimar:
Secret: :luigi2::ganondorf::toonlink:(still called Young Link):falco::jigglypuff::4mewtwo::lucario::lucas::falcon::marth::gw::rob::snake::sonic:

For this roster, all 20 unique fighters are safe along with :ganondorf::falco::toonlink:,” giving me 23 of 39 fighters. As I have the room for him, I’ll bring in :gw:, and I think that the E3 pics were interesting (:metaknight::pit::zerosuitsamus::snake:), so I now have 28. As these characters are important long term or rising picks, :ike::pt:(:ivysaur::charizard::squirtle:):diddy::dedede::olimar::lucario::sonic: , so I now have 37 fighters. For th final 2 picks, I pick :lucas::rob: since mother seems to be acclaimed, and :rob: is important historically.

Starters and secrets: I’d just switch :ness2: and :lucas: since :lucas: is JP only.
I cut :wolf: since I feel that Star Fox doesn’t need 3 reps.

3DS/WiiU
Starter::4mario::4bowser::4peach::4bowserjr::4dk::4diddy::4link::zeldamelee::4sheik::4tlink::4samus::4zss::4yoshi::4kirby::4metaknight::4dedede::4fox::4pikachu::4charizard::4lucario::4greninja::4ness::4falcon::4wario2::4marth::4myfriends::popo::4pit::4palutena::4olimar::4villager::4megaman::4wiifit::4littlemac::4pacman::4shulk::4mii:(:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf: for WIIU version)
Secret::4falco::4gaw::4rob::rosalina::4duckhunt::ultdaisy:*:ultchrom:*:ultpichu:* (:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf:for 3DS version)
DLC::4lucas:Toad:ultridley::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta::ultinkling:
*=clone
For this roster, I’ll account for limitations of the 3DS and Konami copyrights, so I’m cutting :ivysaur::squirtle::snake:, and making :popo: only 1 instead of 2, so I have 36 fighters so far. Also, I‘m accounting for the 3 clones that are on the roster. From the unique newcomers, I’ll keep all except :4miigun::4miisword: and :4corrin:since I’d probably just use 1 mii as my fighter, and :4corrin: was a controversial pick. I’m keeping the others due to being iconic (:4villager::4megaman::4pacman::4bowserjr::4mii::4ryu::4cloud:), representing newer games (:4greninja::4palutena::4robinm::4shulk:), additional popular picks (:4littlemac::4bayonetta:), or fun gimmicks (:4wiifit::rosalina::4duckhunt:). Now, I have 52 unique fighters, and :4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta: will remain DLC, giving me 49 unique characters at base game. Since I need to cut one more base character, I’ll choose to make :4lucas: DLC since he is a lower priority for me, so I have 48 unique base characters now. For my 3 clones, I’ll add :ultchrom: for popularity and bring back :ultdaisy: and :ultpichu:. Since I have 3 free DLC slots, I’ll give them to :ultinkling: as a promotional pick, :ultridley: as a popular request, and Toad since he’s a very important character still not added yet.

Starters and Secret Choices: I decided to make :rosalina: a secret character instead of :4wario2: as a way to keep a surprise pick. I chose :4luigi: and :4mewtwo: as secret characters in the 3DS version since they were secret characters since their first appearances.

Ultimate
Base Game::ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdoc:*:ultbowserjr::ultrosalina:Toad:ultdaisy:*:ultdk::ultdiddy:Dixie:ultkrool::ultlink::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultyounglink::ultganondorf:Impa:ultsamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultdarksamus:*:ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:(Bandana) Waddle Dee:ultfox::ultfalco::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultmewtwo::ultpichu::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultness::ultlucas::ultfalcon::ultwario::ultmarth::ultike::ultrobin::ultchrom:*:ulticeclimbers::ultpit::ultpalutena::ultolimar::ultalph:*:ultgnw::ultrob::ultsnake::ultsonic:Tails:ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultmegaman::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk::ultmiifighters::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken:*:ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter:*Isaac Chorus Kids
DLC: Waluigi :ultbyleth::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:(ARMS)
*=echo
Just like the actual game, I will do everyone is here, giving me 62 fighters with 14 base slots left, including 4 echoes (making :ultpichu: not an echo but making :ultdoc: one). I will keep :ultkrool::ultincineroar::ultisabelle::ultsimon: as they’re new or popular, making it 66 fighters. Since I can pick 4 more echoes, I’ll just add the ones also in Ultimate (:ultdarksamus::ultken::ultrichter:) along with :ultalph:. For my 6 remaining unique fighters, I’ll pick Dixie, Impa, (Bandana) Waddle Dee, Isaac, Cohrus Kids, and Tails since these characters are either prominent or requested
Tbh: I’m fine with most of the DLC picks, but I’d replace :ultpiranha: with Waluigi since he’s highly requested even though I don’t like him.
Also, transformation gimmicks return in this game
Less Conservative:

