Yoshi's imperfect shield

[muddykips]

there's not much point in reducing your hurtbox by entering shield; it's a negligible difference. even if you manage to evade a move by shrinking down into your shield, you will still have to deal with the entire 18 frames of shield animation (assuming you didn't manage to get a perfect shield). if you want to move your hurtbox out of the way, just charge an fsmash.

also, i hadn't considered this before, but having a smaller shield gives us less frame advantage post-shield, too. attacks hit us 1-3 frames later than they would against other shields, meaning that when the opponent hits us, they'll be further into their attack animation than usual; in other words, when they hit our shield, they'll be closer to recovering from their attack while we're still locked in shield.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

So if Yoshi's perfect shield is pretty much useless, then I'm guessing that he wouldn't be affected all that much by the Imperfect Shield bonus effect.

 

[Delta-cod]

So if Yoshi's perfect shield is pretty much useless, then I'm guessing that he wouldn't be affected all that much by the Imperfect Shield bonus effect.

The what now?

 

[Pixel_]

The what now?

Pretty sure it's custom equipment, but idk what it does.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The what now?

Pretty sure it's custom equipment, but idk what it does.

Imperfect Shield is a negative bonus effect that prevents your fighter from performing a Perfect Shield, no matter how good your timing is.

 

[muddykips]

if equipment is ever legalized, then yeah, yoshi could use that equipment with almost no change to his gameplay.

though, it's not really an advantage if it's due to us starting at a disadvantage. it's more like a consolation prize...

 

[Masonomace]

I was notified by Pixel_ to post a finding I recently figured out about Yoshi's Egg Shield, & by recent I mean today lol. Here's my post & thought that us both would think it would fit in your thread muddykips :

So uhh, I was just doing frame skipping for Yoshi's egg shield & realized that it's not the same universally with every character.

Egg Shield
Frame 1-3 is the power shield window like everyone's (Yet this is where it starts getting a bit different).
Frame 4-9 is the locked into shield window [9 frames minimum]
Frame 10-16 is the shield drop lag [7 frames minimum]
Frame 17 is the first actionable frame

 

[DJlive]

Wait, that means we can do oos options 2 frames faster. That's a lot.

 

[Masonomace]

Wait, that means we can do oos options 2 frames faster. That's a lot.

Idk about this. The thing with most characters is that they can at least input a short or full hop during the shield drop lag window [12-18], but Yoshi cannot initiate a short or full hop during his shield drop lag window [10-16]. So it varies I guess?

 

[muddykips]

wait, so... all i can really make of this is that we can drop shield 2 frames faster, but only if nothing hits our shield in the first place?

if that 2 frame subtraction were applied to shield drop, then that would be amazing, but there doesn't seem to be any real purpose in having a shield lock duration that lasts 2 frames less. it might have had a purpose before the big shield patch, since shieldstun didn't affect shieldlock frames, but now that shieldstun overlaps with shieldlock, it doesn't really do anything anymore.

unless the patch team notices this and decides to make it relevant again? give us 2 frames less shield drop on hit confirm plsplx

 

[Sinister Slush]

Month bump but lol people are right when they say japanese/koreans practice more and are ahead of the game.

 

[Pixel_]

wait, so... all i can really make of this is that we can drop shield 2 frames faster, but only if nothing hits our shield in the first place?

if that 2 frame subtraction were applied to shield drop, then that would be amazing, but there doesn't seem to be any real purpose in having a shield lock duration that lasts 2 frames less. it might have had a purpose before the big shield patch, since shieldstun didn't affect shieldlock frames, but now that shieldstun overlaps with shieldlock, it doesn't really do anything anymore.

unless the patch team notices this and decides to make it relevant again? give us 2 frames less shield drop on hit confirm plsplx

Actually I think Kurogane Hammer said this wasn't true on his twitter, I might have to get a link

Month bump but lol people are right when they say japanese/koreans practice more and are ahead of the game.

I'm assuming you're talking about the consistent perfect shields and not the magnificent use of backward crawls? Anyway I hope some really good Yoshis will help advance the meta, even if they're overseas

 

[Sinister Slush]

No, mostly that a page back I think someone suggested we walk backwards from people when fighting to shield better.

 

[DJlive]

I personally tweeted KH and from my understanding, he agrees that it is harder to perfect shield

 

[Masonomace]

Yoshi's Egg Shield is actually the smallest shield size LOL

 

[Sinister Slush]

Well that's fascinating to know.
It's both a good and bad thing, moves missing but sometimes we want to shield cause you get rewarded too much for shielding a move in this game and can punish after the hit really hard.

 

[Masonomace]

I guess that's a trade-off with how Yoshi isn't locked in Egg Shield as long as the majority of the cast, but I feel mixed about it. Idk what to say, exactly.

 

[Goldenstein64]

JUST TO MAKE SURE we're not missing anything, Yoshi's body does not account for the ps, correct?

 

[muddykips]

I'd considered that, but couldn't find any way to prove/disprove it; it's hard to tell because Yoshi's body immediately reels back in preparation for entering egg, so even if his body had shieldlike properties, the difference would be negligible.

My best guess is that his body becomes intangible. I don't recall a character's body ever being able to replicate shield.