WTF? - Ledge get up to counter. Is this Jank?

BoGardFurY

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#1
Hello everyone,

I have a simple question, what is going on here? https://youtu.be/P9ZmwnFjNhQ?t=266

I recorded the replay, timestamped it so you don't have to sit through it. I'm just curious, wtf is going on here? I have some idea about being invincible from get up, but it looks like the KKR counter comes out at like 1-2 frames? Is that just how fast that move is? Any input or thoughts about this would be helpful. Thanks!
 

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#2
Hello everyone,

I have a simple question, what is going on here? https://youtu.be/P9ZmwnFjNhQ?t=266

I recorded the replay, timestamped it so you don't have to sit through it. I'm just curious, wtf is going on here? I have some idea about being invincible from get up, but it looks like the KKR counter comes out at like 1-2 frames? Is that just how fast that move is? Any input or thoughts about this would be helpful. Thanks!
Most counters come out quickly but have a long time before the first active frame after, yeah.

Also, keep in mind Ultimate's buffer system allows you to press and hold a move and it'll come out as soon as it's possible, meaning the KKR could've pressed left to get up, then immediately held down+B, since he saw the charge was happening (and Aether doesn't have the fastest startup, either).
 

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#3
Gut Check off the ledge is a good mixup tool and is deceptively fast. Invulnerability frames begin on Frame 4 and end on 15, before Counter frames come out on Frames 5 - 28.

The issue is that the endlag is half a second after this, thus leaving you super vulnerable.
 
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