64
starter: :mario64::dk64::link64::samus64::yoshi64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64:
secret: :luigi64::jigglypuff64::ness64::falcon64:

I still don’t feel like this roster needs any changes.

Melee
Starter::mariomelee::bowsermelee::peachmelee::dkmelee::linkmelee::ganondorfmelee::samusmelee::yoshimelee::kirbymelee::foxmelee::pikachumelee::jigglypuffmelee::nessmelee::falconmelee::warioc:
Secret::luigimelee::zeldamelee::mewtwomelee::icsmelee::marthmelee::drmario:*:ultdaisy:*DK Jr.*:younglinkmelee:*:falcomelee:*:pichumelee:*
*=clone
Since it was stated before that even cutting the 6 clones does not give a unique character, I’ll do the 8 unique, 6 clones.
Similarly, the 64 cast, the 4 uniques that did well in the Smash 2 poll and the first clones that I chose remain.
As this roster is less conservative, I’ll make :ganondorfmelee: unique this time, and I still plan on keeping :icsmelee:(who ended up being my favorites). For the remaining uniques, I’ll cut :sheikmelee: since the transformation gimmick didn’t last, but I’ll keep :zeldamelee: since she is prominent to her series. the last unique will be :warioc: again.
For clones, I’ll keep :ultdaisy: and then add DK Jr. as a clone (I’d want to use :151: instead, but it just doesn’t make any sense).
Since I made :ganondorfmelee: unique, I’ll make him a starter.

Brawl
Starter::mario2::bowser2::peach:Toad:dk2::diddy:+Dixie :link2::zeldamelee::samus2::yoshi2::kirby2::metaknight::dedede::fox::pikachu2::charizard::ness2::warioc::ike::popo::pit::olimar::4villager:
Secret: :luigi2::ganondorf::toonlink:(still called Young Link):falco::jigglypuff::4mewtwo::lucario::lucas::falcon::marth::gw::rob::snake::sonic:

Looking at the Conservative roster, I plan on cutting :zerosuitsamus::ivysaur::squirtle: as the transformation gimmick will not be in this game (I’ll miss :zerosuitsamus: though), giving me 3 more fighters to choose from. Dixie will be part of a tag team like she was planned to. My last picks are Toad and :4villager: since they are iconic characters.

Starters and secrets: Very little change, and all of my new picks are starters.

3DS/WiiU
Starter::4mario::4bowser::4peach:Toad:4bowserjr::4dk::4diddy:Dixie:4link::zeldamelee::4tlink::4samus::4yoshi::4kirby::4metaknight::4dedede::4fox::4pikachu::4charizard::4lucario::4greninja::4ness::4falcon::4wario2::4marth::4myfriends::popo::4pit::4palutena::4olimar::4villager::4megaman::4wiifit::4littlemac::4pacman::4shulk::4mii:(:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf: for WIIU version)
Secret::4falco::4gaw::4rob::rosalina::4duckhunt::ultdaisy:*:ultchrom:*:ultpichu:* (:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf:for 3DS version)
DLC::4lucas::ultkrool::ultridley::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta::ultinkling:
*=clone
Since I cut :4sheik::4zss:, I have room for 2 more characters, which will go to Toad and Dixie in this case, but the latter is by herself because of the 3DS. As Toad is no longer DLC, I’ll decide to make :ultkrool:DLC since he was a large request

Starters and Secret Choices are almost the same with the new base characters being starters.
Ultimate
Base Game::ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdoc:*:ultbowserjr::ultrosalina:Toad:ultdaisy::ultdk::ultdiddy:+Dixie:ultkrool:DK. Jr.*:ultlink::ultzelda::ultyounglink::ultganondorf:Impa:ultsamus::ultridley::ultdarksamus:*:ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:(Bandana) Waddle Dee:ultfox::ultfalco::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultmewtwo::ultpichu::ultcharizard::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultness::ultlucas::ultfalcon::ultwario::ultmarth::ultike::ultrobin::ultchrom:*:ulticeclimbers::ultpit::ultpalutena::ultolimar::ultalph:*:ultgnw::ultrob::ultsnake::ultsonic:Tails:ultvillager::ultisabelle:Tom Nook:ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk::ultmiifighters::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken:*:ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter:*Isaac, Chorus Kids, Bomberman, Lara
DLC: Waluigi :ultbyleth::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:(ARMS)
*=clone
As I cut :ultsheik::ultzss::ultivysaur::ultsquirtle:, I have room for 4 more unique fighters, which will go to a decloned :ultdaisy:, Tom Nook, Bomberman, and Lara

For fun I’ll do another one and break some of the rules this time, and I’ll project what the roster could have looked like if the Smash 64 cast was different.

64:
Starter: :mario64::fox64::dk64::samus64::link64::yoshi64::kirby64::pikachu64:
Secret: :luigi64::falcon64::bowsermelee::dedede:
Reorganized
:mario64::luigi64::bowsermelee::fox64::dk64::samus64:
:link64::yoshi64::kirby64::dedede::pikachu64::falcon64:

This roster series is mainly based off of what Smash could have looked like if the 64 cast was different. For this roster, I decided to remove the last characters (:jigglypuff64::ness64:) with the two with the most development (:bowsermelee::dedede:) and work from there.

Melee
Starter::mariomelee::bowsermelee::peachmelee::foxmelee::dkmelee::samusmelee::linkmelee::yoshimelee::kirbymelee::dedede::pikachumelee::nessmelee:
Secret::luigimelee::falcomelee:*:zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee::younglinkmelee:*:ganondorfmelee:*:mewtwomelee::falconmelee::warioc::marthmelee::icsmelee:
Reorganized:
:mariomelee::luigimelee::peachmelee::bowsermelee::dkmelee::yoshimelee::warioc:
:foxmelee::falcomelee::samusmelee::linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee:(:sheikmelee:):ganondorfmelee:
:kirbymelee::dedede::pikachumelee::mewtwomelee::nessmelee::falconmelee::marthmelee::icsmelee:
*=clone, and it should be noted that :ganondorfmelee: would be less of a clone, but not completely unique.

For this roster, I’m breaking the rule of adding 6 clones and deciding to add 3, one of which is more unique from the others (:ganondorfmelee:). I decided to cut :drmario::pichumelee::roymelee: as :drmario: could be replaced with :4alph: in the 3Ds/WiiU Roster. While it’s a cute joke character that made sense at the time, :pichumelee: was a last minute addition only brought back for Ultimate, and my explanation on :roymelee: was explained in the conservative roster above (I love the Elibe games, but I feel like he started the “oversaturation” that people complain about.
Just like the rosters above, I feel that :peachmelee::icsmelee::zeldamelee::marthmelee::mewtwomelee::warioc: should remain for their prominence/popularity/gimmicks. Since he wasn’t added in the 64 roster, I’d add :nessmelee: since Mr. Saturn Was around 12th on the Smash 2 poll, meaning that :nessmelee: probably would have scored decently on it. Since I liked the transformation gimmick, :sheikmelee: would be my last addition. While I’d like to add :jigglypuffmelee: and maintain the original cast, it seems like a character that wasn’t intended to be a mainstay since it was only brought back for fans in Melee and as a last minute add on in Brawl.

Brawl
Starter::mario2::bowser2::peach::fox::dk2::diddy:(Dixie tagteam):samus2:/:zerosuitsamus::link2::sheilda::yoshi2::kirby2::dedede::metaknight::pikachu2::lucario::ness2::warioc::ike::pit::olimar::4villager:
Secret::luigi2::falco::toonlink::ganondorf::mewtwopm::pt::falcon::lucas::marth::popo::gw::snake::sonic:
Reorganized:
:mario2::luigi2::bowser2::peach::dk2::diddy:(Dixie Tagteam):yoshi2::warioc:
:fox::falco::samus2:/:zerosuitsamus::link2::toonlink::sheilda::ganondorf::marth::ike:
:kirby2::dedede::metaknight::pikachu2::mewtwopm::pt::lucario::ness2::lucas:
:falcon::popo::pit::olimar::4villager::gw::sonic::snake:

For this roster, all 23 veterans should be brought back imo, giving me 14 additions. Because of longstanding popularity/prominence, :metaknight::diddy:(Dixie tagteam):pt: stay on the roster. For characters representing newer games, :lucario::lucas::ike::olimar::4villager: are added. Since I like 3rd parties and gimmicks/retros, I’ll keep :snake::sonic::zerosuitsamus::pit::gw:, giving me my complete roster. I’d like to add :rob:, but I want to add only one absurd pick per game, so he got cut

3DS/WiiU
Starter: :4mario::4luigi:(WiiU only):4bowser::4peach::rosalina:(WiiU only):4bowserjr::4fox::4dk::4diddy:(solo with Dixie alt):4samus::4zss::ultridley::4link::4tlink::zeldamelee::4sheik::4kirby::4dedede::4metaknight::ultfalcon::4pikachu::4mewtwo::4charizard:(With :pt: In background):4lucario::4greninja::4ness::4lucas:(WiiUonly):4marth::4myfriends::4robinm::4pit::4palutena::popo:(Solo with Nana alt)(WiiU only):4olimar::4villager::4gaw::4littlemac::4shulk:Chorus Kids:4sonic::4megaman::4pacman:
Secret::4luigi:(3DS Only):rosalina:(3DS only):4falco::4ganondorf::popo:(3DS only):4lucas:(3DS only):4gaw::4wiifit::4duckhunt::ultdaisy::ultchrom::4alph:
DLC::ultkrool:(Bandana) Waddle Dee Isaac :ultinkling::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta:
Reorganized:
:4mario::4luigi::4bowser::4peach::4bowserjr::rosalina::4dk::4diddy:(Solo with Dixie alt):4yoshi::4wario::4fox::4falco:
:4samus::4zss::ultridley::4link::4tlink::zeldamelee::4sheik::4ganondorf::4kirby::4dedede::4metaknight::ultfalcon:
:4pikachu::4mewtwo::4charizard:(With :pt: In background):4lucario::4greninja::4ness::4lucas::4marth::4myfriends::4robinm::4pit::4palutena:
:popo:(Solo with Nana alt):4olimar::4villager::4gaw::4littlemac::4shulk:Chorus Kids:4wiifit::4duckhunt::ultdaisy::ultchrom::4alph:
:4sonic::4megaman::4pacman::ultkrool:(Bandana) Waddle Dee Isaac :ultinkling::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta::4mii:
Because of 3DS limitations and Licensing issues, :pt: only has 1 pokemon, :snake: gets cut, and :popo: and :diddy:tagteam gets separated (Nana and Dixie are alts)
For the newcomers, all of the unique base 3DS/WiiU picks fit well with the roster: :4megaman::4pacman::4mii::4bowserjr: are prominent, :4littlemac: was a popular request, :4greninja::4robinm::4palutena::4shulk: represented newer games, :rosalina: has a fun gimmick, :4wiifit: was that game’s absurd pick, and :4duckhunt: was a good retro pick. Since I demoted Dixie, cut :snake:, and 2 of the pokemon, I need to cut one more fighter, so I can add a clone. I’ll only make :4mii:as one fighter, so I have 1 slot left, and I’m going with :ultridley: because of how much he was requested. For my clones, I picked :ultdaisy::ultchrom::4alph: as the former is a notable spinoff character while the latter two were planned.
For DLC I feel that all of the 3rd parties should stay for prominence/popularity. My remaining picks are either requested (:ultkrool:(Bandana) Waddle Dee Isaac) or promotional (:ultinkling:).

Ultimate:
Base Game: :ultmario::ultfox::ultdk::ultsamus:/:ultzss::ultlink::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultfalcon::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::ultpeach::ultness::ultzelda:/:ultsheik::ultmewtwo::ultwario::ultmarth::ulticeclimbers::ultfalco::ulttoonlink::ultganondorf::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultsnake::ultike::ultpokemontrainer::ultdiddy:(Dixie Tagteam):ultlucas::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultvillager::ultlucario::ultgnw::ultmegaman::ultlittlemac::ultgreninja::ultpalutena::ultpacman::ultrobin::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultridley::ultrosalina::ultwiifittrainer::ultduckhunt::ultdaisy:*:ultchrom:*:ultalph:*:ultmiifighters::ultkrool:(Bandana) Waddle Dee Isaac:ultinkling::ultryu::ultcloud::ultbayonetta:Toad Impa :ultincineroar::ultisabelle::ultrob::ultsimon::ultdarksamus:Metal Sonic:ultken::ultrichter:
DLC:Waluigi:ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultbyleth:Arms
Like the original Ultimate, all characters return, giving me 60 fighters since :ultsnake: and Dixie returned. Also :ulticeclimbers: are a pair again and transformations are back. My first additions that I will do are the echoes, which will be :ultdarksamus:Metal Sonic:ultken::ultrichter: since I feel like these make the most sense for the roster. Also, the three “unique” characters in Ultimate that I have not added yet are important to be added. Other newcomers would be Toad (prominent character), :ultrob:(surprise pick), and Impa (giving Zelda fans a rep). Since I do not think I can add 4 more unique fighters from :ultdoc::ultyounglink::ultpichu::ultroy:, the base roster will be cut by 4 slots.
The DLC will be the same as the conservative rosters, since the only DLC pick I’d remove is :ultpiranha: with Waluigi.

I feel like this was an interesting exercise, and I feel like Sakurai overall does a good job picking characters, and I am disappointed that I had to remove :ultjigglypuff: since I find it to be an interesting fun character.

This time, I’ll do 2 with only 21 fighters in Melee

1st version

64
starter: :mario64::dk64::link64::samus64::yoshi64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64:
secret: :luigi64::jigglypuff64::ness64::falcon64:

This roster was perfect at the time.

Melee
Starter::mariomelee::bowsermelee::dkmelee::linkmelee::samusmelee::yoshimelee::kirbymelee::foxmelee::pikachumelee::nessmelee::falconmelee::warioc:
Secret::luigimelee::peachmelee::zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee::jigglypuffmelee::mewtwomelee::icsmelee::marthmelee::ganondorfmelee:
*=clone
This roster is the just the conservative roster with only the unique fighters + :ganondorfmelee:
For starter and secret characters, :jigglypuffmelee: and :peachmelee: are secret fighters, so there‘s a couple newcomers as default fighters and diverse representation of franchises.

Brawl
Starter::mario2::bowser2::peach::dk2::diddy::link2::sheilda::samus2:/:zerosuitsamus::yoshi2::kirby2::metaknight::dedede::fox::pikachu2::pt:(:ivysaur::charizard::squirtle:):ness2::warioc::ike::popo::pit::olimar:
Secret: :luigi2::ganondorf::toonlink::falco::jigglypuff::4mewtwo::lucario::lucas::falcon::marth::gw::rob::snake::sonic:

Since only clones were cut into Brawl in my conservative roster, this roster will not have any change.

3DS/WiiU
Starter::4mario::4bowser::4peach::4bowserjr::4dk::4diddy::4link::zeldamelee::4sheik::4tlink::4samus::4zss::4yoshi::4kirby::4metaknight::4dedede::4fox::4pikachu::4charizard::4lucario::4greninja::4ness::4falcon::4wario2::4marth::4myfriends::popo::4pit::4palutena::4olimar::4villager::4megaman::4wiifit::4littlemac::4pacman::4shulk::4mii:(:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf: for WIIU version)
Secret::4falco::4gaw::4rob::rosalina::4duckhunt::ultdaisy:*:ultchrom:*:4alph:* (:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf:for 3DS version)
DLC::4lucas:Toad:ultridley::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta::ultinkling:
*=clone
As :ultpichu: did not make it into Melee, I’ll just replace it with :4alph:. Also, everyone else will remain.

Ultimate
Base Game::ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina:Toad:ultdaisy:*:ultdk::ultdiddy:Dixie:ultkrool::ultlink::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultyounglink::ultganondorf:Impa:ultsamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultdarksamus:*:ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:(Bandana) Waddle Dee:ultfox::ultfalco::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultmewtwo::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultness::ultlucas::ultfalcon::ultwario::ultmarth::ultike::ultrobin::ultchrom:*:ulticeclimbers::ultpit::ultpalutena::ultolimar::ultalph:*:ultgnw::ultrob::ultsnake::ultsonic:Tails Metal Sonic*:ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultmegaman::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk::ultmiifighters::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken:*:ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter:*Isaac Chorus Kids
DLC: Waluigi :ultbyleth::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:(ARMS)
*=echo
Since I cut :ultdoc: and :ultpichu:, I’ll just replace them with Metal Sonic as my echo.
Tbh: I’m fine with most of the DLC picks, but I’d replace :ultpiranha: with Waluigi since he’s highly requested even though I don’t like him.
Also, transformation gimmicks return in this game

2nd interesting alternative

64
starter: :mario64::dk64::link64::samus64::yoshi64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64:
secret: :luigi64::jigglypuff64::ness64::falcon64:

This roster was perfect at the time.

Melee
Starter::mariomelee::bowsermelee::dkmelee::linkmelee::samusmelee::yoshimelee::kirbymelee::foxmelee::pikachumelee::nessmelee::falconmelee::warioc:
Secret::luigimelee::peachmelee:Skull Kid:dedede::jigglypuffmelee::mewtwomelee::icsmelee::marthmelee::ganondorfmelee:
*=clone
For this roster, I’m thinking of a way to change the LoZ represetnation overall. The first change I’ll do is to cut :sheikmelee: for Skull Kid, so I can add one offs for the series. As I cut :sheikmelee:, :zeldamelee: loses her unique gimmick, so I‘m thinking of replacing her with :dedede: for this game.
Brawl
Starter::mario2::bowser2::peach::dk2::diddy::link2::toonlink:Midna:samus2:/:zerosuitsamus::yoshi2::kirby2::metaknight::dedede::fox::pikachu2::pt:(:ivysaur::charizard::squirtle:):ness2::warioc::ike::popo::pit::olimar:
Secret: :luigi2::ganondorf:Skull Kid:falco::jigglypuff::4mewtwo::lucario::lucas::falcon::marth::gw::rob::snake::sonic:

For this roster, I’m replacing :sheilda: with Skull Kid and Midna, so LoZ can have various fighters although it’s at the price of :zeldamelee: being delayed till much later.

3DS/WiiU
Starter::4mario::4bowser::4peach::4bowserjr::4dk::4diddy::4link::zeldamelee:Midna:4tlink:Skull Kid:4samus::4zss::4yoshi::4kirby::4metaknight::4dedede::4fox::4pikachu::4charizard::4greninja::4ness::4falcon::4wario2::4marth::4myfriends::popo::4pit::4palutena::4olimar::4villager::4megaman::4wiifit::4littlemac::4pacman::4shulk::4mii:(:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf: for WIIU version)
Secret::4falco::4gaw::4rob::rosalina::4duckhunt::ultdaisy:*:ultchrom:*:4alph:* (:4luigi::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4ganondorf:for 3DS version)
DLC::4lucas::4lucario::ultridley::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta::ultinkling:
*=clone
Since I want to add :zeldamelee: into this game, I’ll just replace Toad since he feels the most expendable, and I’ll make :4lucario: DLC

Ultimate
Base Game::ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina:Toad:ultdaisy:*:ultdk::ultdiddy:Dixie:ultkrool::ultlink::ultzelda:Midna:ultyounglink::ultganondorf:Skull Kid:ultsamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultdarksamus:*:ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:(Bandana) Waddle Dee:ultfox::ultfalco::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultmewtwo::ultpokemontrainer:(:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:):ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultness::ultlucas::ultfalcon::ultwario::ultmarth::ultike::ultrobin::ultchrom:*:ulticeclimbers::ultpit::ultpalutena::ultolimar::ultalph:*:ultgnw::ultrob::ultsnake::ultsonic:Tails Metal Sonic*:ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultmegaman::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk::ultmiifighters::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken:*:ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter:*Isaac Chorus Kids
DLC: Waluigi :ultbyleth::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:(ARMS)
*=echo
I just replaced :ultsheik: and Impa with Skull Kid and Midna, so I can have popular one offs without them being added during a weird time
Also, transformation gimmicks return in this game
 
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I’m gonna bump this thread, and my thoughts have changed a month after, and I’ll give myself a few stricter rules:
Cut the same number as the number of cuts in Brawl and 3DS/WiiU
3 clones in 3DS/WiiU
7 echoes in Ultimate


64:
:mario64::dk64::link64::samus64::yoshi64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64::luigi64::jigglypuff64::ness64::falcon64:

Melee:
:mariomelee::luigimelee::bowsermelee::peachmelee::yoshimelee::dkmelee:DK Jr.:falconmelee::ganondorfmelee:
:kirbymelee:Gooey:samusmelee::pikachumelee::pichumelee::jigglypuffmelee::mewtwomelee::linkmelee:(:zeldamelee::sheikmelee:)
:nessmelee::icsmelee::gawmelee::marthmelee::roymelee:

Brawl:
:mario2::dk2::link2::samus2::kirby2::fox::pikachu2::ness2::gw:
:luigi2::diddy::sheilda::popo::metaknight::wolf::jigglypuff::lucas::snake:
:peach::yoshi2::ganondorf::pit::dedede::falcon::pt:(Totidile, Grovyle, :charizard:):roypm::sonic:
:bowser2::warioc::toonlink::rob::olimar::lucario::mewtwopm::ike:

3DS/WiiU:
:4mario::4luigi::4peach::rosalina::4bowser::4bowserjr::4dk::4diddy::4yoshi::4wario2::4gaw::4littlemac:
:4link::4zelda::4sheik::4ganondorf::4samus::4zss::4kirby::4metaknight::4dedede::4fox::wolf::4ness:
:4pikachu::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo:Grovyle:4lucario::4greninja::4falcon::4feroy::4myfriends::4robinm::4rob::4wiifit:
:4pit::4palutena::4olimar::4villager::4shulk::4duckhunt::ultpichu::4darkpit::4alph::4sonic::4megaman::4pacman:

:4marth::4lucas::4tlink::4cloud::4ryu::ultinkling::4bayonetta::4miibrawl::4miigun::4miisword:

Ultimate:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultjigglypuff::ultness::ultfalcon:
:ultbowser::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ulticeclimbers::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultmewtwo::ultmarth::ultgnw:DK. Jr :ultganondorf:Gooey:ultfalco:
:ultpichu::ultroy::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultzss::ultwario::ultsnake::ultike::ultpokemontrainer:(Totidile, Grovyle, :ultcharizard:):ultdiddy::ultlucas::ultsonic:
Metal Sonic:ultkingdedede::ultolimar::ultalph::ultlucario::ultrob::ulttoonlink::ultwolf::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultrosalina::ultlittlemac:
:ultgreninja::ultpalutena::ultpacman::ultrobin::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt::ultcloud::ultryu::ultken::ultinkling::ultbayonetta:Dixie
:ultridley::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultkrool::ultisabelle::ultincineroar:(:ultpiranha::ultjoker::ulthero2::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultbyleth:ARMS)
:ultbrawler::ultgunner::ultswordfighter:



Smash 64 is the same since I like it as is

Melee: the unique ones were good choices imo. For the clones, I decided to add Gooey and DK. Jr. since I don‘t want 3 Links in Ultimate and I feel like :drmario: was filler.

Brawl: for my cuts, I feel like Gooey, DK Jr. and:pichumelee: were obvious cuts, but I was unsure between :falco: and :roypm:until I tried to figure which unique fighter to cut. I went with :marth:as the unique fighter to cut since :bowser2::peach::sheilda::mewtwopm: were too important to cut, I love the :popo: gimmick, and it would be weird to cut :gw: if I’m adding more retros anyway. Also, :marth: technically was the only once not in a game released in the West outside of SSB then. For newcomers, I‘d give the Pokemon trainer pokemon for gens 2 and 3. I was thinking of cutting :lucas::wolf: for Villager and Dixie, but cutting fighters for the 3DS/WiiU roster would‘ve been harder.
For 3DS/WiiU, I must cut 6 Brawl fighters, which would be Totidile, :charizard:, and unfortunately :popo: for 3DS limitations, :snake: for copyright issues, and :lucas::toonlink: for being the most expendable imo besides :wolf:. I went with :ultpichu: as the clone to bring back since it represents gen 2. From the unique base game newcomers, all of them were good choices imo even if :4wiifit: seemed weird. For the clones, I replaced :4lucina: with :4alph: to limit FE representation. Also, Toad(ette) would be credited with :4peach: since I feel that he should have some recognition. The DLC vets would be :4marth::4lucas::4tlink:, and the newcomers would be :4cloud::4ryu::ultinkling::4bayonetta:, and I went with :ultinkling: for being a less controversial shill fighter.
For Ultimate, I’d just let Dixie replace :ultinkling: and :ultchrom: with Metal Sonic as the last echo.
 
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